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The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

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e72a47 No.643699

TRUMP: GUN RIGHTS ORIGINATE FROM GOD, NOT GOVERNMENT

President Donald Trump took the podium at the NRA convention on May 4 amid massive applause, thanked NRA leadership and the “American patriots of the NRA,” then launched into a speech reaffirming that our natural rights originate in God.

http://archive.today/2018.05.04-221936/http://www.breitbart.com/2nd-amendment/2018/05/04/president-trump-nra-convention/

Trump said, “The people of his hall have never taken our freedom for granted, ever, and you’ve never stopped fighting for our constitution.” He talked of NRA members’ commitment to fight for “our sacred rights, given to us by God.” He said, “Your second amendment rights … will never, ever be under siege as long as I am president. … We believe that our liberty is a gift from our Creator, that no government can ever take it away.” Trump stressed his love for country, saying, “We have pride in history, and respect for our heritage. We put our hand on hearts for the Pledge of Allegiance and we all proudly stand for the National Anthem.” The crowd broke into chants of “USA!, USA!, USA!” Trump’s words echoed the sentiment of our third President of the United States, Thomas Jefferson. It was Jefferson who penned the Declaration of Independence, writing, “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights.”

b4d4f2 No.643702

>>643699 (checked)

He aint wrong!


ebf63e No.643704

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<no bible quotes

<literally just what a man thinks

Was getting caught as a non-christian part of your plan?

he could have atleast quoted luke 22:36 like the artificial intelligence recomended in another thread


4ff9d8 No.643707

>>643704

It's self-evident as he said, you don't even need to appeal to the specifics of the Bible, you can be a deist as many of the founders were and still arrive at the conclusion that all men are endowed with the right to bear arms. Of course the Bible certainly doesn't contradict that and is in agreement with it.


e671a4 No.643709

>>643704

The entire concept of natural rights laid out in the constitution is predicated on the existence of a divine creator. Now, as we've seen, this isn't a sufficient defense against atheism but that's a separate issue.


4c4446 No.643822

I'm not anti-Trump by any means but the man is obviously not a devout Christian. Pandering of this nature makes it all the more obvious. He's doing amazing work on fighting abortion though so I'm not gonna complain.


021188 No.643824

AMEN


6950da No.643846

>>643704

The AI?


48caea No.643871

Who cares, he says one thing and doed thr complete opposite


a73aaf No.643916

>>643699

hes right but is everyone ignoring he directed the DOJ to try and ban bumpp stocks and his musings about raising purchasing age to 21 likely screwed over 18-20 year olds in florida?


ebf63e No.643917

>>643707

<It's self-evident as he said

That's evil as anything not of faith is sin romans 14:23. Things that seem obvious to some are not to others. But rather you should rely on what God says via discernment hebrews 4:12 instead of the "self-evident" knowledge of good and evil spoken against in genesis 2:17

>But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

>>643709

>The entire concept of natural rights

Natural rights are a man made concept which is not of faith, which is sin. Rather you should not use the "natural" earthly knowledge of good and evil, but discern as said in 1 corinthians 2:14

>But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Also hebrews 5:13-14

>For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.

>But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

>>643846

https://archive.fo/9FhZ4


39dbd1 No.643918

>>643871

This. People will use things like this to say "see he's not cucking! blackpillers btfo!!!", but then he'll go and sign anti-gun laws or give planned parenthood $50 million. The worst part is people keep falling for it.


e671a4 No.643919

>>643917

>Natural rights are a man made concept which is not of faith,

Yes I'm well aware. I'm not under any illusions that a document penned by freemasons is divinely inspired. I'm just explaining the legalistic assumption behind it and, subsequently, the US's body of law.


e208d2 No.643951

Trump used to party with folks in the entertainment industry back in the 80s and 90s, wtf do people expect of him? Hysterical masses have made an image of him being a horrible anti-liburrrl racist who hates lgbtbbqwtf and autists on imageboard see that and project traits on him that wasn't there kek. Autists on imageboards and around these circles are doing it with Taylor Swift to an extent, too. Get a winnie the pooh grip you morons. No one knows who you are. You suck. The only people you have kinship with are retarded, hideous morons who will never amount to nothing.


f28118 No.644000

>>643918

This is a bit disingenuous - he hasn't defunded planned parenthood but he's done a lot for pro-life movement. Do you honestly think Jeb! or el rato would have been any better?


df90fb No.644005

File: a4e1a357f0dc9df⋯.jpg (123.28 KB, 667x862, 667:862, Cheeki breeki.jpg)

Reminder that only progressives will have a problem with this.


92edbb No.644010

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>>643699

It's time we Christians arm ourselves to the teeth.


a73aaf No.644089

>>644010

>he isnt already

Also we should do well to flee into the mountains and remote places like oklahoma


cbef8c No.644102

>>643917

>Natural rights are a man made concept which is not of faith, which is sin.

