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that nigga's got a sword

I do not know his content much. I saw few episodes of Vortex and I quite liked it. I think he fights the good fight.

Churchmilitant.com seems to be a good news source also.

Anyone more familiar with it?

>>623435

Same limited exposure. Same opinion on it.

I know the meme monastery made a video about him being an ex-sodomite, something Voris doesn't deny. Which is fine. He's seemingly repented and does not promote sodomy at all. Meme monastery implies that he's still a sodomite, though, which isn't good.

>>623430

Lame.

>>623430

Seems like a fine guy. P good educator of the plebs.

>>623434

>>623463

>anime

Disgusting. Unhealthy entertainment.

>>623479

It ain't the medium its the message.

seems like pretty good guy

his sword is gay tho

>>623493

Agreed, a proper Christian sword is something like a One handed sword, Saber, Cutlass, Rapier, or Short sword or dagger like a Seax or Kindjal

He started an unnecessary spat with the remnant. His shilling against the SSPX is annoying even though I'm sure he means well.

>>623498

I use falchion personally

>>623498

His sword looks to be a gladius, anon

>>623504

looks to big to be a gladius

>>623504

addition: actually it looks like a Lakonia due to blade shape (which looks wrong for a gladius)

>>623482

>>623490

Anime is a mutiny against masculinity, morality, and truth. Every anime promotes femininity by promoting cutesy design and attitude of female characters and even male characters. It might be okay if the target audience for anime are girls, but no, most anime are targeted towards men. It subverts your minds from a supra emotional level. Do you think traps were inspired by crossdressing characters in anime? No, not specifically. Anime releases the repressed femininity within you, making you more accepting of things that are normally exclusive to female behaviors, or even strive for them. And yes, even the most "masculine" looking anime promotes this kind of femininity.

Read this article:

https://medium.com/@rftbk/masculinity-anime-and-gender-dysphoria-8d682abcec54

Moreover, anime is banal. Anime is devoid of morality and emotional depth, which is necessary in creating a good art.

http://www.denisdutton.com/tolstoy.htm

A good art is not an art that creates pleasure, but an art that transmits emotions among people and rejoin them in a spiritual union, and therefore make them work together towards a better future. Hence, a good art has to express the author's yearning for the meaning of life itself. Not anime, anime misleads you from such vision. It's focus on the attractiveness of human physiology and it's detraction from a mindful state of mind render it as nothing but a hollow aesthetic barbarism.

So, even as a medium, anime is not a healthy entertainment in any form whatsoever.

Does anyone have the Michael Voris James White gif? You know the one I'm talking about.

>>623513

Anime eternally BTFO!

>>623517

>Philosophers of the Enlightenment saw beauty as a way in which lasting moral and spiritual values acquire sensuous form

>no Romantic painter, musician, or writer would have denied that beauty was the final purpose of his art

I cringed at this. "Beauty as the final purpose of art" is actually a really heretical and pagan way of thinking. I suggest you to read that Tolstoy article. If beauty was the center of art, then anime would be high art.

>>623526

> "Beauty as the final purpose of art"

Hes refering to the Romantic style of art and not all art

>>623533

I think all art should be judged by the same standard. I don't repudiate beauty and endorse ugliness, but beauty is far less important in art than the expression of feelings. It can be seen in our spiritual belief. If beauty was so important, then why was Christ born a peasant and why did He suffer the most terrifying death? Our desire to enjoy beauty shouldn't subvert the reality of life. This attitude will bring us to the aesthetic barbarism and immoral vitalism of Nazi Germany and Paganism.

>>623545

Oh, I agree, in this case the part you picked out was about the Romantic style of art in particular, in the case of the article he is more riling against "modern art" and its subversion of all things proper art has stood for, it communicates nothing but ugliness for the sake of ugliness and so on.

>>623430

Well intended but he surpasses his own authority and expertise regularly on matters he has no say on.

>>623513

Well you know, asians are full of soy.

>>623558

I have heard that soy sauce is fermented and does not contain as much phytoestrogens? Is this just a soy sauce lovers' conspiracy? Or is this truth?

>>623548

To be honest, I'm glad that modern art exists. Modern art's deconstruction of the standards of beauty in art should teach us not to judge art by it's beauty. It's very easy to deconstruct beauty because beauty is not an objective value. Morality, non-artificiality, and accessibility however, are not subjective. We can't fight against modern art using our ideas of beauty which is inherently subjective. If the standards of art were the moral values it contains, how spiritually profound and novel the expression is (unlike the shallow, selfish, and pretentious expression of modern art that screams individuality), and how easy it is to comprehended by anyone (unlike the blatantly confusing avant garde attitude of modern art), modern art wouldn't stand a chance in the academia.

>>623430

Church Militant TV's Michael Voris Reveals His Dark Past

He lived as a Sodomite for his entire adult life. After his mother died he claims he repented and started attending Mass and taking the Eucharist. Problem is the timeframe he gave for when he ceases practicing Sodomy in an earlier statement and when he started taking Communion doesn't line up. Apparently he was taking Communion while still practicing sodomy. I watched a video that put his statements on a timeline.

>>623682

Exactly, while God will forgive Voris for his past sins and transgressions, and while I'm in no position to question his salvation and his standing before God; that man is in no position to be teaching others about the Way of Life.

>>623693

He might have just been mixed up with his memories. It happens. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, but you have to be on the lookout for infiltrators.

>>623463

>But thrives on being a huge alarmist that inspires defeatism amongst people

You have no idea of how bad things are

>>623513

Even the anti-anime posting Catholic guy that wrote essays on his hatred eventually came back and admitted he was wrong. Yet people still do this.

Also, did you actually even read the blogpost you linked? If anything, it demolishes your argument.

>>623698

> If anything, it demolishes your argument.

not the same anon you were responding to, but can you specify?

>>623673

St. Paul reveals dark past

Understanding Gary Michael Voris

>>623590

>Do you read the articles you post? The first is written by an anti-masculinity SJW namefag as he waxes on about cuck/a/'s trannies. His entire argument rests on the assumption that masculinity "represses" men and enjoying anything cute is feminine, and concludes that in order to solve the tranny problem we must abolish gender roles altogether.

