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2fdf63 No.610563

I read the Bible and Qur'an all the way through in one year because I wanted to get a better understanding of religious beliefs and why people believe in them. The Gospel of John is the most beautiful piece of literature I've ever read, and I felt Jesus speaking to me through it. It's message has convinced me that Jesus Christ is Lord. I've really put my faith in Jesus Christ as the Son of God. What do I do now? Get baptized? I want to be baptized, but I never was before. I grew up in an atheist family and have only been in churches for funerals and marriages. Other than that I have no experience with church. There's a local Catholic Church and some Protestant churches near me. What should I do? Should I approach a minister and ask to be baptized?

1dc230 No.610567

>>610563

Go to your local catholic church and talk to the priest and he will sort you out son.


93d76c No.610568

>>610563

Congrats! Also, this => >>610567


0da710 No.610570

Then he called for a light, and sprang in, and came trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas, And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must (literally: "what is necessary for salvation?") I do to be saved? And they said, BELIEVE on the Lord Jesus Christ, and

thou shalt be saved,

and thy house.

And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house. And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway. And when he had brought them into his house, he set meat before them, and rejoiced, BELIEVING in God with all his house.

Acts 16:29‭-‬34 KJV


5d730f No.610571

>>610563

Great stuff anon, the Lord loves you more than you could possibly imagine. He wants you to go this path.

Also this >>610567

I did the same a few months ago and it was the best decision of my life.


190099 No.610573

>>610563

Study some history and base your beliefs in facts. A lot of pastors on you tube have great videos. I also highly recommend you read : More than a carpenter by Josh McDowell


208aec No.610575

>>610567

listen to this man


0da710 No.610577

>>610570

>>610563

Don't go to men. Go to the source.

"No man comes to the father, but by me"

-Jesus Christ


0e293b No.610578

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I'm so happy that you've found the Truth!

It's tragic that people like you now have to decide upon a denomination instead of simply going to 'the Church'. That's our fault as Christians for not having enough spiritual maturity.

I would say shop around the different churches, do your research, and pray to God for guidance. God bless, brother.


550016 No.610581

>>610573

>ignore patristics

0/10 meme


550016 No.610582

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04f703 No.610589

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To be honest, the most confusing and difficult part for you will be selecting a denomination. I will try to sum them up to the best of my ability:

> Catholicism

The Catholic Church prescribes that it is the one true apostolic church, given to Peter by Christ Himself, and descended from the church fathers that followed. Their teachings have remained quite close to what was actually being taught in the Biblical era of the New Testament, despite complaints that they have 'modernized'. The only modernized thing about the Catholic Church would be the openness to newcomers regardless of their background, and the toning down of their condemnation of reprobates. Otherwise, their actual dogma has remain unchanged. The Catholic Church prescribes that the Pope is infallible, as well as the Church itself. This does NOT mean that everything the Pope says is right or even decent. On the contrary, most catholics disagree with a lot of Pope Francis' dialogue. However, papal infallibility only means that despite his flaws, the Pope cannot actually bring down the Catholic Church or destroy it, as the Holy Spirit will not allow him to err it. Catholicism also insists on the immaculate conception of Christ through Mary, and that Mary is sinless. Thus, catholics pray TO Mary to ask for her intercession. Catholics do NOT worship Mary at all. As far as aesthetics go, Catholics use statues to venerate saints, the Virgin Mary, and even Christ Jesus.

> Orthodoxy

The orthodox church insists that only it is the one true apostolic church. This is because of the Great Schism and the filloque, which caused the orthodox and catholic churches (which were once just one church) to split. The orthodox become 'eastern orthodox' and the catholic church became the 'roman catholic'. The orthodox proclaim that they alone hold the unbreakable traditions from 2,000 years ago, which may or may not be correct. (Imo, dogma and apologetics are far superior to just tradition, though it's up to you) The orthodox split because they believe that the Holy Spirit comes from the Father alone, whereas Catholics insist it comes from the Father and the Son (Jesus Christ). As far as aesthetics go, the orthodox church is very divided into ethnic enclaves. Russian, Greek, other Slavic nations, with each of their respective people usually sticking to their ethnic church (such as Russians in the Russian orthodox). The orthodox also venerate Mary and refer to her as the 'Holy Theokotos'. Orthodox churches also venerate, though instead of statues like Catholics, they venerate icons which are mosaic paintings of Jesus, the saints, the Father, or Mary.

> Protestantism

The prots split from Catholicism due to many disagreements with papal infallibility, the authority of the church, and other reasons. Protestants essentially have no church authority, care not for 2,000 years of apologetics and theological study, but rather proclaim themselves alone to be able to interpret the Bible. I'm sorry if that was harsh, look into protestantism yourself. But the fact of the matter is, they disregard church authority and instead read the Bible themselves and come up with their own interpretations, with no two protestant denominations agreeing on the same thing, leading to over 33,000. However, one thing they do understand is humility. They dress humbly and try to live a life as close to Jesus's as possible, which is admirable to say the least. Protestants do not venerate the Virgin Mary. They don't venerate anything actually. Look more into it, I don't know enough about protestantism to lecture you.

I myself am a Maronite Catholic, an Eastern Catholic. I belong to the Catholic Church, however the eastern rite was created mostly for middle easterners like myself.


77de1d No.610593

>>610570

This. Believe and you will be saved. Through your belief your heart will be changed and your actions will represent that.


0d3d65 No.610594

>>610563

>I read the Bible all the way through

Good job, you're already better off than a large portion of people who believe in God.

