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02923f No.636294

>be me

>try to rediscover faith

>undertake some amateur Biblical allegorical exegesis

>rely on the following principles, the allegorical - that Scripture is revealed and inspired, and with inspiration the original significance of the text is obscured by the flaws of the writer, which opens the room for broader interpretation; that the claim of revelation is unfalsifiable but the revealed text is consistent with logic it's better to believe than not

>The salvific, that the theme of original sin is core to Christian teaching and without a literal or allegorical cause of the Original Sin Jesus' death would be vain since there'd be nothing to redeem

>and the Xenophanic, that science has removed any room for anthropomophic or zoomorphic gods in the universe, and gods concieved from what an ancient person could percieve in his environs are very likely fake, cultural products of the time, but the Christian God always seemed pretty abstract enough that He might truly be a supreme being of the whole universe revealed to primitive people in clear terms, so this isn't a problem

>I'm willing to discard anything Biblical except the story of Eden and consequently Jesus' sacrifice which are central to the faith

>start with the genesis

>mostly consistent with the current geological creation of the earth, except the creation of the celestial bodies after the Earth and the making of birds before terrestrial life, first might just be the skies clearing up after basic proto-vegetal bacteria began to alter the atmosphere and the second might refer to reptiles, which are a precursor to birds

>fail to find anything specifically persuasive of the former except that the moon's crust could have solidified long after the Earth's

>in the interlinear Bible the birds are expressly described as flighted, something they or reptiles couldn't do before terrestrial life became dominant

>defer trying to find an explanation for this until later

>then find out the firmament was literally solid according to descriptions later in the Pentateuch

>the kikes literally thought the sky was solid like other people at the time

>Genesis is bullshit then, but according to current secular exegesis it was written separately from the Eden story, by the Jahwist source

>Pretty impossible for a literal Garden of Eden and the events therein to have transpired literally but it can be an inspired metaphor of humanity developing sentience and discerning of good and evil, which is what makes them responsible for their sin and liable to damnation; Humans only begin to civilize after the incurment of the original sin as the Bible attests; Then I took that the OS was allegorical for judgement of which only humans are possesed

>So far so good, to confirm that this story is divinely inspired I have to check for inconsistencies with my own standards in the Jahwist's writings

>Wiki says that the Jahwist portrays God as antropomorphic physically and mentally

>Analyze given examples for myself

>The "physical" proof given is just passages describing God moving in space

>How can 1 jew prophet trigger so many historical revisionists that they have to make shit up? BASED (J)!

>Psychologycal proof is the dialogue in the Garden of Eden but the inquiry of Adam's deed seems more rhetorical and an attempt to induce him to confession

>Everything is faultless so far, good prospect of me regaining faith

>awyeah.webm

>Second example was Moses bargaining with God and getting Him to relent after the Jews turned to idolatry

>nothing too glaring in it

>Keep reading the Exodus until the scene where God and Moses converse in a tent

>References to faces

>It's just abstraction bro

Then

>God literally says He has a winnie the pooh arm and backside

Give 1 reason not to rope rn, without God I only have lookism and I'm at best a 5/10

587d68 No.636298

>>636294

Sounds like it's time for confession, friendo.


02923f No.636299

File: ff0631e8a3e86df⋯.png (454.3 KB, 697x360, 697:360, 1484932495204.png)

>>636298

Confession won't make the Old Testament any more compelling


91e591 No.636300

>>636294

Is God an ayy?


02923f No.636302

>>636300

If he's an ayylmao I don't even give a winnie the pooh, what difference is it when I die if God is not really transcendental or does not exist at all

>why would you be Christian just for the afterlife

If I could reinforce my agnosticism with Biblical study I'd just be more at peace with the idea of death since I'd take hell over oblivion even; I'd NEET it up even if the Bible suggested strongly that it was divinely inspired


68fcc1 No.636309

File: c492ae58a0f0fed⋯.jpg (47.17 KB, 403x403, 1:1, first_cup_of_science.jpg)

>>636294

>Give 1 reason not to rope rn

Because of that fact that you are posting right here and now, have not roped yourself yet, and looked for God (in the very wrong way) like some Gnostic proved to me that you desperately need God. Also:

>Wiki

Give it a few more years and they will say every Christian is a racist, our Lord Jesus was a queer, and marriage is slavery. Only maniacs or fools believe everything Wiki said without questions, and the only articles not engulfed in flame war, edit war, culture war are strictly hard science and that is change at this very moment.

>the kikes literally thought the sky was solid like other people at the time

And the Bible said that that was not the case and it is true. Our world floats in the void more commonly known as space.