<This is what people who get tricked into enlightenment notion of faith versus reason really believe

First, for we know that eternal law exist. Law is nothing else but a dictate of practical reason emanating from the ruler who governs a perfect community.

Now it is evident, granted that the world is ruled by Divine Providence, that the whole community of the universe is governed by Divine Reason. Wherefore the very Idea of the government of things in God the Ruler of the universe, has the nature of a law.

And since the Divine Reason's conception of things is not subject to time but is eternal, according to Proverbs 8:23, therefore it is that this kind of law must be called eternal.

Law, being a rule and measure, can be in a person in two ways: in one way, as in him that rules and measures; in another way, as in that which is ruled and measured, since a thing is ruled and measured, in so far as it partakes of the rule or measure.

Wherefore, since all things subject to Divine providence are ruled and measured by the eternal law, as was stated above it is evident that all things partake somewhat of the eternal law, in so far as, namely, from its being imprinted on them, they derive their respective inclinations to their proper acts and ends.

Now among all others, the rational creature is subject to Divine providence in the most excellent way, in so far as it partakes of a share of providence, by being provident both for itself and for others.

Wherefore it has a share of the Eternal Reason, whereby it has a natural inclination to its proper act and end: and this participation of the eternal law in the rational creature is called the natural law.

Hence the Psalmist after saying (Psalm 4:6): "Offer up the sacrifice of justice," as though someone asked what the works of justice are, adds: "Many say, Who showeth us good things?" in answer to which question he says: "The light of Thy countenance, O Lord, is signed upon us": thus implying that the light of natural reason, whereby we discern what is good and what is evil, which is the function of the natural law, is nothing else than an imprint on us of the Divine light.

It is therefore evident that the natural law is nothing else than the rational creature's participation of the eternal law.

Anything that cannot be described as such cannot be said to be natural law.

And if you still buy into faith versus reason masonic crap then listen to someone who does not: "When the Gentiles, who have not the law, do by nature those things that are of the law,"


ebf63e No.644241

>>644102

It's like your whole post was meant just to rustle my jimmies.

<people who get tricked into the enlightenment notion

That would not be me. Do you even know that enlightenment is just a synonym for reason?

>therefore it is that this kind of law must be called eternal.

The law is spiritual romans 7:14 and there are two laws romans 7:25

>I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

<they derive their respective inclinations to their proper acts and ends.

Two laws, to proper acts and their ends. The law of sin is this: romans 6:23

>For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

The law of God is this: faith in Jesus Christ and salvation romans 3:26-27

>To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

>Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

<And since the Divine Reason's

Literally what? How is that biblical in any shape way or form?

>Now among all others, the rational creature

Full stop, the commandments of God in the Bible are not rational. Take for example spitting on your eyes to heal you mark 8:23. Drinking wine for your often infirmities 1 timothy 5:23. He that seeks to save his life shall lose it matthew 16:25.

<And if you still buy into faith versus reason masonic crap

>faith

>reason/enlightenment/masonic crap

Pick one.


afdca5 No.644247

>>644010

Thank heavens there's a red circle, otherwise, I wouldn't have seen this lady! /s


aab88d No.644275

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>>644102

quality post

>>644241

>the commandments of God are not rational

>implying God is irrational

>implying God is not also the God of Reason

exoteric letter-of-the-law legalist pleb spotted


6f5ceb No.644284

>>644241

>the commandments of God in the Bible are not rational

This is heresy on so many levels


cbef8c No.644339

>>644241

>That would not be me.

It is you. Faith versus reason is crap that Voltaire and other idiots from eighteenth century made up to root out Church from Europe.

> Do you even know that enlightenment is just a synonym for reason?

No. Englithmeent is synonym for "faith versus reason" and "reason without faith" and "reason above all". Read a book.

If you want to find synonym for reason use one that Paul used: law of mind (Rom. 7:23)

>The law is spiritual romans 7:14

You do know that those statements are not contradictory, right?

>and there are two laws romans 7:25

And that this statement do speak about eternal law (from which natural law flows) and "law of sin" that is concupiscence? To continue:

The law, as to its essence, resides in him that rules and measures; but, by way of participation, in that which is ruled and measured; so that every inclination or ordination which may be found in things subject to the law, is called a law by participation.

Now those who are subject to a law may receive a twofold inclination from the lawgiver.

First, in so far as he directly inclines his subjects to something; sometimes indeed different subjects to different acts; in this way we may say that there is a military law and a mercantile law.

Secondly, indirectly; thus by the very fact that a lawgiver deprives a subject of some dignity, the latter passes into another order, so as to be under another law, as it were: thus if a soldier be turned out of the army, he becomes a subject of rural or of mercantile legislation.