His solution to the problem by abolishing gender is ridiculous, but there is truthfulness in his essay on gender dysphoria. His argument might rest on the assumption that masculinity represses femininity, but there is a factual basis behind this. Men are not supposed to be obsessed by femininity. Playing dolls and dress ups is for women, men don't normally care about these, and therefore, they shun men who do and consider that behavior in men to be revolting. Being a repressed effeminate himself, he understands this problem better than I do for he has experienced it himself.

>Does a man become feminine by marrying a cute wife or recognizing cuteness in his pets and children?

There's a study that concludes that men with high testosterone associate feminine faces with adultery, and therefore prefer slightly more mediocre looking females to be made as wife, they value loyalty more than attractiveness. A man may recognize cuteness, but he doesn't spend his time looking up cute pictures of cats and babies, that's something females do. When a man chooses a pet, he chooses the one that's the most loyal instead of the cutest, that's why unattractive dogs are often regarded as masculine pets. Obsession to cuteness is a feminine thing.

>Don't project the insecurities of a tiny, mentally damaged minority onto everyone.

I don't assume that all anime loving men develop autogynephilia, but I reckon that it's not a masculine behavior to be obsessed with anime art direction to the point where you post with avatars of cute girls.

>Can you not see the beauty in this?

But does it look beautiful? Only a psychopath or a masochist see beauty in an image of suffering. As explained in Tolstoy's book, we tend to confuse the term of goodness with beauty. The truth is, what is good may not always look beautiful, more often than not good deeds make you fear and tremble. Is poverty beautiful? Not at all, but the holy men choose to live in poverty.

>>623698

>Even the anti-anime posting Catholic guy that wrote essays on his hatred eventually came back and admitted he was wrong.

Who? Elaborate yourself

>Also, did you actually even read the blogpost you linked? If anything, it demolishes your argument.

No, it strengthens my argument that anime is a revolt against masculinity.

>>623694

Well you're right, I shouldn't be the one to cast stones. However, why did Voris only supply this information when he felt like he was going to get caught? You realize he most likely did this as a pre-emptive measure, on top of that I saw Voris' website being shilled on the Drudge Report a few times and we know a thing or two about Matt Drudge himself. Why not make it a central part of his story coming out of the gay community, he didn't have to keep it under the covers.

>>623717

>>623768

E Michael Jones is correct yet again.

When I first heard him denounce Voris, I thought it was a personal attack but now it’s so obvious that I can’t stand to hear his voice.

At best, he is a deceiver; at worst, he is a homosexualist infiltrator, controlled opposition

>>623768

You're right that it seems very suspicious, but personally I don't noise around my past sexual sins, and obviously being a (former) Sodomite is not something Voris is proud of, and I don't blame him for not telling everyone. Sodomy is an abhorrent and embarassing and disgusting practice even to nonbelievers, despite political correctness. He should be ashamed of his Sodomy, but get over it and move on, because Christ already paid for those sins. I understand why he wouldn't air them in public unless he felt that he had to.

There's a reason why confession was made private. Obligating believers to confess their sins before the whole congregation can have very bad results. A lot of cults do that as a way to destroy their members and enforce totalitarian control. I don't think Voris had a duty to confess his past publicly, but you're right that it does raise an eyebrow that he didn't.

Voris' past might indeed compromise the integrity of his condemnations of homosexuality and homosexual infiltration of the clergy, but if he did indeed repent and confess privately and no longer engages in Sodomy, then he isn't a hypocrite, and it doesn't compromise his statements on homosexuality or any other topic. All the content of his I've seen is blameless.

There are signs to watch out for, but some false Christians like Judas can be impossible to spot. Voris hasn't said or done anything that we can't give him the benefit of the doubt on. I believe his repentance is sincere and I hope for his salvation.

>>623773

Michael Voris has a duty to be as upfront as possible because he's in a leadership position and in a prominent visible role. It's none of my business to nose around any random person's sexual past — that's between you and God — but if you're in a leadership position then you have a duty to be as transparent as possible, to be as upfront as possible. This applies to any leadership position, not just in Church. Furthermore, I'll just say this, I won't let Michael Voris to babysit my children, and I won't allow Michael Voris to teach Sunday School to a group of children given his recent past. Frankly, I don't believe Michael Voris is qualified to be in that position and should step down. This isn't a question regarding his salvation before the Lord Jesus Christ, but Church leadership should be reserved for those who are qualified as outlined in The First Epistle of Paul to Timothy.

Those depressions on his face? "Lipodystrophy". Caused by AIDS drugs. Means he's got HIV

I like The Vortex and I think the Catholic hierarchy should take him more seriously. He's raising some vital issues, coming down hard on sodomy especially. Regarding Michael Voris himself, I think the strongest voices against the dark are the ones who have taken a step into the abyss and realized how bad it is. The only concerning thing is I wonder if he is actually regenerate in the faith, because he has not adopted a heterosexual lifestyle and instead has made a vow of celibacy. I firmly believe that homosexuality is removed when someone gives their life up for Christ. There are many such testimonies. The other reason he might've taken a vow of celibacy though, is if he has HIV (which he does seem to have some facial disfigurement characteristic of the associated retroviral treatment).

>>623715

St. Paul was not a homosexual.

>>623782

All true. But he's just a talking head. He's a layman, and not speaking for the church in any official capacity, and he isn't in any pastoral position, nor does his job give him access to children. He isn't really a leader per se. I don't know if Timothy applies (have to reread it). You're right that he's in a prominent visible role in the community, though, and his past could scandalize people. (There are far worse cases.) Maybe he should step down. Nothing anyone can really do about it except maybe stop giving his channel views.

>>623717

That's a fascinating discussion, thanks for linking it.

>>623783

>You're taking the ramblings of an emotionally damaged proto-tranny

I'm not a proto-tranny yet I can see the truth in some of his words.

