/christian/ - Christian Discussion and Fellowship

>>640344 (checked)

Though I do like where you are comming from, you also have to remember that if Christians don't find a spouse and procreate, the mooselimbs will outbreed us and enact Sharia Law. If we christians don't plant the seed for the next generation of Christians there won't be any Christians left to baptise all nations in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

We will LITERALLY fail to heed Jesus' command.

I was thinking of taking a vow of chastity, but I know:deep inside I am attracted to sickening things and not only to Our Lord. I want to experience pain and joy even if it's gonna consume me.

I look for both redemption and damnation here on Earth.

>>640359

Christians aren't born, they are graced with faith from the Most High. Though it's fine if people use this strategy of raising children for the faith to remain, I personally would rather be led by God to convert people. You can convert hundreds if you're good at evangelizing and apologetics, and those very Muslims you can convert into Christians (if God wants to call them home).

>>640377

I literally posted a massive quotation from Saint Paul.

>"But I want you to be free from concern. One who is unmarried is concerned about the things of the Lord, how he may please the Lord; but one who is married is concerned about the things of the world, how he may please his wife, and his interests are divided. The woman who is unmarried, and the virgin, is concerned about the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and spirit; but one who is married is concerned about the things of the world, how she may please her husband. This I say for your own benefit; not to put a restraint upon you, but to promote what is appropriate and to secure undistracted devotion to the Lord."

A wife is a good thing, and marriage is good, but celibacy is better. And we love God above all, why would we not give Him our best and undivided love? Marriage is for a tiny age (until your death in your short life that over time ends up mattering none), love of God has been forever.

>>640371

Take it as reparations to the Lord. God will give you pain and He will give you joy in that. Christianity is a brutal faith to follow. God will remove your burdens (those attractions) when it's time

>>640380

>Whoso findeth a wife findeth a good thing, and obtaineth favour of the LORD.

>Proverbs 18:22

Your rhetoric makes me think you would rather Christians dont make babies…makes me think you are trying to subvert good christians from the word of God.

>And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

>Genesis 1:28

Many are involuntarily anyways, the fornication meme is being blown out of proportion.

>>640359

>>640384

I think you are just being blithely selfish and unrealistic about where we are in time.

Luke 21:23 Woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

>>640384

I am not not in favor of Christians making babies, it's actually irrelevant to my life, world, and this thread. I was wondering why more people are not celibate, considering Paul (the source of the rhetoric, it's not rhetoric it's scripture) says it is better to be than not to be. Why aren't monasteries overflowing with people seeking the face of God? Why are there vocations lacking in places? Where are the celibate laity (as in those not even attempting and/or rejecting marriage)? Where are these people?

>>640403

Do you even read the Bible? He said the very same thing to Noah

>>640406

They don't use chans

>>640407

Did you?

>>640406

>I am not not in favor of Christians making babies

I had a feeling you weren't. You have revealed your true colors to me.

But it is relevant to this thread. Making babies, following God's commandments, and evangelizing aren't mutually exclusive.

>>640412

I can't believe people in this thread are so obsessed with sex that they post things like this.

sounds better and far more respectable than whining about how much the opposite sex doesn't like you

>>640344

I am, although I hope to marry and have kids otherwise Catholicism in my family dies with me

>I am not sure if you are denying that St. Paul wrote 1 Corinthians, or you did not look up the passage. Here are several versions of 1 Corinthians 7:32-35.

Alright some Bible, can't be to careful nowadays with people making stuff and taking Bible outta context and I noticed how many times Paul said "Not to restraint you or snare you"

>This is actually the most interesting thing in this thread, as I've heard it before. Is that the only reason why more Christians aren't celibate? Then the question is why are we all so lazy? Why not live the strenuous life for the Lord? Other than sin, there must be a reason for this

Probably because people have to work not everyone has the privilege to be able to have the ministry sustain them and not everyone can read the Bible and pray as much as possible per day

>>640384

You should read 1 Corinthians 7, post haste.

Take special note of this part:

"I wish that all men were as I am. But each man has his own gift from God; one has this gift, another has that."

Why did he just wish that everyone would become celibate? Isn't that against your interpretation of Genesis 1:28?

That being said, I not only think people here should marry, but that the virtue of chastity is misunderstood in those times.

Why do people thin that gay people are perfect for celibacy? The apostles recommended that people that have the virtue of celibacy become celibate, and really this should be the requirement for becoming celibate. Not because its convenient to you, not because the laws on divorce are tough, not any other reason– You will probably end up sinning if you become "celibate" for those reasons anyways.

>>640463

Nearly everyone reads the Bible in the way they want. That's nothing new.

>>640344

>but to promote what is appropriate and to secure undistracted devotion to the Lord."

But you're a papist, you try to please the Lord in vain.

>>640402

>I think you are just being blithely selfish and unrealistic about where we are in time.

>Luke 21:23 Woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

I am done listening to this papist drivel. This board is garbage anyway, people like this should be banned.

