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bb2e55 No.628296

There's nothing that turns me off from Christianity more these days than the attitude where a Christian, protestant or catholic, or whatever line you believe is true, are not willing to change their mind even if they are proven wrong. I'm not saying I'm not guilty of that. I've asked sincerely that God would break that attitude down in me because quite frankly I think everyone is that way. But it's tiresome. Why care? Why should I have a worldview period. I don't want to be religious. I don't want to be an atheist. After all if there's a god, goddess, or gods they're not as personal as many claim they are. Every cry returns void. I myself would rather settle down, divorce from the world, live as a recluse, and if fantasy would allow I'd settle down with a girl and we'd just live together and love and fuck not entertaining any form of worldview. In the end intellectual endeavors are just egotistical opportunities to place oneself over another. The Baptist that drinks is better than the Baptist that faps. The catholic that donates is better than the catholic that fasts. The protestant that believes predestination is better than freewill and vice versa. The atheist is smarter than the religious, and the religious are more enlightened than the heathen. Is there really a point to thinking?

8c7488 No.628300

>>628296

You're expecting God to act as a miracle dispensing machine, that's why you're frustrated. Treat Him with the respect He deserves.


bb2e55 No.628302

>>628300

>expecting a god that people claim to be close to be close is expecting god to be a miracle dispensing machine.

Gee I haven't heard miracle dispenser before.


0dba4d No.628304

>>628296

I see a troubled mind. And a desperate cry for help. Do not worry anon, He is closer to you than you think.


bf5fa6 No.628306

>>628296

Proven Wrong? What exactly are you trying to prove?


8c7488 No.628308


1febb7 No.628310

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>>628296

I know the path you're on anon and I feel for you. I'm not mature in my faith enough to proselytize so I'll just pray for you and pray that you'll see that God loves you and that all lawyerly things melt away compared to that.


d904b9 No.628315

>>628296

I used to think I could never be wrong because I inherited my parents’ pristine logic skills. I stopped being so prideful when I read the Protocols of Zion and realized my conclusions can only be as accurate as the information or fake news that’s fed to me.

But idk why God isn’t very personal with you. I have been able to converse the Holy Mother, but I’ve never spoken personally with any member of the Trinity outside of dreams. Keep in mind God only spoke personally with Jeremiah and not the king. Maybe it’s because some people would get mad at what He has to say and ignore Him or maybe they would dismiss it as a delusion. Be careful with going to the opposite extreme because some people think spirits are talking to them in every little coincidence, so demons use this as a medium to literally communicate with them and spread a diabolic agenda.


e2835c No.628331

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>>628296

Your line of thinking comes from the harmful idea that other people take up different opinions because they are foolish and not because there are actuall reasons for taking them up. Although you have noticed that way of thinking in others, you haven't noticed it in yourself, only when you understand that truly you are no different from those people who flaunt their superiority over others due to their religion or philosophy will you gain some distance and be able to change your viewpoint. You probably already partially realize that but it hasn't set in for you just yet.


71e4b6 No.628347

>There's nothing that turns me off from Christianity more these days than the attitude where a Christian, protestant or catholic, or whatever line you believe is true, are not willing to change their mind even if they are proven wrong.

Wrong about what? Are you actually a Christian?

>I don't want to be religious. I don't want to be an atheist.

It's not about what you want, it's what you need. You need the Lord.

>After all if there's a god, goddess, or gods they're not as personal as many claim they are.

A "personal God" isn't a God that is relatable so much as a God with a Person, as opposed to some distant, nebulous force which we call "impersonal", like the God of the deists or gnostics. The Second Person of the Blessed Trinity literally became man. He is most certainly personal, and personable.

>I myself would rather settle down, divorce from the world, live as a recluse, and if fantasy would allow I'd settle down with a girl and we'd just live together and love and fuck not entertaining any form of worldview.

This is some serious Last Man shit. You also don't seem to realise that your anti-world view is just another worldview, and nor do you seem to realise just how common it is to the average contemporary urbanite that just wants to give up work, retire to their cosy apartment and not have to bother with anyone else ever again. You say you don't want a worldview, but you have just sleepwalked into the most toxic one going.

>In the end intellectual endeavors are just egotistical opportunities to place oneself over another.

Like what you are doing?

I can't speak for the rest of us, but prior to my conversion I also went through this same kind of protracted anguish and considered the same kind of thing. I find looking back on it that it wasn't so much emptiness as it was emptying; I was trying to shift a lot of what I considered to be deadweight and to live freely, to caste those Lockes and Kants overboard and sail away freely and lightly. It was a kind of horizontal supremacism in my thinking that made me feel like I wasn't really above others, just beyond them, away from them, which was so wrong and so vain. It is a walking death. You need to get out of that way of thinking as much as possible.

>The Baptist that drinks is better than the Baptist that faps. The catholic that donates is better than the catholic that fasts. The protestant that believes predestination is better than freewill and vice versa. The atheist is smarter than the religious, and the religious are more enlightened than the heathen.

Non-sequiturs everywhere. None of this is as straightforward as you think it is.

>Is there really a point to thinking?

Yes. Because without it, you end up typing what you did.


bb2e55 No.628362

>>628347

At least it's the least worldview of a having a worldview.


71e4b6 No.628372

>>628362

No, it's not. It's the kind of view that you have to go out of your way to maintain and justify, constantly reminding yourself not to get involved with other things because they are beneath you or don't affect you, so it's even more of a burden than any other.

Divorcing yourself isn't as simple as just going to your room and shutting the door, especially not now in the information age. Can you really handle that kind of isolation?


527d4a No.628458

>>628372

I think it could be fairly easy to say screw everything and just not care about anything but what you can be assure of in immediate observation. All I need to know is I exist and I'm somewhere. Anything beyond that isn't worth seeking out.


38b577 No.628467

Worldviews are facts, or perceived facts a person builds their life on. Not having a worldview means not having a basis for any belief. No basis, no spirit, no will. Nothing to exert or to give. You, op, have no spirit or will. Better said to be only willing to exist in the social world.


b3e33d No.628596

>>628296

The entire purpose of intelligence and education is so that God has a larger vocabulary to use when directing us.

I mean, obviously God knows all words but when we learn how to define abstract concepts shorthand, it helps God to direct us. If intellectual pursuits are not coupled with trust, pray, and submission, they will be fruitless.




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