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>And he began to speak to them in parables: A certain man planted a vineyard and made a hedge about it, and dug a place for the winefat, and built a tower, and let it to husbandmen; and went into a far country. And at the season he sent to the husbandmen a servant to receive of the husbandmen of the fruit of the vineyard. Who having laid hands on him, beat him, and sent him away empty. And again he sent to them another servant; and him they wounded in the head, and used him reproachfully. And again he sent another, and him they killed: and many others, of whom some they beat, and others they killed. Therefore having yet one son, most dear to him; he also sent him unto them last of all, saying: They will reverence my son. But the husbandmen said one to another: This is the heir; come let us kill him; and the inheritance shall be ours. And laying hold on him, they killed him, and cast him out of the vineyard. What therefore will the lord of the vineyard do? He will come and destroy those husbandmen; and will give the vineyard to others. And have you not read this scripture, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is made the head of the corner: By the Lord has this been done, and it is wonderful in our eyes. And they sought to lay hands on him, but they feared the people. For they knew that he spoke this parable to them. And leaving him, they went their way.

How could any Christian read this and not be supersessionist? The Church is now Israel. The Jews that did not convert have been rightfully dispossessed by Christians

>>626301

>How could any Christian read this and not be supersessionist?

Because it's unbiblical. The Church did not replace Israel, the Church did not become Israel, Israel was the Church. Galatians 3:15-18

<To give a human example, brothers: even with a man-made covenant, no one annuls it or adds to it once it has been ratified. Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, “And to offsprings,” referring to many, but referring to one, “And to your offspring,” who is Christ. This is what I mean: the law, which came 430 years afterward, does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to make the promise void. For if the inheritance comes by the law, it no longer comes by promise; but God gave it to Abraham by a promise.

What's his point? That ours is the same covenant which was made with Abraham, even if it is now different in outward administration.

>>626305

>He will come and destroy those husbandmen; and will give the vineyard to others. And have you not read this scripture, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is made the head of the corner

What did Christ mean by this then? It seems to imply the succession of Christians as the chosen people of God.

>>626316

Succession of Gentiles rather than Jews.

>>626316

I think He means those who were holy and rejected by modernity will become admired later, like many of the saints. Whereas those who do wickedly will be removed, including the jews.

Catholicism needs to deal with its own problems before it can help Protestants. Unfortunately Catholicism is currently heading towards dual covenant theory and is also not trying to convert Jews. Under these conditions, Catholicism can hardly correct those Protestants who believe in dispensationalism.

>>626285

Former Evangelical here. Zionism, health and wealth gospel, charismatic speaking in tongues nonsense, and dispensationalism are the biggest heresies of our time. They are an incredibly massive problem and it needs to be dealt with. They are the lies from the pit of hell.

Make them watch Marching to Zion

>How do we make them Catholic?

That's disgusting

>>626475

Indeed. "Christian" zionism, in particular, is the biggest threat to peace in the world today.

>>626301

>"The Church is now Israel."

Really?

What did Jesus say concerning the Kingdom of God in Matthew 21:43?

After Jesus' resurrection and then speaking with His disciples concerning the Kingdom of God as recorded in Acts 1:3, why did the disciples ask, "Lord, is it at this time You are restoring the kingdom to Israel?" (Acts 1:6)

What was Jesus' answer?

How many groups of people did the Apostle Paul reference in 1 Corinthians 10:32?

Why was the "Church of God" distinct from "the Jews"?

What did the Apostle Paul write concerning Israel in Romans chapters 10 & 11?

>>626580

It's a long story, I was raised in that church, but I quickly got tired of that crap. I was told everything from "Jews go to heaven automatically and do not need to accept Jesus" to the rapture theology and woman pastors. I got tired of the milk toast, borderline childish ways. I was at a low point in life several years ago and this ""church"" was giving me no answers.

Honesty, just be truthful with someone when it comes to the teachings of the bible and how one should live a Christian life. Nowhere in the bible does it say the moment we convert life will be like winning the lottery everyday. In fact, Christ instructed us to carry a cross of our own.

Life isn't promised to be a walk in the park, it will be difficult, but through Christ we strive to be better people and treat one another well. The greatest commandment in the law is to love God with all our being and to love our neighbors.

>>626625

I believe the majority of the problems people in this world face come from a lack of the gospel paired with a vitamin K deficiency. Luckily both can be cured from Pastor Anderson's preaching.

A bible in every home and an alfalfa sprout in every stomach that is the only way to achieve peace and health.

>>626575

You're misreading all of those, anon.

>>633135

He is, but how have you helped him by simply pointing that out?

>>626728

>milk toast

Don't you mean milquetoast?

There aren't any denominations without problems. And they are being lured with the concept of biblical israel. But I don't like to talk about denominations because there's only a mystical body.

>>626580

Fix picture pls. Needs short hair and pants.