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Tanakh I meant Tanakh, damn it.

>>622272

>Isaiah 7:14: Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Some people think this means he should literally be named Immanuel, like “Immanuel Christ,” but that’s never been the view of either Jews or Christians. Nobody who claimed to be the Messiah before or after Jesus was named Immanuel. Immanuel means “God with us.” This point is driven home in the Matthew quotation of this verse

>Matthew 1:21: And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.

>22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,

>23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

There are other verses which are clearer

>Isaiah 9:6: For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

His name shall be called the mighty God.

>>622272

It doesn't, at least not clearly. It doesn't even say that the messiah would be the son of God. That's why it was such a big deal back in the day that God loves us that much that he would send his only begotten son, and why it took so long (relatively speaking) for the disciples to figure it out.

>>622272

So what if it didn't? The New Testament is in the Old Testament concealed, the Old Testament is in the New Testament revealed.

>>622291

Wow man how can translators f*uck it up this bad

Isaiah 9:5-6 says: “For a child has been born to us, a son has been given to us; and the government is upon his shoulder; and his name is called A wonderful counselor is the mighty God..”

>>623290

Don't bullshit me anon.

http://biblehub.com/interlinear/isaiah/9-6.htm

His name wonderful counselor, the Mighty God, The everlasting Prince of Peace

>>622428

>>623207

Kenan means Spear (or chant/dirge).

Enoch means Mouth (or Taste).

Mathuselah means Man of dart (or sending)

Not sure what Lamech means even so I will go with you.

So it could be rather "Man appointed mortality dirge; The blessed God shall come down; Taste sent man the powerful rest."

>>623967

You got a sauce for your translations?

Mine's Strong's.

>>623982

Mine too.

>>623993

But then how do i get less translations than you?

Ahh well, who gives.

>>623993

>>623982

>Not using Brown-Driver-Briggs

>>623967

>Kenan means Spear (or chant/dirge).

The root for his name literally means "a nest." Properly his name means "a possession," and that in the ancient near eastern sense of having children.

>Enoch means Mouth (or Taste).

Don't know where you got this from, but the only way of taking his name that I know of are to take it as derivative of "chanak" which means "to train," or "to dedicate" typically as relates to a child.

You won't find any slam-dunk, unambiguous verse. There's a reason why the Jewish religious leaders such as the Pharisees didn't see the Truth—because it was hidden in types, figures, and allegory, such as the "sign of Jonah" which Christ references Himself on the Gospels. Of course, all was revealed in Christ, and if you read the New Testament and become familiar with the Gospels, you will come to realize that every page of the Old Testament is christological.

>And their eyes were opened, and they recognized him. And he vanished from their sight (Lk 24:31)

>I became a minister according to the stewardship from God that was given to me for you, to make the word of God fully known, the mystery hidden for ages and generations but now revealed to his saints. To them God chose to make known how great among the Gentiles are the riches of the glory of this mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory. (Col 1:25-27)

>>623994

I just googled "BibleHub Genesis 5" and looked at interlinear until for exemple "Enoch" came up. Then just looked down etymology in Strong's.

>>624026

>Not using Brown-Driver-Briggs

I tend not to work hard on really non essential things that availeth little to none. Biblehub is good site (or good enough).

>The root for his name literally means "a nest." Properly his name means "a possession," and that in the ancient near eastern sense of having children.

Qenan: a descendant of Seth

Word Origin

from the same as qayin

qayin: a spear

From quwn in the original sense of fixity; a lance (as striking fast) – spear.

Definition

to chant an elegy or dirge

>Don't know where you got this from, but the only way of taking his name that I know of are to take it as derivative of "chanak" which means "to train," or "to dedicate" typically as relates to a child.

Chanok: four Israelites, sons of Cain, Jered, Midian and Reuben

Word Origin

from the same as chek

chek

Probably from chanak in the sense of tasting

>>624070

>I just googled "BibleHub Genesis 5" and looked at interlinear until for exemple "Enoch" came up. Then just looked down etymology in Strong's.

Heyyy…that's pretty smart.