Accordingly under the Divine Lawgiver various creatures have various natural inclinations, so that what is, as it were, a law for one, is against the law for another: thus I might say that fierceness is, in a way, the law of a dog, but against the law of a sheep or another meek animal. And so the law of man, which, by the Divine ordinance, is allotted to him, according to his proper natural condition, is that he should act in accordance with reason: and this law was so effective in the primitive state, that nothing either beside or against reason could take man unawares.

But when man turned his back on God, he fell under the influence of his sensual impulses: in fact this happens to each one individually, the more he deviates from the path of reason, so that, after a fashion, he is likened to the beasts that are led by the impulse of sensuality, according to Psalm 48:21: "Man, when he was in honor, did not understand: he hath been compared to senseless beasts, and made like to them."

So, then, this very inclination of sensuality which is called the "fomes," in other animals has simply the nature of a law (yet only in so far as a law may be said to be in such things), by reason of a direct inclination.

But in man, it has not the nature of law in this way, rather is it a deviation from the law of reason.

But since, by the just sentence of God, man is destitute of original justice, and his reason bereft of its vigor, this impulse of sensuality, whereby he is led, in so far as it is a penalty following from the Divine law depriving man of his proper dignity, has the nature of a law.


cbef8c No.644340

>>644339

>Two laws, to proper acts and their ends. The law of sin is this: romans 6:23

Did you read what you wrote? Or did you read what I wrote in the first place? Let us see:

<Wherefore, since all things subject to Divine providence are ruled and measured by the eternal law, as was stated above it is evident that all things partake somewhat of the eternal law, in so far as, namely, from its being imprinted on them, they derive their respective inclinations to their proper acts and ends.

"Acts" and "ends" are not two laws. It cannot be if you acutally read the text. "Acts and ends" are things that ALL things have due the very fact that they are subject of Divine providence. By "acts" we understand things that things do. By "ends" why, for what purpose they do those things.

Those two notions cannot be taken separated into two different law. For you basically say there is different law of eating and different law of nourishment. Moreover, you say that ethier nourishment or eating is sin. Morover you say that God created sin in his very providence.

>Literally what? How is that biblical in any shape way or form?

You know what Logos mean, do you? (hint: "word" while good, it's not adequate)

>Full stop, the commandments of God in the Bible are not rational.

You winnie the pooh what. ALL that God commands is rational. "God worketh all things according to the counsel of His will" and his Wisdom "reacheth therefore from end to end mightily, and ordereth all things sweetly." God "hast ordered all things in measure, and number, and weight."

>Take for example spitting on your eyes to heal you mark 8:23.

And since when this is any percept of law? But even though it's not, it's rational action.

He spat indeed, and put His hand upon the blind man, because He wished to shew that wonderful are the effects of the Divine word added to action; for the hand is the symbol of working, but the spittle, of the word proceeding out of the mouth. Again He asked him whether he could see any thing, which He had not done in the case of any whom He had healed, thus shewing that by the weak faith of those who brought him, and of the blind man himself, his eyes could not altogether be opened.

Wherefore there follows: “And He looked up, and said, I see men as trees walking;” because he was still under the influence of unfaithfulness, he said that he saw men obscurely.

>Drinking wine for your often infirmities 1 timothy 5:23

Nor this is precept of law. It's advice. Good advice, wine is good for you stomach when you eat. Do you think that mediterranean diet use wine because they are drunktards or it just taste good with feta and olives?

>He that seeks to save his life shall lose it matthew 16:25.

Hurray, you actually got the law this time. But it still rational - you can lost your salvation (life eternal) if you choose your earthly life over Christ. You think that martyrs were all irrational masochist. No, they fallowed this rational law.

>Pick one.

<He still buys into masonic crap of faith versus reason

<He does not know about fides et ratio

We will end here, tigger.


cbef8c No.644341

>>644340

Also, I love new word filters.


db9f07 No.652060

>>643704

At least according to America, rights are derived from God, not some earthly power.

>…they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.


f37ea4 No.652206

In the sense of Natural Rights of which all men are endowed with, yes, God did "give" us the right to bear arms. The words he said have a different meaning to them than what you are thinking if you are the type trying to say that this is heresy or a lie.


6dd996 No.652215

>>644089

Hey, that's where I live


4926b3 No.652222

>>643699

Maybe he thinks they come from his god.


d06340 No.652224

>>652060

until they pull the 'ol switcheroo

>there is no God akshully

>but u got human rights, and we are human rights activists!

>we're also all secular jews :)))


bd46d8 No.652372

>>652224

Which has been happening for a long time.

A person at church the other day said about how they read the bible in school as a part of normal morning routine.


cef8c3 No.652689

>>643699

Silly statist, no rights come from Government, all rights (or really just one, since there's only one) comes from God.




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