a7a19d No.625244
>Hated Christianity
>Atheist
>Authored a philosophy that was explicitly anti-Christian
Response from conservative Christians?
SHE IS UNDOUBTEDLY /OURGAL/
Can someone please explain this to me?
b73b79 No.625247
(((Alisa Rosenbaum)))
Conservatives make an idol out of muh individualism and cahnstutooshun.
e5d9f9 No.625255
>>625244
She wrote books on the economic theory shared by most conservative Christians. She also wrote books on her own philosophy of objectivism. Conservative Christians recommend her books on libertarianism, along with other libertarian books by other authors. I don’t know any conservative Christians who support objectivism, cause that would be a contradiction
cbab3b No.625270
5ec953 No.625274
>economically conservative Christians
There's your problem
But seriously, I think the believers that espouse her works try their best to sperate her own beliefs from her writing but, alas, it's impossible.
03aa57 No.625280
>>625274
What is the problem with economically conservative Christians?
5ec953 No.625284
>>625280
It's just a ChristCom meme lol
294565 No.625296
>>625280
Capitalism is cancerous
03aa57 No.625297
>>625274
She wrote about the ills of centralizing governmental control of all aspects of society. She gave secular reasons for this.
Christians have spiritual reasons for this.
If I find a well written article that gives secular justifications against rape, pedophilia, or violent actions I may share it. This does not mean Christianity is not the highest moral base in my life. This does not mean I support every utterance the author has every made. It is just a way to engage with the world. Understanding additional justification, facts, metaphors, and arguments for secular activities would allow better avocation for moral civil society.
840998 No.625298
Neocon Evangelical Christians like her. I know, I used to be one. You know, the kind of Christians who hate Catholicism but love Jews, that think that rock music is devilish, who think that the return of the Lord will happen tomorrow with the Pope as the antichrist. They were the same kind that were protesting Dungeons and Dragons instead of abortion back in the 80s.
03aa57 No.625307
>>625296
Capitalism - "an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state."
All it means is private ownership exist. Its a tool of social moderation and interaction. It is not morality, it is not social structural blueprint, its not a unseen monster. Its just an aspect of understanding human rights, The biblical way.
Being the only other structural system relies on atheist justifications of anti reality premises that direct submission to overlord(s) not held to any limitation beyond what those on top creates is not a moral or logical option.
8dbf6b No.625323
e65da9 No.625326
>leeched off welfare in her old age
>and now lives rent free inside the heads of every leflet
Rand truly gamed the system.
23e0ea No.625327
>>625244
((American)) is a disgusting nations founded by god hating freemason and atheists.
5acdcb No.625328
>>625247
>>625244
American Conservatives/Libertarians define the political spectrum almost entirely based on how free the market is, which leads them to say retarded things like "the Nazis were leftists" and "Canada is socialist." They're worldly and idolize the dollar.
a7a19d No.625334
I'm getting the feeling that the Randians are the r/the_donald types.
63b99a No.625361
Bad theology and insufficient prayer, fasting and study of scripture. Like everything else.
f3c59f No.625427
>>625307
>It is not morality, it is not social structural blueprint, its not a unseen monster.
You can’t separate the morals and social structure of a society from the economic system, especially when the economic system rewards people for not having any morals.
be029b No.625434
>>625327
This. Americans are innately pathologically sick and immoral. How is this not recognized enough?
29f819 No.625458
Never liked her; Stirner was at least interesting to read.
2c7dac No.625468
>>625280
>What is the problem with economically conservative Christians?
Rand went full retard with it.
Her parents got their shit confiscated by soviets, so her answer to commie collectivism is selfishness elevated to the most insane degree(99% of human civilization literally collapses in Atlas Shrugged so her little village of industrialists can have their power trip).
You can't build any sort of society with that sort of mentality.
777160 No.625515
>>625334
pretty much all libertarians are
4f2899 No.625517
>>625327
Nice grammar.
>>625434
And what country do you live in?
6cf3ed No.625536
>>625244
>Ayn Rand
literally who?
5a7fcb No.625538
>>625296
As opposed to what system?
be029b No.625549
>>625517
Fattie American detected. Can't wait until you people get BTFO in the upcoming war.
(USER WAS WARNED FOR RULE 2: HISTORY OF SENSELESS ATTACKS) 9d55f6 No.625596
>>625549
Oh, so you're leftypol. Ok
89b8d4 No.625602
>>625434
Then how come Americans are more charitable than the "generous welfare paying" nordics? If you see an episode of extreme makeover, the entire neighborhood comes together to build houses for someone out of luck. That would NEVER happen in Europe.
8308d5 No.625801
>>625244
I read a lot of Rand in the height of my atheistic days. The thing she was really, really good at was describing the end game of socialistic/altruistic economies. However she didn't really understand interpersonal relationships and love. If you were finding a hiring manager for your factory, Ayn Rand would be a great candidate. But as a philosopher, she polluted her axioms with her own personal compulsions. She was also a narcissist and a charlatan to a degree. Finding out that she herself was participating in adultery, while romanticizing it in Atlas Shrugged, was very off-putting. I mean the book itself was pretty terrible; all of her fiction is, so I've heard. Most of her good stuff is in the essays and theoretical exposition, pic related.
f078d5 No.625880
>>625801
I have read Anthem, a science fiction story by her, and it was really bad. The worst aspect was her failure to understand humans, which made the entire plot full of unrealistic contrivance best explained by (unseen) evil aliens on Earth's orbit with mind control rays - a crucial flaw in what was supposed to be social science fiction. Even propaganda needs a degree of plausibility, but Ayn Rand couldn't manage that.