>I have to check for inconsistencies with my own standards

Not your own "standard", but with the grace of God. Every fedora-tier atheists out there wants you to argue within their arbitrary "standard" which basically summed up to: "lalalala God does not exist I win trololol."

>God literally says He has a winnie the pooh arm and backside

So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. - Genesis 1:27. Guess who lives in you, in your very own reflection of "5/10 at best".

If you believe in cold, hard fact so much you should know that "theories" get disproved constantly, even Einsteins, Stephen Hawkins, etc. With every discoveries, the more evidences turned up and they all pointed towards Him. God exists, and that is a cold, hard fact.


02923f No.636311

>>636309

"But if cattle and horses and lions had hands

or could paint with their hands and create works such as men do,

horses like horses and cattle like cattle

also would depict the gods' shapes and make their bodies

of such a sort as the form they themselves have. "

Anything but that few lines that described God as human-shaped and I would have been willing to beleive

There is only 1 excuse for this and maybe that the transcendental deity manifested Itself in the shape of a human just for the purpose of that encounter; Or that God gradually manifested in more abstract ways as befit the times. But I find that a gigantic coping mechanism right now.

My issue is that if this single line did not compromise the Credibility of the Jahwist source then the Adam and Eve story could have remained firm as an inspired tale that has some truth to it, the truth of the Original Sin, which is the predicate for Christ's sacrifice to the redemption of man and the kernel of Christianity. But that foundation was rocked.

I am open to any more counterpoints to my despair from you or other people because that's the object of this thread


bdbcb0 No.636320

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>636294

You should watch this when you have time.


6442a0 No.636321

>>636309

That quote isnt real. Please post real sources if it is.

>>636294

Why would you kys? 'Philosophize'more


68fcc1 No.636340

>>636321

Looked it up. It was supposedly misattributed to Werner Heisenberg, but the source that said it is not really trustworthy. The source remains unknown though, but his protege and close acquaintances quoted very similar statements. Many mysteries shrouded about that quote. The man himself has his own personal conviction though it seemed, and like a proper academic of that time unlike the (((academics))) of today who work iniquities, he did not let his very personal view into his published works.

Who knows, maybe he said something like that to his proteges and associates in private. Maybe he did not.


6442a0 No.636343

>>636340

So its just made up. Its obviously bs in the first place sonce its the most posted so called "truths" on alt lite nibbas


cae8de No.636348

>>636343

Like I said, maybe, maybe not. We are living in the age of wanton historical revisionism, blatant lies, fake news, degeneration of culture, etc.

The only Truth with a capital 'T' we can really trust is in Him. Anything else is very dangerous to tread upon.


5bca6c No.636350

>>636348

>The only Truth with a capital 'T' we can really trust is in Him. Anything else is very dangerous to tread upon.

And you can only know exactly what He said if you speak Koine Greek. Everything else we know could be imaginary.


6442a0 No.636356

>>636348

Just admit that you're an idiot who easily gets duped on stupid images.


5bca6c No.636358

>>636356

The trolling is far deeper than just images. The education system is telling us communism works.


cae8de No.636363

>>636356

Thought it was real until you asked about it (got it from this board some long time ago, thought it was genuine). A blunder on my part. My bad. Was trying to find some quotes/picture by scientists who are strong in faith to get OP up and ended up with maybe a huge lie.


2b8652 No.636370

>>636294

Why does God having a body make Him seem less believable to you?


84faca No.636389

>>636294

>God literally says He has a winnie the pooh arm and backside

Psalm 121 also talks about living in the shade of God, and how He will hold the left and right hand of His people by laying His on it, but i doubt i worship a umbrella with disembodied, telekinetic hands.

>>636356

setting aside that poster's weird reasoning, that we can throw source-checking to the windows because da jooz and communist coverups, or whatever, Heisenberg was a devout Lutheran. Quite an interesting read.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werner_Heisenberg#Personal_life


184fb0 No.636618

>>636370

That God really was man-shaped in the (J) fragment of the Pentateuch makes it seem more like (J) was fabricating another piece of iron age myth instead of being inspired the Supreme Being revealing Itself


adb3c8 No.636626

>>636618

>(J) fragment

Please stop this. JEDP isn't even trendy anymore in academia and higher criticism is cancer in general.


2dbe6a No.636767

>>636618

Man didn't anthropomorphisise God, God anthropomorphised man by creating man in his own image. The Logos appears as a man because that is the closest physical incarnation to God


3b3044 No.637000

>>636767

>Man didn't anthropomorphisise God, God anthropomorphised man

Shouldn't that be God theophised man, technically?

pardon my amatuer attempt at throwing words together/making them up




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