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[insert faith here] BTFO! Thread Christanon 04/10/18 (Tue) 11:55:55 88615a No.632263

As someone who is struggling with committing myself to Christ due to not understanding the other faiths I'm rejecting in favour of Him, I thought this could be an interesting thread. It could have a lot of potential but also could be dreadful, but worth a try.

What I thought would be a good idea is to post either the top 1, 3, 5 or 10 (or however many takes your fancy or you got) arguments which invalidates another faith or worldview by their own inconsistencies, without using their scriptures (unless for the purposes of demonstrating logical or historical or someother inconsistency i.e. avoiding 'this scripture says this which is contrary to what Jesus said therefore is false'). What I want to understand is why do these other faiths or worldviews fail on their own terms?

What would be good would be to avoid cliches which are borne of ignorance (i.e using Tiqiyya as the default/sole reason for Islam being false due to reasoning which says "muslims are allowed to lie any and all the time' when it's generally accepted it's only regarding lying about their faith in the face of persecution - side note: I am of the view that Tiqiyya is allowed at all is a suggestion that Islam may be false - why would God permit lies about faith in Him under any circumstances when he is by default the truth and all about the truth? Does this God make exceptions for the ends justify the means? Doesn't sound like a perfect being to me). Similarly, I get that for Judaism one arguement against it is that it is Talmudism invented after Christ may be used, but that doesn't actually prove it as false. It only states a fact which one can take into consideration along with it's implications when assessing the whole. I'm looking for one liners or similar which BTFO them on their own terms. "Other faiths are demonic" similarly is not what will be fruitful for this discussion.

And then, should any learned anons have it in their arsenal, post what the person of that faith or worldview would say in response in their defences, and then what the counter defence a Christian would be able to use against that.

Does that make sense?

So the different worldviews/approaches could be:

Islam

Judaism

general 'universe is eternal'

'Universe is God' (pantheism)

Hinduism specifically

Buddhism specifically

Toaism - if it has anything interesting to say/makes claims that can be debunked - i know nothing about it

Any others? (Mormonism probably isn't worth the effort but feel free to tackle that if anyone wants to)

Paganism (at least my limited understanding of it) is a joke so no need to go for that one.

I'll start with one from my limited understanding of Islam..

Christanon 04/10/18 (Tue) 12:11:59 88615a No.632266

>>632263

>I'll start with one from my limited understanding of Islam..

So, on the assumption that the Muslim's conception of God is very similar if not exactly the same as ours (except the trinity), in the sense they also view him as a maximally great being/perfeect etc., one reason Islam could be considered false is that yes their concept of God is deficient:

>Allah arbitraily decides who should be pardoned for sins and be merciful and who should be subject to his wrath/justice

>having the intention to do a good or bad deed is worth one/minus one heaven credit, while doing a good deed is worth x10 or more heaven credits compared to doing a bad deed which is worth -1 heavan credits

Therefore God has a deficient mode of carrying out justice and mercy on the sinner

>God is not described as love

>God is one person and so could not be all loving before creation due to being on his own (where trinity btfos Allah)

Therefore God is not the Maximally great being because it is better to be love and all loving as God is described in the bible rather than not

>That Taqiyya is even a thing shows that Allah permits the permeation of falsehoods and operates on the basis of 'ends justify the means' - even if only in relation to religious persecution - a maximially great being such a God would not sanction the use of lies by his followers

Therefore Allah of the muslim faith is false

Does anyone know what muslim's would say in response to this? Muslim's feel free to respond if you're allowed (I get the feeling you won't be due to rules though)

What could also be an interesting exercise is to re-iterate the objections people have to Christianity and what Christian's response is to them and then if there are any counter responses

(also another worldview that could be tackled is materialism/naturalism but I'm not concerned about that one as it's clearly insane)

Christanon 04/11/18 (Wed) 23:35:31 2497f0 No.633020

Watching this thread with great interest as I feel the call to believe in Christ but also feel the need to exhaust every alternative so to be able to defend my faith against others on an even playing field, so to speak. If anyone has existing resources that cover the topic OP has put forth I would appreciate that - any essays, texts, websites, forums, etc where this has already been discussed at length.