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>>638265

Jesus mainly predicted the end of the second temple period, the "end times" to which many evangelicals refer are indefinite in terms of the scope of things to which they refer in history imo.

There have been many people motivated by the spirit of anti-christ without being THE Anti-Christ.

>>638265

I don't think it's strange about the gap, considering the billions of years the Universe has existed, and our specific revelation of the Absolute Divinity to our species took so long to come to this level (from our animist days, until we could muster the intellectual altitude to be monotheist/latrist, until now with evidence of the Resurrection).

Nero was AN antichrist. Not the first one, not the last one but damn close. And as a type of THE antichrist, he shares many, many similarities. But there are certainly better types. Antiochus IV and Julian Apostate are closest, as far as I know. Stalin too if you think about it.

>>638265

I can't pretend to be very well versed in the subject, but a lot of the arguments I've heard of "Nero as the beast of revelation" don't really explode the anti-Christ coming in the future. Like the wound on the head of the beast being healed being in reference to Nero's suicide; if this argument is correct, Nero may just be the archetypal frame of the "God-King" who would unite the world for his vanity, or he may literally be in league with the future anti-Christ, since from the experiences of exorcists we know that sufficiently evil people can become demonic after death (I've heard testimony from Father Ripperger that he has exorcised Judas Iscariot from victims of possession on more than one occasion).

>>638349

What do you think it is?

>>638377

There's a lot of propaganda, disinfo, and political correctness to condition and mislead people so if I outright said it most normies wouldn't believe me. The hand and the forehead means it affects both thoughts and actions. It is almost always voluntary (though modernity will try to sway you towards it) and its effects are permanent. Look into other parts of the Bible where "mark" and "beast" are used and you should eventually be able to piece the message together. If you stay truly traditional minded you don't have much to worry about though.

>>638383

Ah I see.

>I outright said it most normies wouldn't believe me.

Well I'm not a normie so I think you can say it outright without any worry of me killing myself over the sheer shock.

>>638401

He already stated what he thinks it is. It's a marking of the way people think, in the head they think and with the hand they act out their thoughts as spoken of in luke 12:34

>For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also

And see matthew 16:11

>How is it that ye do not understand that I spake it not to you concerning bread, that ye should beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees?

Not that I entirely think he is complete in his interpretation of the mark. As where does the number of the name fit in if it is a thought proccess?

>>638458

The only problem I have with this interpretation is that the mark is explicitly tied to commerce. It may be reflective of certain beliefs, but to my understanding it must be material in some fashion.

>>638494

As a side note John Milton said it would be currency and the rise of industrial markets and society. Though not apocalyptic I'm convinced that those developments were wholly Satanic.

revelation 13:16-18

>And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

>And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

>Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

No his interpretation could be valid. They are denied for their marking of thoughts access to the financial system/buying/selling. Or denied if they haven't taken on the name of the beast like in marriage. Or the number of his name. But how would one determine the number of his name based off of already discerning it from the Bible? Let him that hath understanding delcare it so.

>>638497

And how do the marked identify their own? It could be something as simple as a document, but it has to be something you can prove. Taking on a name, for example, you can prove with documentation.

>>638507

>And how do the marked identify their own?

By their way of thinking. Just like a liberal can walk up to a group of liberals based off of appearance and manner of speach. Just like how natsocs could walk up to a group of natsocs based off of manner of speach alone.

>taking on a name for example

How do husbands identify their wife(s)? By their appearance and submissiveness/servitude towards the husband. Just like a wife takes on the name of her husband, so would these take on the name of the beast in revelation 13. And just like christians as members of the body of Christ are supposed to take on the name of Christ/God in marriage in revelation 19.

Now I am not saying I support his interpretation, as all this still doesn't explain the number of the name part. But that would be my understanding of it based off of the Bible.

>>638512

I've heard the number could be carbon, gematria, or even just a meaningless spook.

>>638512

Mmm. Thinking about the taking of a name as a submission to Christ/antichrist is something I never thought of before. I'm not entirely convinced that marked society would rely on impressions alone but you've certainly broadened my understanding of the concept.

>>638516

*submission in the context of marriage I mean.

>>638516

>Mmm. Thinking about the taking of a name as a submission to Christ/antichrist is something I never thought of before

Something else of note along this topic that brings out meaning and biblical meaning because christians are the bride/members of Christ in 1 corinthians 6:15-17 is exodus 20:7

>Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

>>638527

>So are you saying it has to do with following a false doctrine in Christ's name?

What? See mark 7:7-8 and john 16:2 because following false doctrine in christs name is something that happens I honestly don't know what the mark of the beast is other then the Bible mentions the number of his name. I keep saying I don't entirely agree with anon here's >>638383 interpretation because I just simply don't understand how the number of his name would fit in with such a interpretation.

I only mentioned the exodus 20:7 verse and taking on the name of God in marriage because it is a event in revelation 19:7-9 that hasn't happend yet as we are espoused chaste virgins to Christ in 2 corinthinthians 11:2. But it was relevant to the "receive" or taking on of the mark in revelation 13.

>Revelation predicted both fake jews and fake Christians of our time?

Now this it did in revelation 2:9/3:9 because of romans 2:28-29.

>>638515

The carbon thing is retarded. 6+6+6=18, not 600 and 66. Remember, most of those get posted by schizoids who can't do basic math.

>>638265

The spirit of the antichrist is one thing, the actual final antichrist another thing.

Time does not always flow in a linear way because man is free.

The final antichrist will come when the Earth is corrupt like in the time of Noah, but there is no set date. "not even the son knows, only the Father".

When will mankind be corrupted as it was in the time of Noah? It depends on men.

The Katechon is preventing that corruption. There is no set date because man is free to choose corruption or to choose God, and as long as many people choose God then the antichrist will be delayed.