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KJV

no footnotes

>>611050

kjv

Is The Message the best Bible translation to ever exist, and are all outside the Message-Onlyist Church doomed for eternity?

YES YES YES

>>611084

>an (((ecumenical))) study bible

Authorized Version

>>611092

>ecumenism is bad!

Is there another way to ensure as little theological bias as possible in a translation than having a diverse, ecumenical translation committee? If it were a committee entirely of Catholics, would that be better?

>>611095

>literally nothing wrong with the translation

In that case, I will continue to suggest it to everyone

>>611095

>muh babylonian creation myth

>muh eternal matter

>>611097

Then why not just recommend a (N)RSV bible without all the higher critical cancer?

>>611095

>>611099

>Babylon creation myth

Don't think I've seen this before. What are they implying? God made the world out of a goddess?

Sounds like something the New Age would eat up,

>>611097

>literally nothing wrong with the translation

I gotchu bro

Matthew 5:22

>KJV: But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment:

>NRSV: But I say to you that if you are angry with a brother or sister, you will be liable to judgment;

Mark 10:24

>KJV: Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God!

>NRSV: But Jesus said to them again, "Children, how hard it is to enter the kingdom of God!

Luke 2:33

>KJV: And Joseph and his mother marvelled

>NRSV: And the child's father and mother were amazed

John 6:47

>KJV: Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.

>NRSV: Very truly, I tell you, whoever believes has eternal life.

Acts 2:47

>KJV: And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

>NRSV: And day by day the Lord added to their number those who were being saved.

Romans 10:17

>KJV: So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

>NRSV: So faith comes from what is heard, and what is heard comes through the word of Christ.

1 Corinthians 5:7

>KJV: For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:

>NRSV: For our paschal lamb, Christ, has been sacrificed.

2 Corinthians 2:17

>KJV: For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God:

>NRSV: For we are not peddlers of God's word like so many;

Galatians 4:7

>KJV: Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.

>NRSV: So you are no longer a slave but a child, and if a child then also an heir, through God.

1 John 5:7

>KJV: For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

>NRSV: There are three that testify:

1 Peter 2:2

>KJV: As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:

>NRSV: Like newborn infants, long for the pure, spiritual milk, so that by it you may grow into salvation—

>>611100

They are trying to imply that Genesis is based on stolen material from nearby pagan polytheistic mythology. The Oxford's editors do it fairly regularly throughout the Old Testament footnotes.

>>611102

>using the KJV as the standard

You still haven't proven anything there is anything wrong with it

>>611102

>The Oxford's editors do it fairly regularly throughout the Old Testament footnotes.

Business as usual for the modern (((scholars))), then.

>>611105

Read the NRSV verses he posted on their own, then. Jesus was angry, Joseph was not His father, Salvation is not a process or difficult for us, the Trinity exists, and you have to believe in Jesus to be saved.

>>611109

>Jesus was angry, Joseph was not His father, Salvation is not a process or difficult for us, the Trinity exists, and you have to believe in Jesus to be saved.

Those all reflect your personal theological bias and not what the text the New Testament authors actually wrote.

>>611111

Nice digits, but you're a total heretic if you think that Jesus' father was Joseph and not God.

>>611050

Picking up Koine Greek and Ancient Hebrew then buying a copy of the Biblia Hebraica Leningradensia, The Dead Sea Scrolls-Study Edition, and the Nestle-Aland 28th Novum Testamentum Graece

>>611051

KJV

no footnotes

no red letters

Final Destination

>>611112

>you think that Jesus' father was Joseph and not God.

I didn't say that. I said it is a more faithful translation of the Greek text. The Greek uses the word πατὴρ, which is unambiguously not "Joseph"

Just use multiple

>>611050

I fell for the KJV only meme, but by the grace of God I got out of it. Here's my Bible history.