>assuming it applies to all men who watch the loosely-defined Cute Girls Doing Cute Things genre.

Once again, I don't assume that everyone who watches anime will desire to become girls. But here's what I'm really saying. Anime as a medium is harmful because subverts masculinity by introducing immensely feminine values, not to women, but to adult men. Pay attention to what the blogger said.

"Generally, all the main characters are female. Male characters tend to be rare, sometimes entirely absent from the series. The context is oftentimes a girls’ high-school or something similar.

And all the characters are ultra-feminine blobs of cuteness who tend to express their utter joy in life in the most cheerful and dramatic ways possible, or at least represent various stereotypes of femininity that exist in Japanese culture. They showcase purified, sterilized, highly idealized versions of femininity.

So this is like My Little Pony and “bronies” then, right? Adult men creating a subculture around cartoons made for young girls?

Well, not quite. These anime are made for men. The official target demographic is more often than not “seinen,” meaning adolescent boys and young men, sometimes older men even. Which is also why the female characters are frequently covertly or overtly sexualized. (I won’t even get into the whole pedophilic aspect of it.)

The Japanese seem to have learned to turn the repressed femininity of young men into profit."

If this isn't a subversion of masculinity, then tell me what it is. And you're talking like you're not familiar with the otaku culture in japan. Popularity of traps, harem, and romance comedy are on the rise. Anime preys on the sexually frustrated and socially inept.

>Most people watch CGDCT because they're tired of modern women on some level and want something better, whether they acknowledge it or not.

Spoken like a true /r9k/. Even the bible tells us it's the best for us not to have desire for women in the first place. There's no need to care what those degenerate women do. Turn it into a reminder that the world isn't perfect and therefore we should strive for salvation instead of worldly goods. Such escapism detracts us from the true meaning of life and the true condition of the world we live in.

>Comparing people who want a breather from sluts and degeneracy to fags who play with dolls is insulting at best and dishonest at worst.

Prove the otherwise. You can't. Girls play with dolls because dolls are cute. Weebs watch anime because?

>I've been working on a theory of beauty that's different from both Tolstoy and the people he's responding to, and I'll probably post a thread about it tomorrow to get some feedback and criticism.

Take your time. Read Tolstoy's book first before making such conclusions and creating your own theories.

>>623785

What's your beef? Celibacy is better than heterosexuality. Being celibate as a commitment for Christ is as virtuous as you can get. In regard of why he doesn't adopt a heterosexual lifestyle, of course it's because he doesn't like women sexually. No, there's no such thing as homosexuality magically disappearing after you turn to Christ. It's a cross you must bear for the rest of your life. Everyone has their own cross, and sacrificing yourself can even mean that you must bear an even larger cross.

>>623786

He was a mass murderer. Even worse.

>>623808

>No, there's no such thing as homosexuality magically disappearing after you turn to Christ.

Oh, no? All things are possible with God. I haven't looked into homosexual conversion but it seems a little too convenient for the "born that way" liberal article of faith that no one has ever overcome same sex attraction, exclusive or non-exclusive.

>>623813

To overcome yourself means to decline your bodily desires, even if the desire still exists. Like, for example, do you abstain from eating when you're fasting because you hate food? No, you still desire to eat food, you're just overcoming that desire.

>>623808

>What's your beef?

No beef at all.

>there's no such thing as homosexuality magically disappearing after you turn to Christ

It seems your version of Jesus Christ is leww powerful than the one worshipped by regenerate ex-homosexuals. You should seek out those testimonies; there's plenty on YouTube.

>>623816

less powerful*

>>623816

I don't really believe them because I've never seen the heterosexual equivalent of suddenly not having sexual temptations after being celibate. Maybe they're just lying, maybe they weren't gay to begin with, it's just even the devout men, probably even more devout than them, still struggle with temptations.

>>623822

I don't blame you for being skeptical; I was too. But these are men and women who completely surrender to Christ, and find themselves with natural affections afterwards. They invariably go on to get married and have children. The only more surefire testimony would be literal martyrdom.

>>623822

Wasn't it St Aquinas who prayed to be delivered from his sexual desire toward women and God delivered that day?

>>623823

It's not that I'm skeptical. I don't doubt that God can give you any grace if He wills, but He doesn't just give it out like that. Maybe you can link one who you think might be genuine then, so I can hear their life resolutions or something.

>>623825

I've never read anything about this, but it would make sense because God gifted him with great intelligence, and he swore to devote everything he had to become a philosopher.

>>623915

That's actually a really funny story anon. And regarding Aquinas, what I got from that story is sexual desire was the only thing keeping Aquinas from becoming a fully committed slave of God and he was willing to sacrifice everything for it. Therefore there's a logical reason why God graced him asexuality, he was ready to bear a heavier cross. But still, it's just a miracle, no human logic can comprehend it, and not everyone has that grace. That's why I consider that anon's assertion that you can "pray the gay away" to be ridiculous. Not all homosexuals are the same, homosexuality is not a curse, some people are just demanded to carry their cross for the rest of their life.

>>623926

>"pray the gay away"

You can stop with the straw men. You can find those testimonies online, if you don't want to believe them, fine. But you won't even seek them out, because you've made up your mind (even though the Bible clearly states otherwise in 1 Corinthians).

>>623928

I'm trying to seek them out, and so far I haven't found any convincing source. You made those claims, how about you try to help me?

>>623931

You talk like a God-hating atheist, and I don't believe you've sought out any testimonies whatsoever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2CLbl2wAD4

Turns out "pray the gay away" and "gay conversion therapy" are not the best queries for searching this stuff. I tried a new query, "ex-gay testimony". There's a lengthy video of a testimony by a man named Carlos Catari, but in the beginning of the video he stated that his sexual abuse as a child was the source of his homosexual tendencies. It's definitely not the case with every gay out there.

>>623932

I don't want to be judgemental or self righteous here, but I sense a lot of negativity from you. Yes, I will watch it, thank you, but calling me a God hating atheist imo is going a bit too far.