>>640470

>implying that marriage is sinful

>1 Timothy 4:1-5

>Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared, who forbid marriage and require abstinence from foods that God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, for it is made holy by the word of God and prayer.

Why do you insult the married state when Paul, who you desperately try to twist his words, describes it as a gift from God and holy?

>>640596

>Hey if people were more Christians there would be some celibate people here and there

Please find what part of the above greentext insults the married state.

If you think that this greentext does not accurately represent >>640470 , please state why.

I can assure you that your interpretation of that post is wrong, I've re-read it around 5 times just because of you.

For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.

(Matthew 19:12)

/thread

I feel like its nigh impossible to be celibate unless you grow up in isolation. Even regular exposure to today's world stirs up the passions to a degree that is irresistible. Thank God for marriage.

That's the Catholic Church. What does the Bible say about celibacy?

>(1 Corinthians 9:5) We have authority to lead about a sister as a wife, even as the rest of the apostles and the Lord’s brothers and Cephas, do we not?

>(1 Timothy 3:2) The overseer should therefore be irreprehensible, a husband of one wife, moderate in habits, sound in mind, orderly, hospitable, qualified to teach,

>(1 Timothy 3:12) Let ministerial servants be husbands of one wife, presiding in a fine manner over children and their own households.

>(Titus 1:6) if there is any man free from accusation, a husband of one wife, having believing children that were not under a charge of debauchery nor unruly.

>(Colossians 2:23) Those very things are, indeed, possessed of an appearance of wisdom in a self-imposed form of worship and [mock] humility, a severe treatment of the body; but they are of no value in combating the satisfying of the flesh.

Teaching celibacy as a requirement is Satanic.

>(1Timothy 4:2-3)2by the hypocrisy of men who speak lies, marked in their conscience as with a branding iron; 3forbidding to marry, commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be partaken of with thanksgiving by those who have faith and accurately know the truth

>>640921

I think that celibacy as a requirement for priesthood is arbitrary but even I can see what is wrong with this.

Can Protestants actually read the bible, instead of just reading enough to brag about it to Catholics?

>Jesus Christ was wrong because he teached before marrying and therefore ignored scripture

>Parts of the bible are also wrong because a Apostle admits that he's wifeless and recommends that other people be too(1 Corinthians 7:7) and that means he was a unmarried Priest wow! he should've read 1 Timothy 3:2

>>640377

All of those don't merely concern the flesh.

Remember the promise God made to Abraham, folks: Through Christ, Christians become the children of Abraham. Therefor any verse that says "Be fruitful and multiply" applies just as well to those who are celibate, perhaps even more so because a celibate priest can 'adopt' much more people as his own children than a man can pump out children.

Celibacy is a very holy and blessed path, the bible speaks highly of them for good reason.

>>640921

>(1Timothy 4:2-3)2by the hypocrisy of men who speak lies, marked in their conscience as with a branding iron; 3forbidding to marry, commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be partaken of with thanksgiving by those who have faith and accurately know the truth

Thank you for sharing this verse. I don't like marriage but I'll need to consider the significance and context of this verse.

>>640921

>(1Timothy 4:2-3)2by the hypocrisy of men who speak lies, marked in their conscience as with a branding iron; 3forbidding to marry, commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be partaken of with thanksgiving by those who have faith and accurately know the truth

I'm back. Forbidding people from marrying isn't the same as calling for celibacy. Even fornicators can forbid themselves and others from marriage, but celibacy is the renounce of sex and marriage for the Lord.

Also sage.

>>640403

>not having sex is cowardly

Your mind is still fixed on the world and you would call holy men cowardly because they don't obsess on the world and its future as you do. Do away with your pride.

Of course i am celibate till i die.

I wouldnt advice this to other people though. Most cels either get to be mentally ill or suicide.

>>641545

I never said that, what I said was:

>I think you are a coward because you are advocating people dont reproduce.

If OP wants to be a catholic preist, thats fine by me, but I'm doing my duty to Christ by literally making more Christians with my wife.

Making baby mommas =/= making babies. What you people don't understand is Islam. A literal satanic religion that allows their men to marry and knock up 4 women at a time.

Obviously Christians having morals can't do that. Thats why im advocating you dont "marry lady chastity" like OP suggests. Instead, marry an actual woman like God intended

Unless the thought of you failing Christ's mission and not planting the seed for the next generations gets you off.

>>641669

If you "never said that" then you at least just did.

>>640344

“Not everyone can accept this word, Jesus answered, “but only those to whom it has been given."

>>641669

Couple more things. If I recognize this as the endtimes then I am in fact obligated not to have children. Secondly I would strongly impress this same conclusion on other Christians in the spirit of truth, the preoccupations of Deus Vult LARPers like yourself notwithstanding.

>>641934

> implying anyone can tell when Jesus will come even though he will come like a thief in the night

>>641961

I'm not setting a date. Sometime in this century isn't a date, much less an hour.