2896b8 No.625960
>>625280
>What is the problem with economically conservative Christians?
The first and the foremost problem is that people become too degenerate. Our countries are not dying because muh money. We're dying because we lack morals.
Economically conservative christians do not seem to give a damn about their people, they care for their own well being and individualism
>>625307
Capitalism is cancer because it steals your soul. Endless consumerism, materialism. Anything goes as long as you got the money. International financiers buy everything in your country. It produces people who absolutely lack any morals.
'Free market' should not be the highest value. If you think that 'capitalism' - the system as we know it today - is the only one that assures muh private property, you've been misled.
2896b8 No.625961
Lolgbertarianism is the very definition of selfishness. Putting material aspects of life over spiritual ones.
'It is all right if the child consents though' - is a common phrase used by lolgbertarians. you get the idea.
It is like peak capitalism - fetishizing free market over everything else. Including God.
>But muh capitalism is the only antidote against communism don't you know that.
Well both communism and capitalism reduces a human being to mere material. Communism attacks your body by starving you. Capitalism destroys your soul.
Capitalism is just as subversive as communism. Those two are the same crap just packaged differently.
4aed91 No.625963
>>625960
>Economically conservative christians do not seem to give a damn about their people, they care for their own well being and individualism
You're talking about economically conservative heretics
2de8c8 No.625972
>>625960
The main beef I have with capitalism is that it gave birth to throw-away culture. Things made in the past were made to last until Judgement Day, things made now are designed to last around 3 days before the warranty so they can sell their annual latest models. If this is not dishonest trade, then what is?!
075c26 No.625975
>>625296
>>625307
>>625960
>>625961
>>625972
"Communism and Capitalism are two sides of the same jewish coin" - Uncle A
f43ae5 No.626020
>>625960
>Economically conservative christians do not seem to give a damn about their people, they care for their own well being and individualism
False.
It's been proven with statistical data that economically conservative people are far, far more charitable with their money than those who politically advocate for redistributive policies. This makes sense when you consider that economic "liberalism" is predicated upon stealing from one person to give to another. Only a child believes Robin Hood is the good guy.
b02c65 No.626048
Extreme individualism is poison, but there's nothing wrong with being economically conservative. The problem with most "conservatives" is that they believe in usury and support the synagogue of satan unconditionally.
d49824 No.626112
>>626020
>If you're not neocon you're socialist
Bad meme. Capitalism erodes the social trust and cohesion of societies through cosmopolitanism and materialism. This includes the abandonment of social goods. Whether or not "economical conservatives" throw cash at charities which may or may not be for the purpose of a tax break so more revenue can feed back into the system of capital is irrelevant. There is still a net loss in public works. Read about the expansiveness of pre-modern almsgiving and you'll get my point.
5acdcb No.626116
>>625298
I know it was produced and directed by partially by a jew, but have you seen Jesus Camp? It's pretty jarring.
2c7dac No.626121
>>625961
>'It is all right if the child consents though' - is a common phrase used by lolgbertarians.
f43ae5 No.626594
>>626112
>If you're not neocon you're socialist
Nice strawman; I never said or implied as such. Do you even know what a neocon is? It's ZOG foreign policy with corporatism. This is much closer to fascism than capitalism. My point was that when people are allowed to keep the fruits of their own labor, without the government reaching into their pocket, they are more apt to give it away to charities. As for your cynicism:
>throwing cash at charities which may or may not be for the purpose of a tax break
That makes no sense because then both groups would be doing it. Basic principles of human action, friend. Read Mises.
2c7dac No.626682
>>626594
Not him, but
>Read Mises.
The only contribution Mises ever made that's recognised by mainstream economics is the economic calculation problem.
f43ae5 No.626706
>>626682
Yes, that's what I was referring to when I said "human action" would explain why both groups would act in their best interests.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Action
>Mises sees economic calculation as the most fundamental problem in economics. The economic problem to Mises is that of action. Man acts to dispel feelings of uneasiness, but can only succeed in acting if he comprehends causal connections between the ends that he wants to satisfy, and available means. The fact that man resides in a world of causality means that he faces definite choices as to how he satisfies his ends. Human action is an application of human reason to select the best means of satisfying ends. The reasoning mind evaluates and grades different options. This is economic calculation.
2c7dac No.626781
>>626706
Except he goes too much in the other direction.
Modern research shows homo economicus is a myth, and we are much more irrational and make weirder connections.
f43ae5 No.626787
>>626781
In some manners I'm sure that's true. But when it's as deterministic and obvious as claiming tax credits, I'd say we're well within the bounds of predictable human action.
455d60 No.626837
>>625280
What even is conservative about 'economic conservatives'? They lionize economic systems that have never existed and are often diametrically opposed to historical economic policies in their countries.
110fae No.626862
>>625244
I've literally never met a christian conservative who was more than ambivalent on Rand. Many, myself included, are outright contemptuous of the hateful kike.