>>623933

That makes sense, since those terms are used for slanderous mockery of the work of Jesus Christ.

>Carlos Catari

Good example of a person who approached God the wrong way and failed to be delivered from homosexuality until a full surrender. I didn't call you a God-hating atheist, but I apologize for my sharp tone. It's just that phraseology set me on alert. God bless you.

>>623915

>sperged out

>didn't covert the whore

Truly no saint is perfect before he dies

God bless y'all for this thread! Not only we are debating homosexuality and possible infiltrators, but also debating masculinity and anime; wish we could write a theological essay on these topics…imagine the face on tomorrow's historians and theologians.

Outed homosexual. Though he may be genuinely repentant, he was caught doing homosexual acts and actively being a homosexual WHILE doing his "hardcore trad-cath" show.

Feel free to disregard.

He's very similar to the homosexual hard rights in the "alt-right" sphere.

>>623770

This man gots the right idea.

>>624011

>Greenstein

>Stein

>oy vey!

That's it, etherosexuality is a Jewish ploy, back to my old sodomite habits.

Just kidding; glad to see more people getting free of the LGBT+ community virus.

>>623572

>>623572

>beauty is not an objective value

you have to go back.

>>623808

>besmirching the apostle to the gentiles to make your eceleb look better

There was a point you needed to stop and that was a while ago

>>623717

Hey, thanks for linking this brother. I just watched the whole thing. I think the main takeaway here is the issue of Church leadership vs. simply being saved which is a similar point that's been discussed here except they do a great job of analyzing the situation without delving into petty personal attacks. If you're a fan of Church Militant and Michael Voris, I encourage you to watch this because at the end of the day, we follow Jesus Christ and not some man, everybody has faults and everybody is open to fair criticism and each one of you have a right to know. Frankly, this discussion doesn't just apply to Michael Voris, but applies to any individual in a leadership position as well. God bless.

>>623966

Nobody is born gay, friend. Even the atheists 1 generation ago knew that; just check the old DSM versions before we started to go full Weimar/SJW. Further, the Bible tells us so.

>>624055

>sex is "detestable, shameful, and unnatural"

that's why nobody takes your religion seriously these days :)

>>624216

I didn't know homosexuals acts were the only for of sexual intercourse possible.

>>624216

Do you realize that those are just opinions, and that opinions are of no matter to the truth?

>>624216

First of all, that's not what I said and you twisted my original statement. You are a liar, a disgusting liar who is perverted and sick in the head, your worldview is so warped that you can't think straight and you have to resort to such a low-ball tactic. I suggest you repent and humbly ask God to give you a new heart and a new mind and ask for the Blood of Jesus to cleanse you while you are still alive on this pitiful little planet.

Second, I suggest you watch this video, E. Michael Jones does a great job explaining why Michael Voris is not qualified to be in a Church leadership position. Again, this isn't regarding one's salvation, God forgives all sins (except for two) and God will forgive you of your homosexuality if you truly repent from your heart.

>>623673

Good vid even though it's most meme monastery.

Voris says he frequented the sacraments before he changed.

>>624199

>Nobody is born gay, friend

When you ask gays/lesbians about when they started liking boys/girls. Most of the answers will be since highschool, since college, or since middle school. I don't really consider most of them to be born gay, probably just bi, I'd even suspect some of them to be political gay, what I mean is not naturally having any homosexual attraction, but due to our degenerate society endorsing and even approving homosexuality, they find it convenient to be gay as well. Not a few people "quit" being gay. But there's this one young Polish woman, I know her but I'm not gonna tell her name, who claimed that she started liking girls when she was 5. Believe it or not. I believe her because she's a friend of mine even though she's not a christian, and she's always been drawing lesbian stuff since she was a kid, it's her hobby.

It's a rare phenomenon, but it's not the only occurrence I know of being born gay. Of course it's not an excuse to adopt a gay lifestyle.

>the Bible tells us so

False. Matthew 19:12. "Some are incapable of marriage because they were born so." Hey, some babies were born without a brain, anything could happen, don't be naive. This is a gritty world we live in.

>>624093

>I get the impression everything you know about anime is based off this guy's blog and getting fed up with anime reaction images.

Actually that's plain wrong buddy. I was a closet semi-weeb back in highschool, though not anymore since I've discovered much healthier hobbies now that I know better. But I still have a relatively vast knowledge of anime for an anime hater.

>There is absolutely nothing wrong, subversive, or anti-masculinity about female characters being feminine.

Of course there's nothing wrong with barbie and bratz dolls being feminine, but covertly making boys playing barbie and bratz? That's human abuse.

>Anime and classic western media have feminine women because people like them, not some effort to brainwash sensitive dudes into becoming trannies as a certain butthurt proto-tranny would tell you

I've never said it's an "effort to brainwash", but the creators and fans of anime themselves certainly have issues with testosterone deficiency, or (not so) repressed femininity, or something. I pity them, but it's a harmful medium they bring. People back in WW2 may used to fap to betty boobs and pinup girls, but it was nothing compared to the obsession we have today. It has gone way beyond sexual attraction. Nowadays obsession of anime girls is mostly caused by thirst for intimacy, loneliness, adoration, and even autogynephilia. You know, seeing those little cgdct chicks living their lives cheerfully.

>Also, check any list of current anime releases or anime released over the past several years and you'll find that, surprisingly to a newfag, Cute Girls Doing Cute Things is a very small genre making up a tiny sliver of all anime being released.

Yeah, most are self insert shonen crap with an effeminate looking twink main character and hot chicks surrounding him. There are also cute boys doing cute things making up quite a portion that are popular among fujoshits. Even the non CGDCT shows will have cute girls and cute boys. I mean, look at this crap, count how many of these shows have no cute girls or cute boys on the front cover. 0, that's how many.

https://myanimelist.net/anime/season

>they're just from shows which happen to feature feminine women, which was fucking normal for all nations' art and stories before the 20th century poz hit hard

And none possessed the captivating power of anime.