>Read the RSVCE Genesis-Isaiah, didn't finish it

>Read bits of the HCSB

>Read the KJV twice

>Reading the David Bentley Hart New Testament (finished up to Ephesians, going strong)

>Will read the Robert Alter Books of Moses

>Will read the NET

>Will read the Douay-Rheims

>Will read the HCSB and finish it

>Will read the RSCVE and finish it

>Will read the Studium Biblicum (that's a Catholic Bible in Chinese, which I've been learning for a while)

>>611116

Don't forget the LXX and Samaritan Pentateuch.

Hardmode - Reading Codex Sinaiticus and Vaticanus directly and the original blackletter printing of the KJB.

Someone give me a quick rundown on the best translated catholic bible. The nabre isnt really doing it for me.

KJB based versions are the ASV which uses an Alexandrian text-type (that's the "corrupted text" in KJOist speak), Breton's Septuagint, Murdock's translation of the Peshitta which is considered to have a majority text-type, and the OSB.

This article about translations of the Coptic Nag Hammadi texts explains why non-gender neutral/inclusive language is more accurate.

http://gospel-thomas.net/noman.htm

>>611100

In the Babylonian Enuma Elish the pagan god Marduk splits Tiamat (literally Ocean) in half and from her corpse fashions the heavens and earth.

>>611225

What? No. The world is fashioned from the mingling of Apsu and Tiamat. Only later on does Marduk slay Tiamat and become the king of gods.

>>611235

https://www.ancient.eu/article/225/enuma-elish---the-babylonian-epic-of-creation---fu/

>137 He split her into two like a dried fish:

>138 One half of her he set up and stretched out as the heavens.

>139 He stretched the skin and appointed a watch

>140 With the instruction not to let her waters escape.

Tablet 5 goes into Marduk fashioning the earth from her corpse but it's fragmentary, and also kind of lewd so I'm not posting it here.

>>611100

They're trying to push the meme that the book of Genesis is a ripoff old Babylonian myths, made up by people who haven't read either.

EOB for new and OSB for old.

>>611081

Oh my..

Where can I get this?

>>611238

A fair cop.

I'm a fan of the Knox Bible, tbh.

>>611216

Douay Rheims. It was the official for 5 centuries and is a literal translation of the clementine st jerome vulgate. KJV was based on it. Otherwise OSB for old and EOB for new.

The neo vulgate and its translations are mediocre

>>611247

Amazon sells the Sixto-Clementine Vulgate (though in a more clean version and with no pictures.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Biblia-Sacra-Iuxta-Vulgatam-Versionem/dp/3438053039/ref=pd_cp_14_1?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=ED0Q26XND3P3AN8D41F2

It's wonderful and surprisingly small for such a text.

Douay-Rheims best English translation tbh

although best translation in general is the Vulgate ofc

>>611050

NET (New English Translation)

Anything that flat out beats KJV for prose?

What is the best Spanish bible translation, or what would be the kjv of the Spanish bible?

>>611084

This.

>>611050

>ABP

>ESV

>TR with LXX

>>611077

How well God must like you—

you don’t hang out at Sin Saloon,

you don’t slink along Dead-End Road,

you don’t go to Smart-Mouth College.

Instead you thrill to God’s Word,

you chew on Scripture day and night.

You’re a tree replanted in Eden,

bearing fresh fruit every month,

Never dropping a leaf,

always in blossom.

You’re not at all like the wicked,

who are mere windblown dust—

Without defense in court,

unfit company for innocent people.

God charts the road you take.

The road they take is Skid Row.

Truly, what a crowning achievement for the faith.

>>618701

Nácar-Colunga

>>621428

no worse than the apocrypha tbh

What about for Gatholics

>>611050

I started reading the Vulgate and it's the best translation I've read, but I can read Latin.

>>611077

>>611223

Bringing up the Message bible and Da Jesus Book should be a bannable offense, even if you're joking around.

