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>>618387

Didn't bother to watch the video, but one word: monogamy. Contrary to what you may think, women are jealous and don't like to share. And a man who can't be faithful has lowered value points.

I watched the video and was somewhat enthused to watch what we should already know: as a result of the fall, women and men are fallen. This comes with your standard darkness of the intellect and concupiscence of the will. However, the three specific results of the fall for women (which are impatience, or wanting to dominate men, sentimentality, using people emotionally as men use people physically, and vanity which is an excessive pride in or admiration of one's own appearance or achievements). As aforementioned in the parentheses, we men predominantly just struggle with lust and are quite simple (though not in every case), however women are much more complex in those ways that the fall has effected them. The statistics that this person has pulled up are quite emblematic of how women have always been and he makes such a point in his video that it is not the result of anything cultural or intellectual, but in truth how things have always been, and he without realizing just reiterates what the Church has always taught and that is that we are fallen human in the most dire need of a Savior (and have been provided one).

It is folly to believe that either man or woman could improve in any way whatever without the Sacraments which flow from the Most Precious Blood of Christ. Having a higher estimation of yourself is the absolute opposite of what the Saints have always written about, in fact they recommend seeking the truth about yourself and having a humble estimation of who you really are: we are all sinners and incredibly depraved and love our sin and without even the smallest and most minute of God's graces, there is no sin which we would not commit. Realizing that we are just as fallen as everyone else and realizing that the darkness of the intellect prohibits us from seeing the truths of others, we must think, speak and act with charity in all things (which is one of the three theological virtues given to us at baptism and grown throughout our lives by God as it is impossible to have faith, hope and charity without Him giving it to us) and not presume to know the truth in anything in which we make rash judgments. This is also part of not trusting yourself and absolutely despising yourself.

This is meted out by loving and trusting Christ in us and as St. Paul said, wanting Him to increase in us and wanting ourselves to decrease (as he realized after some time as a Christian that there were none of his actions that were not tainted and corrupted by sin and his defects) and treating the past as mercy and the future as providence. The further one delves into the spiritual life, the more one realizes how absolutely and utterly in need they are of God's grace at every single instance of their life, even down to the most minute of conceivable moments of time or they will surely fall to sin.

Our three enemies are the flesh, the world and the devil and we are powerless before them without God and all of heaven with us. Pray for your future spouse, regardless of your vocation, and your prayers will be answered. Catholicism is about conquering our fallen nature through Christ, with Christ, and in Christ.

>>618387

You're missing the whole point if you want to be celibate because of redpill videos.

Celibacy should be a denial of temptation, not something you do because you're bitter poorly interpreted data (and not great data to start with, the area isn't very well founded yet) makes you feel like women are evil or something, or that your insecurities are just making you envious of others who you think have what you want.

And anyway, like the other guy said, there's evidence that women aren't generally super into casual relationships compared to men, men on average have more casual relationship than women, suggesting that it's likely there's a subset of women having the majority of casual sex, while most don't. There's data out there of how many people of each gender have how much sex (so like 40 for example might have sex with between 5-7 people in their life) that supports this too, men on average have higher amounts of partners, but the data capped at 14+, suggesting that the women in the 14+ zone are just sleeping around a lot.

>>618387

Women have always been like that though. Nothing really matters aside from your ability to provide for her. They like men for their virtues or personalities, only if it benefits them. not because a virtuous man is inherently valuable. 60% of men that lived on earth never reproduced. It's all a transaction really, I'll give you kids, you give me financial security.

And this, being reduced to a walking wallet, is the reason why I can't respect women.

Stop getting your wisdom about marriage from the world and start reading the Word of God.

>>618455

I agree with this anon: we are more than mere data.

I am unsure if I should even look for a soul mate (I have issues with my sexuality and I was raped), but I know I'm not a normal case when it comes to such things.

>>618436

>absolutely despising yourself.

While I agree with much of what you've said, A Christian who despises himself is most likely a Christian who believes he's going to hell, and I've heard it on this board from what I presume to be another Catholic that if a person believes he's going to hell, then he apparently will go to hell because he doesn't believe Jesus has saved him. It's hypocritical statement and in my opinion should not be preached, but thanks for the input.

>>618457

I think data is important and shouldn't be discounted, but it's just useless when it's people with absolutely no education in the field just looking to confirm what they're going to think regardless.

It's also silly to live your life off data like this that's just basic exploratory stuff of a super young field, generally from studies that aren't really even proper studies let alone reviewed.

Being an incel is choosing to life your life angry and envious, it's not possible to reconcile it with a Christian life in my opinion.

There is help out there too, whether it's spiritual or psychological, both sides are pretty good at helping people out by now.

>>618460

Indeed, I agree.

As for help, dunno…I'll see.

>>618387

The best reason to be celibate is that Paul says the married do "well" but the unmarried do "better." Who would not do better for God if they proclaim to love Him?

Because dating is a personal experience and while proven statistics of the majority can give you a good idea of what to expect, they don't dictate what you can get out of a relationship.

Also learn to use Hooktube.

In a certain way, I suppose it could be a reason.

>But those who marry will face many troubles in this life, and I want to spare you this.

1 Cor 7,27. This translation is weird, but nonetheless, we have also

>32 I would like you to be free from concern. An unmarried man is concerned about the Lord’s affairs—how he can please the Lord. 33 But a married man is concerned about the affairs of this world—how he can please his wife— 34 and his interests are divided. An unmarried woman or virgin is concerned about the Lord’s affairs: Her aim is to be devoted to the Lord in both body and spirit. But a married woman is concerned about the affairs of this world—how she can please her husband. 35 I am saying this for your own good, not to restrict you, but that you may live in a right way in undivided devotion to the Lord.

1 Cor 7, 32-35

So is St. Paul saying here, a man who is married is worried how he can please his wife, and his interests are divided between her and the Lord. And isn't it common knowledge that women are harder to please? That women can hardly be ever satisfied with something? Some of you were saying that we shouldn't live our lives based on data, but doesn't that data doesn't just confirms the common sense, something everybody already knows?

So this can be a most worrying distraction, and a stumbling block to a man's salvation if he is not the most "pleasing" kind of man. He will have to carry such worries, and may not have any peace in his marriage..

Others were discoursing on the fallen nature of mankind, but without getting anywhere. I point to this lad here >>618436 specially, who said so much without adressing the issue. Of course, we have a fallen nature, but should that be used just to excuse ourselves and others? To me it seems reasonable that it be used to draw also an plan of action, and celibacy can be one.

So, if you think you will be caught by such worries (and you are already caught), then celibacy can be a good course of action.

>>618455

So God thinks two people that find each other repulsive should be forced to form a family? well it makes sense then why they didn't even wanted to see each other while fucking back then.

>>620373

that's the reason why it's very important to choose a virtuous girl, even if she is not very attractive. Getting caught was part of the plan.

In the long term a marriage it's more like a business. And my dear Nietzsche said that the marriage is just a looong conversation.

>>620381

>that's the reason why it's very important to choose a virtuous girl

That goes without saying, if one is going to marry.

But not marrying is a solid option in many cases.