>although the Apostle Paul does promote celibacy to certain people

He basically said it's better for you to get married than to go to hell for fapping all the time. So, his point is celibacy is better than heterosexuality.

>>624055

>St. Paul was originally a misguided zealot following in accordance with the Mosaic Law. Michael Voris on the other hand participated in detestable, shameful, and unnatural acts of homosexuality with other men, with full knowledge of the Gospel.

I reckon so, but full knowledge of the gospel? He only started becoming a militant catholic in 2003, maybe before his mother's death he wasn't very caring of his religion.

>very recent homosexual past

He's 56 years old. He said that he indulged in homosexual acts in his 20's-30s, that's more than 20 years ago.

>Furthermore, he especially should not have any contact with children, ever.

Not all homosexuals are pedophiles, and I'm sure not all pedophiles are gay. The cunnyposters on old /tv/ definitely weren't gay. The reason why most pedophiles are gay is because most self proclaimed homosexuals aren't really homosexuals, but just huge perverts who are willing to sleep with anything that moves as long as it's taboo. It's deviancy that turns them on.

>The very fact that you would even dare imply Michael Voris is just as much of a saint than St. Paul shows how ignorant you are regarding this issue.

No, the very fact that you accuse me of implying that Voris is as much as a saint as Paul shows how ignorant you are.

>Voris' explanation of his "repentance" story does not line up

I'll look more into this though.

>>624532

>Not all homosexuals are pedophiles

And not all tigers are maneaters. It's best to keep children away from all Sodomites and tigers alike.

>>624535

I wouldn't equate man to animals.

>>624520

I think what's even more interesting that this particular subject is the fact that, all pre-1990's data detailing the extensive correlation between childhood trauma and homosexuality has been scrubbed from Google results. Just a year or two ago, this was not the case. It's getting harder and harder to use the internet to find politically incorrect facts. The fact is, like I said, is that the DSM classified homosexuality and "trans" as psychological disorders. The data hasn't changed, just the politically allowable opinion. We live in an age where professors are fired for suggesting that men and women have biological differences.

On to the subject at hand: most homosexuals will candidly tell you about the older man who molested them as a child. Also, most homosexual men have a broken or non-existent relationship with their father. Here is a hidden camera at a gay night club, with a bunch of testimony to this fact:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXGlawiibK8

There is absolutely no proof that people are born gay, despite millions dumped into research to find that elusive "gay gene". However we have plenty of data to show it occurs as a result of psychological damage. Why would you presume "born that way" exists, then?

>the Bible tells us so

>False. Matthew 19:12. "Some are incapable of marriage because they were born so."

You're misinterpreting the verse.

https://www.gotquestions.org/eunuch-eunuchs.html

"Natural eunuchs include those who are born with a physical defect, but they also comprise those who are born with no real desire for marriage or sex. Forced eunuchs are those who have been castrated for whatever reason. Voluntary eunuchs are those who, in order to better serve the Lord in some capacity, choose to forego marriage. God calls some people to remain single (and therefore celibate). Paul speaks of those who serve the Lord in their unmarried state in 1 Corinthians 7:7—9.

Some gay groups argue that Jesus was referring to homosexuals when He mentioned eunuchs who were “born that way.” However, the Bible never uses the words homosexual and eunuch interchangeably. Furthermore, eunuchs are never referred to in Scripture as being in sin, while homosexuality is universally condemned in both the Old and New Testaments."

>>624553

Deuteronomy 23:18 and Revelation 22:15 refer to Sodomites as "dogs."

>>623513

This is the wokest post on this site to date

>>624530

>Of course there's nothing wrong with barbie and bratz dolls being feminine, but covertly making boys playing barbie and bratz? That's human abuse.

That's not the same as watching a show with a romantic or cute vibe

>I've never said it's an "effort to brainwash", but the creators and fans of anime themselves certainly have issues with testosterone deficiency, or (not so) repressed femininity, or something.

Yes, that's not anti-anime to say that; Miyasaki said there is a problem.

>but it was nothing compared to the obsession we have today.

Men, look at the movies, nowadays and back then, women are always there for the love of their beauty, cuteness, and for romanticism. Men always obsessed on women, to some point there is an excess.

>Nowadays obsession of anime girls is mostly caused by thirst for intimacy, loneliness

Like for everything romantic. For "adoration and autogynephilia" you don't back it up with arguments, so I won't take it seriously.

>twink

Is it normal to use gay vocabulary ?

>Oh no ! there is cute girls in anime ! That's so much different from western media and traditional media ! When we use girls we use ugly not attractive girls we don't want to be affectionate to !

>And none possessed the captivating power of anime.

ohoh boy, media never possessed the same captivating power as nowadays

>He basically said it's better for you to get married than to go to hell for fapping all the time. So, his point is celibacy is better than heterosexuality.

Yes, and the christian, called to perfection must progressively quit any secular entertainment.

Watch some Miyasaki, hyouka, spice and wolf or others. You will see it's just romanticism or hymns to the beauty of girls not even necessarily at the center of the story.

>>624609

Well, I guess I am not going to last much longer then…

Death indeed is the wager of sin.

>>624615

Treatments for HIV have advanced pretty far. Doctors can keep people with it alive for a while with expensive drugs.

>>624616

It's the drugs that cause facial wasting, buffalo hump, etc.

>>624616

I should get tested, but in a way I don’t care nor want to know: if I have it then I deserve all the misery which comes from it; if I’m clean, I want to live with that fear as a reminder and giving thanks to God.

>>624618

Huh. Googling buffalo hump now.

>>624619

You have the duty to take care of your health. You body doesn't belong to you. It belongs to God. Get tested. If you're positive, get treatment, and use you extra time to perform good works in service of God.

>>624624

Should I? I already f’ed up badly anyway…

>>624629

Really? Google "sounding". Yuck.

>>624632

I recall this term and its meaning…old me and his depravity.

>said he was a sodomite in his 20s and 30s

>also said he went to seminary for 2 years in the 80s

>Didn't turn his life around until his mother's death (he was in his 40s)

It just keeps getting worse.

