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What is the purpose of this thread? Why did you make it?

>>641913

Someone never read the OT or understands what love is.

Love isn't sitting idly by while the ones you love hurt themselves. Love is telling them that they're winnie the pooh retarded and taking away their XBox until they change.

>>641913

Don't call trangender people mentally ill if you believe your parents love you unconditionally, but under certain conditions.

Next level.

>>641913

God loves us unconditionally. It's ourselves that distance us from Him and His love.

Furthermore transgender people (and all those "genderfluid" something something people) ARE mentally ill. It has been proven. There's a name for it. Gender dysphoria, and that's the very foundation of all of it - and it is, surprise surprise, a mental illness.

Saged for being a poor bait that nonetheless needed clarification.

>>641913

I never respond to people like this, they just deliberately misunderstand and strawman our faith. Ignore it and move on.

Don't throw pearls before swine.

It's just a non sequitur.

>God loves you so it's wrong to point out someone is mentally ill

<God loves you so it's wrong to point out someone has cancer

???

Also

>refraining from sin isn't a "certain condition"

lel

>>641913

Unconditional love is unconditional election.

>>641920

This. We've "raised" an entire generation that doesn't understand how someone could love you unconditionally and yet not support you unconditionally. The concept of a parent teaching their child discipline, which is the metaphor God almost always uses for His relationship with us, is somehow alien to these people despite the fact that it's a human universal.

>>641994

I say we winnie the pooh stop using the word love altogether.

The definition of love has changed, which makes it the greatest winnie the pooh translation mistake of all Christianity and it is in the winnie the pooh central debate about God, that error does not come from different languages in region, but in time.

The question is, what word would be best suited for the action of liking someone that you cherish good aspects and punish bad ones because you care? Such as a stern father.

>>642019

I agree that the English word for 'love' is inferior to the greek versions of love, but what would you suggest we say instead?

No. [ - ]

>>641913

How about if I just call them perverts? That ok?

hell is an act of love, normies wouldn't understand

*blocks your path*

>>642028

I don't know, I've searched for greek, aramaic and latin words for love and nothings fits.

I simply don't know, I though there would be a better word for tough love but there isn't.

God tough-loves us sounds silly, but it's still better than the cummies version of the modern English. I think I'll personally stick to it.

>>641913

We don't believe that he lives in the clouds, so we are entitled to call them mentally ill.

There are non religious people who know trannies are mentally ill so what is he doing?

>>642226

>so what is he doing?

Just being a (((progressive modernist))), don't be such a bible literalist, BIGOT!

If transgenderism isn't a mental illness does that mean my tax dollars can stop paying for their surgeries?

>>642225

How about this word I (probably) made up using German:

schwerliebe

Roughly translating to "difficult love", in regards how difficult it is to love someone sometimes, espically when you need to correct them.

>>641913

As a father, you love your children with all your heart, but if they mess up and do wrong, they have to get some punishment. You never stop loving them as your children. How hard is that to understand?

>>642259

I blame the corrupt judical system that allows "no fault divorce" on top of the moral decay (((Hollywood and the media))) promotes on a daily for the approx. 50% divorce rate here in America. Thus leading to children not knowing what love really is as they are stuck in single mother households.

As a trans person, what do you think I should do then?

No church apart from extreme liberal ones that accept even atheists and promote Islam would welcome me or even talk to me as a human.

Most traditional religious people, and people on sites like this won't ever give me real advice or talk with me, but rather just call me a freak and tell me to kill myself.

Even if I detransitioned I'd be infertile, have to have chest surgery to get rid of my boobs, and would have to fight to repress my self hatred and feelings of wrongness, and live in chastity.

It seems like there is no solution, there's only hell and death, no salvation for those born like me, I wouldn't wish gender dysphoria on anyone and can't understand where could have gone wrong to end up with this disease.

>>642414

How did you find out about it?

Do you really really feel the need to live as the sex you feel like you really belong to?

>>642416

Ever since puberty began there has been an intense disgust, sickness, and feeling wrong at the deepest level of my mind with my male anatomy and masculine aspects of my appearance

Wasn't until I was about 15 or 16 I knew what trans was, I tried alcohol, cannabis, sex, then repressing church, "manning up", nothing worked to stop the feelings.

Reached the point when I was about 18 or 19 where I was either going to try transitioning or try killing myself.

I've since tried reconciling my condition with religion, tried contemplating how it would go and if I could mentally cope if I tried detransitioning now.

I do feel comfortable in my own skin now, but also feel a deep sense of being spiritually unsettled, wrong and unfulfilled unlike I did before transition.

