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For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
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e78f92 No.622654

What was his problem?

701483 No.622659

too prideful to ask for forgiveness. though he was beyond God’s mercy


701483 No.622660

>>622659

thought


701509 No.622667

>>622654

Nothing really, though he did what he did and all. I can empathize with him the most out of all the people in the NT, and I sincerely hope there was some kind of forgiveness for him.


737571 No.622670

Loved God enough to betray his Son and forever be deemed as a traiter just so the prophecy can be completed and we can all be forgiven


db41dc No.622705

Love of money. It's the root of all kinds of evil you know.


66a93f No.622708

>Sold out Christ for a handful of shekels

He was the most jewish jew to ever live, anon.


0119bc No.622712

>>622654

Thought he knew better than Jesus, figured he could pressure Him into being a Zealot-style warrior-messiah by putting His life in danger. Also, >>622659 and >>622705

>>622667

>I sincerely hope there was some kind of forgiveness for him

That's a good sentiment and all, but

>It would be better for that man if he had never been born.


701509 No.622714

File: b542c18917b58cb⋯.jpg (226.78 KB, 800x1067, 800:1067, #saintjudasiscar.jpg)

>>622712

I know that was said, but I hold out hope that he is a Saint and was fully redeemed. The sins he committed are so relatable it's insane to me.

1) Loved money.

2) Broke vows to Christ and sold him out for a cheap thing that in the end has no value (and never did in the first place, so here he also was deceived).

3) Great despair and suicide.

These things I understand the feel of, so I'll hold out hope for his salvation.


0119bc No.622717

>>622714

God only forgives if you ask Him, and Judas probably never did. Point 3 was probably the actual worst thing he did, because that's what prevented him from asking for forgiveness. Of course, nobody can say that they know 100% for sure who goes to Heaven and who goes to Hell, and for all we know a proper interpretation of Revelation might imply that all the souls in Hell get a second chance at repentance and judgement, so it's not as though praying for Judas is pointless.


66a93f No.622721

>>622717

Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme. But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation.

Can't say I know 100%, but there's a ruddy strong chance old Judas had been told by the Holy Ghost that Christ was the Son of God, seeming as how he was an Apostle.


db41dc No.622741

>>622721

The apostles weren't told that Jesus was the son of God, they figured that out on their own. Sage for off-topic.


66a93f No.622744

>>622741

Matthew 16:17- And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.


4ddab1 No.622763

File: 2a65c5f99c351fc⋯.png (592.9 KB, 1185x1029, 395:343, Absolutely Heretical.png)

>>622714

>This image


808192 No.622823

>>622714

>Judas might've been saved despite Scripture never mentioning such a thing

The absolute state of cathodoxy!


db41dc No.622825

>>622744

I'll post the rest of the passage

>When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say the Son of Man is?”

>They replied, “Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”

>“But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?”

>Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”

>Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven. And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.” Then he ordered his disciples not to tell anyone that he was the Messiah.

You're right, I could've worded my original post better.


5d2279 No.622843

>>622714

>that image

There are really jews on this board.


cd2e26 No.622851

>>622845

bored?


2376d7 No.622857

>>622845

Ayyyy, broken-english poster! Where'd you crawl out of? Haven't seen your enraged posts in a while.


251d6a No.622993

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>>622714

Fixed that shit


ff3b1f No.623003

>>622714

I get it too. Judas was like a pawn in a way. Jesus knew Judas was going to sell him out even before Judas knew. Did Jesus allow Judas to be damned for eternity? Why did Jesus not intervene and tell Judas? Judas was used as a pawn to complete the prophesy.


008d1d No.623007

>>622714

I do feel sorrowful for Judas. He probably thought he should precipitate things by giving Christ up to the authorities, and make himself some cash by the way. When he realized that made him guilty of Christ's death, he despaired and killed himself.

We should pray for his salvation, but that doesn't mean he should be recognized as a saint. What he did was exceptionally grave, and holy tradition hasn't canonized him. If anybody stands as an example of what NOT to do, it's Judas, so realistically, his chances of ever being saved are very low.


008d1d No.623008

File: c50a6d1f7319fba⋯.jpg (521.5 KB, 768x1024, 3:4, judas icon.jpg)

>>622993

also thanks for this


701509 No.623022

>>623003

He wasn't really used as more that he sinned of his own will and God used the circumstances for His glory. One of my favorite passages on the issue is this (Origen answering objections to prayer based on the foreknowledge of God and free will):

>If our free will is in truth preserved with innumerable inclinations towards virtue or vice, towards either duty or its opposite, its future must like other things have been known by God, before coming to pass, from the world's creation and foundation; and in all things prearranged by God in accordance with what He has seen of each act of our free wills. He has with due regard to each movement of our free wills prearranged what also is at once to occur in His providence and to take place according to the train of future events. God's foreknowledge is not the cause of all future events including those that are to have their efficient cause in our freewill guided by impulse.