>>624556

>most homos are child rape victims with family issues

I don't deny that. However, most is not all.

>psychological disorders

Most psychological disorders are incurable, aren't they? The mentally disordered are just trying their best to cope with it.

>There is absolutely no proof that people are born gay, despite millions dumped into research to find that elusive "gay gene".

Millions? I've only heard one research from 3 years ago. With the small sample size and the amount of people who lie about being born gay, I'd take that research with a grain of salt.

>However, the Bible never uses the words homosexual

Neither did the bible addressed autism, down syndrome, dyslexia, ocd, psychosis, or any of those mental disorders even though these disorders may retard a person's process in finding and accepting God's love. The bible isn't a science book, it only emphasizes the spiritually important things.

There's another thing I want to say. I'm an asexual myself so I don't consider my figures to be absolutely correct, but I think homosexuality is one of the easiest mental disorders to "fake". Maybe fake isn't the most correct term, it's "wrongly diagnosed". Because you see, like it or not, most men are born as "soft bisexual". I mean, just look how many "straight" porns out there that involve the display of penises or naked men. Men admire the male body and sexually relate with an image of the penis, this is a part of the natural function to drive men to have sex and physically improve themselves, but I theorize that this is also at the fault for homoeroticism. The amount of penis in straight porns is the proof for this, I reckon masturbators are more obsessed with the penis than the non-masturbators. Even though there are men who are born homosexual out there, what it takes for a man to have sex with other men isn't just homosexuality, it takes balls and extreme perversion.

For homosexuality in females, it's a different case. It has been scientifically proven that most women are naturally bisexual. It's a part of their motherly instinct for two women to take care of their children while their husbands are gone or dead. It's far easier for a female to "fake" homosexuality, because it's a part of nearly all females. There are a lot of evidence that supports this such as the Class S phenomenon in japan, the amount of straight women in lesbian porn compared to straight men in gay porn, pornhub's favorite genre for women being lesbian porn, yuri hime's audience being mostly female, 80% of yuri authors being female, and so on.

So what I conclude is, I actually agree with your argument that most gays aren't actually gay, but the cause of homosexual issue goes far beyond our scientific knowledge. It's easy to fake homosexuality or rewire our brains to accept homosexuality (unless you're asexual). Due to the genetic diversity of mankind and man's capability of self denial, we'll never come up with a solid scientific evidence regarding this subject. All I can say is there are christians who are legitimately struggling with homosexual attraction. Da Vinci and Michaelangelo are enough proof for me that some people are born with homosexuality even when they're devout christians.

I rebuke the gay community for claiming that being an absolute pervert means that you were born different, but I don't disagree with the notion that a really small piece of earth's population are really born gay, only not THAT many.

>>624560

No, it said the unchaste. So adulterers in general.

>>624841

Yes, the unchaste includes Sodomites. Sodomy is is a gross form of unchastity. The Deuteronomy verse refers to male temple prostitutes, not the unchaste in gerneral. Sodomites are dogs, and there's no fault in referring to them as such. My comparing them to tigers is too much of a compliment, and I retract it for that reason.

As for the rest of your post, you've made many, many assumptions there, reached for many false conclusions, and conflated things that are seperate.

>>624843

Verse 17 says: "There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel." So it explicitly addresses both sexual orientations.

>As for the rest of your post, you've made many, many assumptions there, reached for many false conclusions, and conflated things that are seperate.

Such as?

>>624846

And that's the KJV translation. The Douay Rheims translation is different: "There shall be no whore among the daughters of Israel, nor whoremonger among the sons of Israel."

>>624846

So yes, it is correct to refer to Sodomites as dogs.

>sexual orientations

Here's your problem! You've actually swallowed the modernist politicalized construct that Sodomy is a sexual orientation or personal identity. And you project that construct onto the Bible of all places. You're actually using pop psy political buzzwords in discussing the word of God.

Examine that false assumption. That idea of yours is manmade, and not of God, and the approach to sexuality that you've built on top of it as evidenced in your other post is rotten from the ground up. I could go through and point out the rottenest parts, but once you pull out that foundation the whole thing falls down anyway.

There's no such thing as sexual orientation. There's no such thing as asexuality, bisexuality, or homosexuality. Theres no such thing as gender being seperate from sex. These are just modernist ideology, and you're just taking them for granted and basing your pet theories on them and using pornography of all things as data. Nothing in the ideas you've presented is remotely Biblical or Christian.

>>624867

>So yes, it is correct to refer to Sodomites as dogs.

I don't disagree, that was a misplaced "no" in my first reply to you. Just saying that all unchaste in general are dogs.

>believing modern science is a problem

Okay, whatever floats your boat. There's nothing wrong with limiting your scientific knowledge to broze age science. There's nothing wrong with being a flat-earther or a creationist just because "science contradicts the bible". But there's nothing science does that contradicts the the bible.

Nobody is born equal, and the bible writers acknowledged that even though they didn't go into it's details or know the state of every living being. But regardless what you are born as, we are designated to follow the same standards, and that's all that matters. There's no excuse for sinning just because you're mentally disabled, we're all demanded to deny ourselves. So, the notion that homosexuality really exists along with other psychological complications a person may be born with does absolutely no harm to our teachings.

>>624873

>depicting masculine men are okay

>depicting feminine women are not okay

No, not like that. I'm saying anime's obsession with femininity, anime that are aimed toward male audience in this regard, to be harmful. It's a matter of the target audience, not the depiction. Masculine animes aren't even that masculine to begin with.

>watching anything with feminine women is like playing with dolls because I say so

Anime girls are doll-like, pretty much. Like dolls, they are depiction of a human female with bigger emphasis on the cute features. Even most of the boys are too.

>>624880

So how would you suggest anime aimed at males or both sexes depict women?

>Masculine animes aren't even that masculine to begin with.

Really makes me wonder what kind of shit you were watching if you honestly believe this.

