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>>623615

>Prove to me

No.

>>623618

Not OP, but why is the fact that Jesus' image is still on the shroud a miracle and how does it prove Jesus was divine or risen again?

>>623618

This just proves a historical Jesus probably existed

>>623617

Okay, can you please show me evidence that what I initially said was incorrect?

>>623630

No. As OP said, the only thing I can see that proving is that the Historical Jesus existed.

>>623615

>Prove to me that there is something inherent within Christianity that makes it transcendental and true as compared to other belief systems.

It's the history of the world starting with the creation of humans in Sumer and documenting their spread as well as many warnings about the monster of Babylon which is the mother of all evil religions and cultures.

>Prove to me that the idea of Yahweh and the Christian God is not the amalgamation of Jewish myths and Greek philosophy

It documents events that happened in and around both Sumer and Greco-Rome. Of course other groups will record the same events.

>Prove to me that Christianity and Judaism didn't stem from some Canaanites worshiping of El

Canaanites and their gods and beliefs are generally hated in the Bibles.

>>623632

How many layers of euphoria are you on? Asking for a friend

>>623637

>if you aren't a Christian you're euphoric

There is nothing unique about Christianity that makes it different than any other religious belief.

>>623640

Anon, I'm sorry to tell you that you may be of a reprobate mind. Seek help.

>>623627

>prove my heresy wrong

Again … No.

You need to read the Bible and go to church and receive the Spirit. Then we'll talk. I don't debate children.

>>623640

except the part that it's correct.

>>623615

Jesus rose from the dead, no one else did.

Aside from all the recorded miracles he preformed, Christ, after being killed in front of a massive crowd, was observed to have resurrected days after his death in front of hundreds of witnesses.

Almost all the people who saw him do this were so committed to this fact that they were unwilling to renounce their testimony under intense torture and were killed. Not a single one of them denied what they saw.

>>623615

>Prove to me that there is something inherent within Christianity that makes it transcendental and true as compared to other belief systems.

The uniqueness of it's God and it's theology, as well as the satanic and demonic patterns of warning it displays in the other religions.

>Prove to me that the idea of Yahweh and the Christian God is not the amalgamation of Jewish myths and Greek philosophy

Christianity was not originally pagan but it gained a pagan influenced from Rome when they changed the lunar to a solar calendar, however this doesn't make it originally pagan. https://hooktube.com/watch?v=Rzo-cJgeKT4

What we know as Judaism now, is a result of the effect Jesus had with the Jews. The Jews were looking for the christian anti-christ, while Christ came and went against it. https://hooktube.com/watch?v=Rues1gVr338

>Prove to me that Christianity and Judaism didn't stem from some Canaanites worshiping of El

>https://web.archive.org/web/20071014225303/http://covenantseminary.edu/worldwide/en/CC310/CC310_T_21.html

>Let me give one other very obvious example, which you may not have thought about. In the Old Testament there are three primary word groups used to refer to God. There is El and Elohim, God as the Mighty One. There is Adonai, God as Lord. And there is Yahweh as God reveals Himself to Moses, I AM who I AM. The term probably means something like "the God who is." "I AM who I AM has sent me to you." Yahweh is God's personal name. That is His own name. It is the name He gives Himself as the God who has made His covenant with His people. He is the God who is the same yesterday, today, and forever, who will always be faithful to His promises. That is God's personal and special name. You should know as you read the NIV or any other English Bible that usually they will put four capital letters, L-O-R-D, to translate Yahweh. Whenever you see those four capitals, you know that is what is there in the Hebrew. If you see capital L and then a small o-r-d, then it is Adonai in the Hebrew.

>Let us look at one example of this. A famous example, which is one that Jesus Himself quotes in one of His discussions with people, is Psalm 110: "The LORD says to my Lord." Now, as you read your English Bible and see Psalm 110:1, you know immediately which words are used in the Hebrew. The first LORD is Yahweh, God's personal name. The second is Adonai. Both of those terms are used frequently for God in the Old Testament. If you think about it, the term El or Elohim, God, the Mighty One, the Great One, could be used of any of the other gods worshipped by the people around Israel. It could be used of Baal or of Moloch. The term Adonai could be used of any of the other gods. Baal could be called Baal Adonai, Lord Baal. But Yahweh is only used of God Himself because it is His personal name. That is the Hebrew.\

Also the Canaanites were described as clearly pagan in the bible.

>>623615

I know Steven Anderson is usually seen as meme or a joke, and not without reason, but he really knocked it out of the park on this subject.

>>623615

Here's a simple one I find most compelling:

I exist,

therefore I was created,

Therefore there is a creator who is logically perfect,

I am not in union with the creator,

My ancestor must have cut himself off from the creator by rebelling against him,

A sin against an infinite being creates an infinite chasm that can't be reconciled by a finite being,

An infinite chasm can only be broached by an infinite reconciliation,

Only God can provide that infinite reconciliation by sacrificing himself,

God can only sacrifice himself if he takes on the human nature,

This requires a multipersonal God who can interact with his creation.

Catholicism is the only logical explanation of theism

>>623660

OP here, that's pretty long. I'm free tonight, I'll watch the whole video when I'm done working

>>623640

>There is nothing unique about Christianity that makes it different than any other religious belief.

Well, the sacrificial victim in Christianity is innocent. Usually the sacrificial victim in a myth is guilty.

>>623640

But that's just not true lol Literally.

Vid related, and books related in pic. Idk where you get this idea.

>>623640

>There is nothing unique about Christianity that makes it different than any other religious belief.

Well then:

1) Christianity had a clear beginning and a few hundred years later it had converted the most powerful Empire in the world without even taking up arms. And this despite being persecuted for their believes several times.

2) Christianity is not legalistic and it is not about achieving some enlightened state. It recognizes that we all fall short of the glory of God and are in need of divine grace. We cannot reach paradise on our own, we need Christ or we are lost. In its most extreme form you can formulate this in the Protestant understanding of "No works-based salvation, saved by Grace alone", but even if you don't go as far, Christians recognize that man alone cannot do it on his own.

>>623716

This.

Jesus paid it all,

all to Him I owe.

Sin had left it's crimson stain;

He washed it white as snow.

>>623615

Why do you cast doubt on the faith that requires a phrase to be uttered and the belief that the phrase works and that's that?

It must be a legitimate faith if you can rattle that off as your last breath because might as well do it.

It's real

>>623615

>Prove to me that there is…

>Prove to me that the idea of…

>Prove to me that Christianity and Judaism…

Consider trying to do research yourself instead of trying to start arguments and flame wars on a Christian board.

>>623660

This video is hilarious. I love when he gets to Hinduism. I do wonder if atheists who use this argument would find this video convincing though, or just too silly