>Even though we should suppose God ignorant of the future, we shall not on that account be incapacitated for effecting this and willing that. Rather it ensues from His foreknowledge that our individual free wills receive adjustment to suit the universal arrangement needful for the constitution of the world.

>That being so, in His arrangement it will accordingly have been ordained somewhat after this wise: This man I will hear for the sake of the prayer that he will pray, because he will pray wisely: but that man I will not hear, either because he will be unworthy of being heard, or because his prayer will be for things neither profitable for the suppliant to receive nor becoming me to bestow: and in the case of this prayer, of some particular person, let us say, I will not hear him, but in the case of that I will.

>Should the fact of God's unerring foreknowledge of the future disquiet anyone by suggesting that things have been necessarily determined, we must tell him that it is a real part of God's fixed knowledge that a particular man will not with any fixed certainty choose the better or so desire the worse as to become incapable of a change for his good. And again I will do this for this man when he prays, as becomes me seeing that he will pray without reproach and will not be negligent in prayer: upon that man who will pray for a certain amount, I will bestow this abundantly in excess of his asking or thinking, for it becomes me to surpass him in well doing and to furnish more than he has been capable of asking.

>To this other man of a particular character I will send this angel as minister, to cooperate from a certain time in his salvation and to be with him for a certain period: to that other, who will be a better man than he, that angel of higher rank than his. From this man who, after having devoted himself to the higher views will gradually relax and fall back upon the more material, I will withdraw this superior cooperator, upon whose withdrawal that duly inferior power, having found an opportunity to get at his slackness, will set upon him and when he has given himself up in readiness to sin, will incite him to these particular sins. So we may imagine the Prearranger of All saying:

>Amos will beget Josiah, who will not emulate his father's faults but will find his way leading on to virtue, and will by aid of these companions be noble and good, so that he will tear down the evilly erected altar of Jeroboam. I also know that Judas, in the sojourn of my son among the race of men, will at the first be noble and good but later turn aside and fall away to human sins so that he will rightly suffer thus for them. This foreknowledge, it may be in regard to all things, certainly in regard to Judas and other mysteries, exists in the Son of God also, who in His discernment of the evolution of the future has seen Judas and the sins to be committed by him, so that, even before Judas came into existence, He in His comprehension has said through David the words beginning "O God, keep you not silence at my praise."—Knowing as I do the future and what an influence Paul will have in the cause of religion, ere yet I set me to begin creation and found the world I will make choice of him: I will commit him from the moment of his birth to these powers that cooperate in men's salvation.

So he did do what he did, but still I have hope for him as all those impulses are relatable to the whole human experience. And the despair of sin is the most, because sometimes you feel as if God has abandoned you and forgiveness is impossible when you have such extreme remorse for your sin, that you will go to hell and accept that, so you attempt (or do) to kill yourself (out of a mix of shame and fear and guilt).


eeb799 No.623026

>>622708

In terms of rejecting Christ, perhaps. But remember that he gave the money back and felt enough remorse and shame to kill himself. Giveing money back and feeling shame are hardly jewish behaviors.


5bc20b No.623035

>>622714

Suicide in his situation is not a sign of the Holy Spirit working within him, read what the Book of Romans has to say regarding this topic. Also Judas Iscariot was one of Jesus' disciples for a period of time, yet in spite of this he refused to believe and even sold Him out for pieces of silver. None of us have physically encountered Jesus Christ yet, in spite of this we all believe. Jesus said blessed are those who have not seen, yet have believed.


78e1d6 No.623204

>>623026

>Giveing money back and feeling shame are hardly jewish behaviors.

LOL


b85aab No.627299

File: e55fbf4156f2fc0⋯.jpg (36.14 KB, 366x464, 183:232, 1385891938897.jpg)


8ca33f No.627406

What if he chose not to betray jesus?


aa58a7 No.627408

>>622654

>What was his problem?

he was literally a sola fideist.


8ca33f No.627409

>>622714

>It would've been better if he had never been born

>Suicide as a final fuck you to god's plan

He's fucked m8. Learn from his example though.


aa58a7 No.627410

>>627406

Jesus was fully forgiving sins before the resurrection, his crucifixion was something he accounted for, not depended on


b85aab No.627412

>>627408

all the apostles were


9c948c No.627416

>>627409

salvation is by faith alone.

judas' actions or inactions don't figure into the final calculation. see protestant mental gymnastics


9b087b No.627417

>>622654

mad gainz before bitcoin.


10ca35 No.627426

He was Catholic


e7fabe No.627774

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

I'll just leave this here


ecc1ee No.627817

>>622654

greed

>>622714

>I know that was said, but I hold out hope that he is a Saint and was fully redeemed.

satan what u doing on 8chan




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