>>624841

You brought up the argument that eunuchs are homosexuals, but when I debunked that, you moved the goalpost to: the bible is an exhaustive list of disorders. That is totally non-sequiter.

You're a very deceptive man. You duck and dodge the argument and drop context in order to try and win the debate. And now you've revealed that you are sexual dysfunctional, which sheds light on your intense desire to normalize deviancy. I'm done conversing with you, and I hope you come to a saving faith someday.

>>624883

Men should be drawn in ways that emphasize their masculine facial features, look up Loomis' technique, and their gestures need to be a lot more less expressive. The ways women drawn in non-moeblob anime are mostly okay because it's fine to depict females as feminine, but they should be depicted as human beings and not just harem fodders or fetish fuels. And there should be a lot less romance plot, even better without romance. The theme has to be far more thoughtful spiritually. I think Andrei Tarkovsky's films are a perfect example of films that are good for everyone.

>>624901

>but when I debunked that

No, you didn't debunk that. I said that eunuchs are people with no desire to have heterosexual sex and marry one way or another. That would include homosexuals who are born with the disorder.

>the bible is an exhaustive list of disorders

You mean isn't? No, that's sequitur because homosexuality, as in born as a homosexual and not homosexual act, is a disorder. And you're still incapable of proving that homosexuality isn't real without resorting to "modern science is rigged".

>You duck and dodge the argument and drop context in order to try and win the debate.

No, I just see the problem from a bigger scope. I look for the root of the cause.

>you've revealed that you are sexual dysfunctional, which sheds light on your intense desire to normalize deviancy

I'm not a homosexual and I don't desire to normalize deviancy.

>I'm done conversing with you

Maybe it's the best for us both to refrain from this excessively heated debate.

>>624609

Who discovered facial wasting and why didnt they call it "faggot face" syndrome

>>623441

Interesting. Did not know that.

I noticed he bashes faggots a lot. it's like 20% of episodes are anti-faggotry…. which is good.

>>624842

>Miyasaki

I haven't seen everything but he made quite a lot of good shows I have been able to look with my family and parents like "my neighbor totoro" or "princess mononoke". There is no problem with the cute lolis and animals there is. And he have a good reputation in christian's communties.

>Hyouka

>Soy romance crap, no offence. Twink teen boys and their gf, can it get more estrogen fueled than this?

That's ok, you just don't like poetic romance, being thin doesn't mean anything but yes, I know it's sinfull not to watch Rambo-like protagonists lel. But be aware "masculine" movies are egotrip movies, they are sinfull and in no way familiar with real masculinity of daily struggling. They are here for soyboys who need to feel as real men. Soy boy like you that use gay vocabulary, see homosexuality everywhere and like everything filled with viril testosterone and big muscles.

Seems that's the center of your problem.

>And it distracts us from loving God.

Same with your masculine war action movies.

>>625212

>There is no problem with the cute lolis and animals there is.

Miyasaki is pretty okay, but for children and not adults. He also seems to be a bit pedophilic and furry. Like pretty much any anime authors out there to be fair, but still. Just a personal preference but Shrek is unironically a better kid's animated movie than anything by Miyazaki, it's less obnoxious and has less fantastic elements.

>That's ok, you just don't like poetic romance,

Loving another person too much distracts a man from his destiny. The harm of romantic works is how they make loving a person look like the endgame of our life on earth. Well it isn't. How many suicides have been caused by the loss of loved ones or failed romance? A man's destiny is to create and lead, not to love one person.

>being thin doesn't mean anything

Being thin with a feminine face and non masculine personality does. Napoleon Dynamite is thin but he's okay.

>but yes, I know it's sinfull not to watch Rambo-like protagonists lel.

It's not about sinfulness, but the harm it does to your psychology.

>be aware "masculine" movies are egotrip movies, they are sinfull and in no way familiar with real masculinity of daily struggling

I don't endorse ego trip flicks. I think Andrei Rublev is one of the most masculine films ever made, and it's a very realistic film about the struggle of a religious icon painter in the search of vision and motivation. Shonen and seinen animes have a lot more ego trip than western cinema anyway.

>They are here for soyboys who need to feel as real men.

I guess soyboys need to see masculine films indeed to increase their testosterone levels.

>Soy boy like you that use gay vocabulary, see homosexuality everywhere and like everything filled with viril testosterone and big muscles.

Real funny, sweetie pie sugar buns :3

>Same with your masculine war action movies.

Ummm no sweetie. I prefer spaghetti western anyway. No homoerotic display of muscles, only dusty and unkempt broken men carrying their guns along the desert to find something that can fill their void.

>>625108

>Anime with protagonists who are athletic or above their early twenties already do this. Watch different shows.

You mean Fist of the North Star and Jojo type faces? Not quite. If you've studied drawing realistic faces, you'd understand what I'm talking about. Western comics are closer to realism with more masculine facial structures.

>What's the reasoning behind this?

Being reserved is a masculine behavior. I mean, why do you think gaping mouth, autistic gestures, and nintendo are associated with soyboys?

>mainstream male anime protagonists are regularly shat on for being dull and inexpressive by western standards

What I mean is having exaggerated emotions, such as surprise jumping, freaking out, nosebleeding, getting enchanted by a female character, etc. I think this japanese overreaction thing has it's roots in their traditional plays that's famous for their emotional dictation. Western cinema unlike the japanese have progressed away from their theatrical roots. It can be easily seen by comparing japanese comedy style to western comedy. Whereas the staple of western comedy, Beavis and Butthead, shows a relatively abstract and subtle comedic expression (by making the characters funny by actually acting braindead), japanese comedy feels more like standup comedy with gags, "witty" one liners, and everything.

>There's already loads of this. Again, watch different shows.

Maybe a few, mostly no, and most of them are shallow because of the show itself being not so profound.

>The fuck is wrong with romance? It's an important part of western and biblical storytelling

No, the important part of biblical storytelling is piety and self denial. Romance in western storytelling, as explained by Tolstoy, is only popular among the bourgeoise, and isn't much of an artistic novelty.

>There's already lots of this if you pick the right anime.