>>640344

I am. it's a much more relaxed life once you've slaughtered all desire for sex, you have seemingly infinite time to have fun in addition to work, and you can work whatever you want without worry for impressing a girl or having a house for a family. Hell, I dont even want a place, I like living as a vagabond sometimes

>>641934

But Paul did the same thing because he too thought the second coming of Christ was near. While you may feel called to celibacy, realize that God doesn't reserve the same vocation for everybody, and that tomorrow's priests and religious and lay christians have to come from somewhere.

>>641993

Some time this century means before a certain date, 100 years from now, so yes you are setting a date.

ok so who's going to propagate the species, idiot

>>640344

Because I want a family and would rather marry a cute girl

>be fruitful and multiply

>lit. second command in bible

>evolutionary dead end

>capital malinvestment

>>646306

>pic related

lol I never said anything like that. Sometimes I wonder if you people are all anti catholic protestants who deny the very idea of clergy being celibate because you hate celibacy so much because the Church promotes it

I never thought an aspect of the Albigensian Heresy would be revitalized on a Laotian foraging forum.

Because I have a penis that works and want children.

>>645888

>>646317

>>646351

Not everyone who have children are fathers.

Christians are the adopted children of Abraham, not by blood but by faith.

Someone who is childless to devote their entire life to God have the capacity to adopt the fatherless, which are more numerous than you can imagine.If only all it took to be a father was to spill yourself into a lady then the world would not be such a horrible place.

We need men that can adopt the fatherless moreso than ever before.

>>646351

>Because I have a penis that works and want children.

Children aren't by blood alone. If only Christians could see that this is precisely what God gave to Abraham through Jesus Christ. There are so few Christians today that would sacrifice the body for the spirit, and thus the fatherless suffer, because there are so few willing to adopt them just as God adopts them.

>"For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it." Matthew 16:25

>“Sing, barren woman,

you who never bore a child;

burst into song, shout for joy,

you who were never in labor;

because more are the children of the desolate woman

than of her who has a husband,”

says the Lord. – Isaiah 54:1

>>640344

>tfw incel

>>646369

> when The magisterium is more correct than God, the post

>>646369

Some are called to be husbands. It's not out of selfish desire. I was given a beautiful devout wife by God. Our meeting was not by chance.

This was something I had been called for since I was young, and I was a virgin until we married. I also prayed for it and waited patiently. That patience was worth it.

You should stop shilling celibacy as something mandated. Chastity until marriage is something I strongly agree with, but not forever. Few men are strong enough to be celibate, and, as Paul said, it is better to marry than to burn.

>>646366

Because it's much harder to project someone as your own child when you already have blood children. The needs of the spirit contradict the flesh, and the flesh the spirit.

Not saying that you have to go down this path, but that this path is VERY MUCH needed in today's world. Not everyone who produces children have in fact multiplied, therefor we need fathers for the fatherless.

Be fruitful and "multiply", but multiply doesn't just mean blood offspring as proof of God's promise to Abraham, of his children being as numerous as the stars, through Jesus Christ.

If it was good for Abraham, if it's good for God, then it must be good for Christians. This isn't saying that all Christians should be like this, but that it's a VERY important role.

>>646374

I relate with orphan children. And altho I want to live as a celibate Ive thought about how adopting a child and raising one into the catholic faith would be beautiful. Maybe I am eventually called to do this

However it's a shame how adopting one has been made a very difficult process on purpose. Often if one wants to adopt a child the wait is very long, costs an awful lot of money and in only very few get to adopt one because of "safe parenting reasons. Yet the government wont hesitate for a second to give the child to a homosexual couple, whose parenting will surely mess the child up mentally and confuse the kid, not to mention it runs the risk of the kid getting molested by manipulative bad pedophile parents

Pray for the fatherless that they might get Godly catholic adoptive fathers

>>640344

It's a tall order, failing it is a horrible sin, and the alternative, marriage, is perfectly licit and moral.

This thread is full of blasphemers and Judaizers. Andersonism was a mistake

>>646384

romans 9:27

>Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:

TBH this is why (((they))) want the earth population decreased and maintained at 500,000. As to not fullfill the prophecy.

>>646551

If they wanted to prevent prophecy from being fulfilled then why did (((they))) reclaim Israel?

revelation 18:23

>And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

To trick the nations by (((their))) sorceries. By making the nations confuse the christians/biblical jews/isrealites of romans 2:28-29 with the fake jews of revelation 2:9/3:9 (((they))) again think to delay prophecy. But this too was predicted in daniel 7:25

>And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

>2018

>not being incel

I couldn't fornicate if I wanted to.

I'm sorry you had the misfortune of making a quality thread on /christian/, OP. There is a reason I don't visit this board anymore.

The reason I'm not married to Lady Chastity is because I think I will be married to a young woman I have met. { God has not given her / she has not accepted } the grace of faith yet, but we established that the purpose of our relationship is to make each other holier, and this is exactly what has happened so far. Please pray for us!

>>640344

Because my wife would be pissed.