>>611136

>more accurate to greek and hebrew manuscripts that differ per verse and text family and making God a liar and author of confusion

>God being true

Pick one

>>611050

OP I would say KJV since it is the only version I am away of that wouldn't make God a liar if it were true, which it is true. But since you brought up hard mode I will go straight with Matthew 4:4 instead and say every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God

>But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

>>631837

Why, what's wrong with those translations? Do they make God a liar if they were true against titus 1:2? I'm dead serious, answer me as I am too lazy to look up john 7:1-10, mark 1:2, malachi 3:1, 1 samuel 17:51, 2 samuel 21:19, isaiah 14:12, and revelation 22:16 in them amongst possible others.

New American Bible seems pretty good, but I don't like how it departs quite a lot from a lot of the famous verses.

>>621546

The Jerusalem Bible or the RSV/NRSV.

>>611246

This

NRSV is banned from liturgical use in the Orthodox Church.

RSV for the OT and NKJV for the NT seems to be the best combination.

But also, Catholics use the NABRE.

>>631957

One reason is that it doesn't have "The lord is my shepherd" for Psalm 23 (22). It has the Lord ruleth over me. The Nova Vulgata has The Lord is my Shepherd, but the DR is a translation of the Vulgate which uses rules over me, and is not really the best translation for example. The Lord is my shepherd is so iconic too

>>611116

I don't think you'd find a KJV like that outside the 1611 version.

>>631934

Isn't the RSV the one that says the "young woman" will give birth?

>>631918

I have the Gospels-Acts version of this and the commentary is good, but it seems to rely a bit much on the works of St Jose-Maria Escriva, since virtually every page cites his work.

>>631957

Personally, no. It really is the best English version there is, with the Knox version being a close second.

>>632176

I suppose that that's got more to do with the fact that as Anglophones we are more used to the "standard" being the KJV verse than anything else. For instance, also in Ps. 22, the KJV has "My cup runneth over", but in the DR it's "and my chalice which inebriateth me, how goodly is it!"

>>631958

I found the EXB to be immensely helpful reading the Bible and makes it fun and enjoyable since I don't have the scholarly background. I plan on going through the Bible in a more literal translation next time around and read it in KJV again.

Also you may want to check out The Passion Translation (TPT) by Dr. Brian Simmons although I haven't read through it fully yet (only the NT and Proverbs/Psalms has been translated).

>>632609

>Hieronymous version

Not reading the superior old Latin texts.

>>611095

One can dismiss the commentary, but still approve of the translation.

>>632176

"The Lord ruleth me" sounds cooler.

>>632544

>For instance, also in Ps. 22, the KJV has "My cup runneth over", but in the DR it's "and my chalice which inebriateth me, how goodly is it!"

Yes, that's a silly translation of the Latin.

Calix meus inebrians, quam praeclarus est.

ESV. Very clear, very accurate, very orthodox.

>>632615

The word appears to be related to grazing.

>>632544

No the latin has changed from the vulgate to the neo-vulgate for that psalm

also best english translation overall despite myself having some issues with it so far has to be the RSV 2CE

>>634356

How does it translate hamartia (sin)? It's a word that has stumped translators til now.

>>611050

NASB. One of the most literal translations (besides transliterals) and still readable.

>>634387

Checked a few verses in John where it occurs, and he used sin.

Is there a particular passage I should look into?

>>634394

According to Strong's Exhaustive Concordance it's 43 occurrences for 264. ἁμαρτάνω (hamartanó), 4 for 265. ἁμάρτημα (hamartéma), and 173 for 266. ἁμαρτία (hamartia).

I'm also seeing it translated that way looking at an ePub file of the book that I found that some anon posted one day that was still loaded on my Calibre so it's probably safe to say that's the way it's done throughout the book. Most translations have done the same but I think some may have used "transgression" in some instances.

>>632609

>going to all the trouble of learning a foreign language just to read what is just another translation

Why not learn Greek or Hebrew and read the oldest manuscripts we have?

>>634442

Probably for the tradition and easier than learning two languages.

>>611050

Once I finish it, mine.

>>634444

Digits proclaim the greatest bible translation being written.

o>>632625

https://global.oup.com/academic/product/the-new-oxford-annotated-bible-with-the-apocrypha-revised-standard-version-expanded-ed-9780195283358

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>>632625

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