Lots? I think they're obscure and very scant in number. Profoundness in anime is mostly dominated by the utterly laughable and harmful "philosophy" of Go Nagai and Kentaro Miura, or just convoluted plot. None of them is anywhere near Tarkovsky's Offret and Andrei Rublev, Bunuel's Nazarin, Sokurov's Days of Eclipse, and Dreyer's Ordet. Besides, profoundness in art is also measured by it's emotional expression, something that animated films always do worse than live action. Pasolini's Gospel According to Matthew might be just a straightforward bible adaptation, but it's use of neorealism cinematography and non professional actors give it a very pretense-free communal feeling.

>Tarkovsky is top-tier stuff but not everything has to ape his style

No one should ape his style, but everyone should try to reach the same depth.

>He also preferred Japanese filmmaking over western filmmaking

He praised japanese directors for their simplicity and western directors for their depth, but regarding whose style he did prefer, he always preferred his own style of film making. He would delete shots and scenes which looked similar to his favorite directors'.

>Really man, when you said you used to be a semi-weeb what kind of shit were you watching?

I didn't watch, I mostly read, anime dubbing and music are physically painful. I've read a lot of stuff from Violence Jack to Yuru Yuri. I really despised Oreimo and KissxSis, but I read a bit just to see how taboo they are. I found romcoms to be garbage. I find yuri romance mangas by female authors to be much less annoying than their heterosexual and male counterparts simply because of how unromanticized and unemasculated they are. I still follow Watamote to this day. I watched some classic animes like Akira (which I found to be to convoluted and straying away from the premise it built at the beginning) and some Miyazaki (which I found to be a bit too childish and way too fantastic, japs seem to be obsessed with childhood, not as bad as pixar though). The others seemed unremarkable.

Just to give you an image of how much of a weeb I was/am.

I was okay with him but it seems he is falling into the same problems a lot of traditionalists do.

A disordered attachment to the state of the Church that leads to one to drop charity (in extreme cases schism) and be malicious to the priesthood.

Jesus gives us the clergy we deserve and trust me we deserve these guys.

>>625406

>>625407

Please stay away from /film/ or you'll kill the remaining anons with laughter. You've watched a truly pathetic selection of flavour-of-the month anime (possibly English dubbed) and babby's first classic anime, then get all puffed up and proclaim it isn't like muh art house cinema. The constant insisting that Japan's animation industry turns young men into trannies based off nothing more than a SJW's blogpost and your nitpicks about nips not drawing and acting exactly to your personal taste is just icing on the cake.

>>624842

> furry animes

Nothing wrong with a cute non-lewd kemono: I am a guy who goes to the gym, who is unafraid to talk to women but who has no interest in pursuing a married life. I am also unfit for priesthood, but I try my best to live a good Christian life with my limits and flaws.

Enjoying cute things once in a while whilst reading true literature has not made me weak in the least.

And the more you use terms like "soyboy" the more you make me chuckle…thank God memes die fast.

>>625406

>Miyasaki is pretty okay, but for children and not adults.

Ok then you say animes can be good. It's just you don't live for it. An adult could watch an old disney for child, it's harmless.

>Loving another person too much distracts a man from his destiny.

It stay a fiction, your confusing it with reality. Watching a fiction with two protagnonist loving each other is harmless.

>Being thin with a feminine face and non masculine personality does

For spice and wolf for example the man is pretty normal, but I don't knwo why you think of him like he is a twink or something…

>Shonen and seinen animes have a lot more ego trip than western cinema anyway.

I whouldn't be that sure, since western media can show crude materiality and so can create a strong feeling of power. That's my point with egotrip movie, they are here to feel masculin. Spagetthi are a special case of that (Oh look at me I'm so dark walking in the desert). Being entertained by other men being stylish is harmelss :^)

The discussion is going nowhere anyway sage.

>>625592

Trap culture latches on to femininity, and since the west is doing its best to kill off the feminine trapfags look elsewhere for inspiration. Blaming anime women for creating trapfags is like blaming dresses and the female body for creating trannies or blaming children for creating pedophiles.

>idealization is pagan

I'm going to read What Is Art? before responding to this so I get a better idea where you're coming from, but thanks for the keks.

If you want depth, start with Night on the Galactic Railroad and Serial Experiments Lain. There's a lot more out there but don't expect me to spoonfeed you.

>>625663

>An adult could watch an old disney for child, it's harmless.

If art was food, then kid's films wouldn't fulfill an adult's needs for nutritioun.

>It stay a fiction, your confusing it with reality.

And fiction becomes harmful when it distorts your sense of reality.

>For spice and wolf for example the man is pretty normal

I don't call him a twink, but he's still too cute to be realistic.

>since western media can show crude materiality and so can create a strong feeling of power

Not as much as anime does. In films, I think revenge flicks, power fantasy, and stuff like the ones tarantino made should be avoided, though they still don't have the subconciously hypnotizing power of emasculate anime.

>Spagetthi are a special case of that (Oh look at me I'm so dark walking in the desert).

Only applies to Leone's dollars and their imitators. There are various themes being used in spaghetti western. Lucio Fulci's Four of the Apocalypse, the twist of original Django, and Michele Lupo's California are some of the westerns that break the Leone trope.

>Being entertained by other men being stylish is harmelss

If a boy prefers GI Joe to Barbie, do you think that's a harmful toxic masculinity?

>>625674

>Blaming anime women for creating trapfags is like blaming dresses and the female body for creating trannies or blaming children for creating pedophiles.

But anime females aren't simply femininity, but unrealistically idealized femininity.

>If you want depth, start with Night on the Galactic Railroad and Serial Experiments Lain.

I think the plot of Lain is too surreal to be actually deep, and the other one, I think, is more suitable for children.

On a side note, the christ chan meme was pretty disturbing. It was borderline waifuism, and someone even drew her pregnant. It has no place in /christian/, our mascot must be a real person. Based Quentin drawing her committing homosexual adultery to repulse the waifufags, bless his immoral autism.