>>642418

Im sorry for drilling you with questions but as a heterosexual believer Im interested in people like you because I could never really understand your problems but see that they can be really hard to live with.

Did your feelings for it go back again or are they still as strong as before the transition? Do you still want to be a woman?

>>642424

Really it depends on how well I "pass" as being female as to how comfortable I feel with my own body. It's not about being pretty or vanity, I feel much more at ease with my appearance as an ugly female than a handsome man.

Although regardless of my appearance knowing how I'm living feels like I'm doing something wrong at a deeper moral or spiritual level, which I didn't feel before transitioning.

Do I want to be a woman? I'd say I want to have a female physical appearance, and to be accepted socially as and treated as female, because that's what eases the dysphoria.

If there was a magic pill that made me a biological woman or got rid of my dysphoria so I could live as a man and feel comfortable in my skin, I'd take it.

>>641913

>man in the clouds

Ah, the strawmen.

If my sin came out as transgender I would kill him.

>>642426

The last point is completely understandable.

In the end if you see it as a disease, a good Christian will treat you like other people with other diseases too.

It is not your fault and you have to live with it until you find a cure some way. Wish you best luck.

>>642430

Pretty good typo on that one. I bet your sin is gay.

>>642431

Your apathetic tolerance to someone that the Bible declares is an abomination deeply disturbs me. Are you catholic by chance?

>>642426

You need to start practicing masculine activities, eating rawonions (decreases estrogen by 60%), avoiding tap water, and for God's sake stop watching porn. No seriously STOP WATCHING PORN. Stop watching anime. Go outside and find a hobby. Read the Bible. You or your family have brought this sinfulness upon yourself through willful sinning, do not lie to me and tell me that is not the truth. You should also seek baptism and see yourself evaluated by a priest for a presence of unclean spirits within you.

winnie the pooh these other "Christians" here that want to offer you, a mentally ill person, tolerance and understanding. You need to change yourself or suffer eternal hellfire, because I KNOW God will not tolerate such abominations in his congregation.

Leviticus 20:13

"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."

Romans 1:24-32

"Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet."

>>642225

I know this. But when you want to explain to the masses that agape is the "love of God", it still carries the "love" word and therefore, its current hedonist view.

We muat create a whole new set of sounds to represent the old concept of love that punishes.

Does anyone know if there's any language around the world that has a similar concept?

>>642418

>Ever since puberty began there has been an intense disgust, sickness, and feeling wrong at the deepest level of my mind with my male anatomy and masculine aspects of my appearance

This is a psychological issue, likely caused by neglectful or missing father figure. You are a male, and nothing can change that.

>>642414

Why do you think you would need to live in chastity?

>>641913

Don't call religion mentally ill if you believe a man with a penis that dresses as a female is female

>>642418

Dude, you are a psychotic travestite man. It's no surprise you feel spiritually unsettled when you become degenerate supreme. Of course you are doing something wrong you retard, you are a man pretending to be a woman. The magic pill is called "appreciation of virtue, and rejection of fetishism and degeneracy"

>>642414

Repent and learn to live with what you have. You are a man, and the sooner you accept that, the better off you will be. You're already sterile, and is celibacy so bad? It is better to enter heaven sans a pair of genitals than for your whole self to be cast into Hellfire.

Honestly, sex is overrated in the West, anyway. I mean, it's great, and I enjoy it with my wife, but I was living a perfectly happy life before ever having sex.

Repent and return to Christ's love. He can restore you in every way that really matters. He (Jehovah Rophe) is the cure to your sickness, but you cannot enjoy the cure so long as you embrace the disease.

>>>/leftypol/

um sweetie when did god say he loved you unconditionally?

>>642338

>that pic

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It IS worth pondering how any future hagiographies will get written from this generation when all our output is on /christian/ and /b/

This >>642259 is precisely my point. HOW exactly do people not get that?

>>641913

>Denying basic biology

>Not mentally ill.

I believe it's called gender dysphoria

>>642225

>philia is expressed variously as loyalty to friends (specifically, "brotherly love"), family, and community, and requires virtue, equality, and familiarity.

So who came up with using Philia to describe sexual kinks? Were they trying to undermine such a noble sentiment?

>>643483

I suspect it's the Greek's fault themselves for calling a city Φιλαδέλφεια (Philadelphia) in 189 BC. It's the weakest and most generalised of the four "love" words, so this was an easy transition, I think.

Aristotle and Plato used the word φῐλῐᾱ as a kind of adjective to say "a fondness for …"

Meanwhile, Agape (αγάπη), for example, is only a noun, its verb form being ἀγαπάω.

Some Ancient Greek Experts might know/explain better.