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e2d7e7 No.639070

Hello /christian/, I need your help at something.

My grandmother is at constant conflict with herself. Her mother's side is christian but the father's is jewish, I hope you understand where I'm going with this.

She always switches sides when it comes to religion. One time she is jewish and one time christian. Lately her jewish side has really kicked in, and it's very annoying because she has absolutely no idea on judaism or what it means to be a jew. She is saying things like "I'm proud to be jewish" "jews are the chosen people" "anti-semitism is because of envy" etc.. I really want to 'red-pill' her once and for all about judaism. She grew up in a christian home because her father was an atheist even though he was from a jewish background, so she is familiar (to some degree) with christianity and she does believe in Jesus Christ. I tried to get her to read the Bible (particularly the NT, since the OT is too difficult for her) but it doesn't work. She loses focus quite fast and drop it.

And I want to mention she was rejected and got hurt by jews multiple times, first with her father's family, then with her jewish friends, rabbis rejected her etc., yet she can't drop that toxic religion.

Anyway, the situation is pretty complicated. I'd love to hear some tips from you guys on how to show her the right way and make her understand why she can't keep doing that.

8b7471 No.639076

>>639070

She sounds like a regular poster child for interfaith unions. I've yet to see one that doesn't result in confusion and apostasy, particularly with regards to women. Personally I can't see such unions as valid marriages and believe entering into such relationships is a grave sin. Unfortunately, I don't have an easy answer for you. Jews are particularly pernicious in their infidelity. Perhaps the best way to go about it isn't to start with "red-pilling" her on Jews but on Christ and then working backwards to what the Gospel says about the Pharisaical Jews. I can't say for sure. I don't know your grandmother or what level of Talmudism she's on.


42c5f0 No.639084

>>639070

Have her look into the Jews for Jesus groups or find a Messianic Jewish Synagogue.


40f50a No.639090

>>639084

>Messianic Jewish Synagogue

NO

They still keep the ceremonial law, despite all that Paul said on the matter. Plus they still celebrate Pharasaical Jewish holidays.


2292e1 No.639092

>>639070

>my grandmother filp flops all time

>now she thinks she is jewish

>OT is too difficult for her

Checks out, your grandmother is definitely a jew. Im sorry anon :^)

Imo, I would read Jeremiah and/or Ezekiel to her. Explain to her why God abandoned Israel after she (the state of Israe) was caught multiple times whoreing around with other false gods (among other things). Also explain to her that due to the laws of the Rabbis, because she doesn't have a clear line of Judaism in her mother's and her grandmother's genes, she isn't legally a Jew.


42c5f0 No.639099

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>639070

I forgot about the Jewish Maternal decent issue. As >>639092 said, your grandmother needs to understand that as it stands right now she is not Jewish. She does not have a Jewish mother. The only way to become a Jew without a Jewish mother is an Orthodox conversion, which is not easy to do. Maybe showing her this video will discourage her enough to return back to Christ. The rabbi in this video says it is better to stay a nonbeliever than to go through the conversion process.


e2d7e7 No.639108

>>639076

>Perhaps the best way to go about it isn't to start with "red-pilling" her on Jews but on Christ and then working backwards to what the Gospel says about the Pharisaical Jews.

I agree with this, thanks.

>I don't know your grandmother or what level of Talmudism she's on.

She doesn't even know what the talmud is.

>>639092

>>639099

>Jewish Maternal decent issue

She is already aware of that, she tried to become legally jewish long time ago but rabbis kept rejecting her. Then again, she says she feel 'jewish' and that she is more jewish than those rabbis and orthodox jews.

The thing is, she got rejected from both sides. She grew up with christians (because the jewish side abandoned her) and they used to treat her like a jew. Her own mother called her a "filthy kike" when she was a child.

I think she is just traumatized.


11f260 No.639120

>She always switches sides when it comes to religion. One time she is jewish and one time christian.

So she's just a normal jew, then.


f7dfdf No.639125

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>>639070

Don't take it to hearth, anon. Perhaps I'm being biased here from past experience, but you can't teach an old dog new tricks. Pray for the mercy and guidance of God.


1b9f94 No.639154

>>639070

If you're truly concerned and this isn't just a second class LARP, then you should pray the Rosary for her conversion regularly and maybe be a little less judgmental on her or the jewish religion. Especially when you handle bs terms like "red pill", then it's more of a sign of you lacking humility. Because this term is usually used by /pol/ gnostics and neo-pelagians, and those corrupted by their world view.

In any way: Pray for her and keep yourself away from harmful ideologies. If your grandma chooses to be jewish, keep praying and don't judge her. That's a very bad thing to do - because God told us specifically not to. And if she happens to start going in the direction of Christ, read the bible with her. And I mean with her.


e05d46 No.639160

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>>639154

Is this 2016 or something?


1b9f94 No.639163

>>639160

What exactly ? "Don't be judgmental" or "don't cling to cruel world views like those promoted on /pol/" or that he shouldn't be putting faith in himself and his thoughts like /pol/yps do ? Or that I said he shall pray and be patient ? I'm not quite sure what your problem is, but you seem to not understand what I've written or simply didn't bother reading it all.

Have a great day and God bless.


c95ca4 No.639444

The scriptures themselves are very dense, and are not meant for ordinary people to read. These days a lot more people are able to read the scriptures due to literacy being so prevelant, but not many can understand their meaning.

Instead of trying to slog through the OT, perhaps take a look at popular exegesis. I'd recommend Understanding the Scriptures by Scott Hahn, or The Fourth Cup by the same. She will find fascinating insight into pre-talmudic Judaism, and see how this points toward Christ. The scriptures are best absorbed in small pieces.


7a4418 No.639489

Tell her this: The real essence of judaism resides in Christianity. What they have is an empty shell. A good Christian is a perfect Jew.


5d48fa No.639530

>>639090

>They still keep the ceremonial law

NO

… they don't.

This meme needs to die a bitter death.

SOME are guilty of betraying Christ, true, but there are too many that embrace Him fully


0cba99 No.639545

>>639530

>NO

>… they don't.

YES

… they do.

I knew a guy who converted to Messianic Judaism. They made him get circumcised. He was proud of it.

Maybe not all, but clearly some.


737d79 No.639671

>>639154

>don't judge someone for apostasy

Back to reddit, you cuck.


cc2e7a No.639803

>>639090

Its not like keeping the law can damn you. It may not be necessary but it builds character and its God's law after all.




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