>It's message has convinced me that Jesus Christ is Lord. I've really put my faith in Jesus Christ as the Son of God

Wonderful news. You also believe that He died for your sins, was buried, and rose again the third day?

If so, welcome to Christianity. Your next step is to find a church and be baptized. One thing I'd recommend is that you find one that caters to Christians and not to the unsaved. It'll be fairly obvious if a church is trying to get unsaved people in the door and ignoring their duty to build up the Christians already there. When I say cater to Christians I mean that you should leave convicted and renewed, ready to double down on serving God. Avoid ear-ticklers.

Realize that you are now a man targeted by our adversary the Devil. He'll throw everything he can at you to try and trip you up. He'll tell you chiefly that you're not good enough, but remember that Jesus is good enough for you.

Welcome home, brother.


afe941 No.610595

>>610589

>I don't know enough about protestantism to lecture you.

You should have just left it at that.


75af14 No.610609

I listened to the Quran on audiobook and it's a really dumb bootleg version of the Bible. It references a lot of things from it but never goes into detail. You can really tell Muhammad was a fraud and a creep who used "Allah" to get what he wanted from people.


0da710 No.610618

>>610582

>literally speaking against the Bible.


db7639 No.610620

>>610563

Have you read the whole Bible?

If so, I recommend that you look into the claims of Orthodoxy, Catholicism, and Protestantism to figure out what is the truth.

For the Orthodox Church, I recommend Metropolitan Kallistos (Timothy) Ware's "The Orthodox Church," and "The Orthodox Way." Make sure to get the latest editions.

I don't know what would be good for Catholics and Protestants, sorry.

>>610589

Should be noted that the filioque isn't the sole issue. 5 issues were highlighted at the beginning of the Council of Florence:

- the legitimacy of the addition of the filioque to the creed

- the meaning of the filioque

- the use of unleavened bread for the Eucharist

- Purgatory

- papal primacy

Today we've done sufficient progress on the filioque to be able to say that we might come to an agreement within our lifetime. At least, the material to come to an agreement is there, we only need to wait and see how our bishops handle it.

The use of azymes and Purgatory haven't been discussed much recently, and I'd argue that most laypeople don't care about these anymore, but the main glaring issue is papal primacy.


0da710 No.610622

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>>610582

Fixed your meme


550016 No.610628

>>610618

>>610622

The irony is palpable


0da710 No.610654

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>>610628

The irony is palpable because the irony is…

PAPABLE


079cd2 No.610658

>>610563

you are already converted

now read more


e135a1 No.610680

>>610567

Do it and you won’t regret it.


0d3d65 No.610754

>>610563

>>610589

Protestantism deserves a fair shake too, though I'm not a protestant.

Protestants reject the Roman Catholic doctrine of papal supremacy and sacraments. They believe you can be saved outside of the RCC, and emphasize the priesthood of all believers.

The million denomination hyperbole comes from the fact that protestants hold that believers can look at things from different perspectives, as long as certain core beliefs are held. They believe that an invisible church is made up of all believers in the world, rather than an organization out of the Vatican. Protestantism's core beliefs are summed up in the five Solae.

>Sola Fide- Salvation by faith alone

>Sola Gratia- By God's grace alone

>Sola Scriptura- Scripture alone

>Solus Christus- Through Christ alone

>Soli Deo gloria -To the glory of God alone


23b909 No.610767

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>>610754

>Protestantism deserves a fair shake too

A pity that it falls to pieces in the slightest breeze


0d3d65 No.610779

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>>610767

Shake rome and you'll hear the coffers ring with joe peasant's last coins.


23b909 No.610791

>>610779

>humans are imperfect so your religion is false

This is how the average """""""bible believing""""""" retard thinks, in my experience. It doesn't get better than this, otherwise one wouldn't believe in the lies that make up their religion.


0d3d65 No.610825

Don't call people retards. Especially Christians.

Humans can be flawed in practice, and flawed in belief. That's why Scripture must be held as final authority over the Church; it fireproofs believers against corruption. You can only test the fruits a tree bears if you have a standard, and Rome is not that standard.


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eb2395 No.610850

Many times I feel Protestants and Protestantism is worse than Islam. They are very similar, have no authority, make up things as they go along. Constantly invent new theology when things don't go their way, have no clue of history etc. But Protestanism is the biggest blight on Christianity today. Luckily thanks to the internet this heresy shouldn't last much longer. I give it 100 years max, Manichaeism outlasted a lot longer than Protestanism will, and no one even hears of Manichaeism anymore.


0c4ba6 No.610861

>>610850

> Many times I feel Protestants and Protestantism is worse than Islam

> But Protestanism is the biggest blight on Christianity today.

If you’re going to claim that any group of Christians today are the biggest blight on Christianity, then surely it must be liberal Christians and cultural Christians. They are the ones who belong to all major denominations and weaken them from the inside. Liberal Catholics damage Catholicism more than Protestants, Liberal Protestants damage Protestantism more than Catholics.


96c87d No.610898

>>610850

>Many times I feel Protestants and Protestantism is worse than Islam.

The Eastern Church disagrees. Did you forget how many untold millions of people have been killed in Islamic conquest?

Look, unstandardized doctrine can get wild, but the Creed provides an objective standard. Ideas like predestination aren't good, I'm not denying that, but if you think that bad theology is worse than an outright heretical death cult with nearly a billion followers, you're unambiguously wrong.


22534e No.611204

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>>610563

Congratulations OP and welcome to the path. I'd recommend you avoid this board for now as it's pretty divided among the different denominations and prone to sectarian bickering. I'd recommend you do some research on the different denominations and figure out what you're going to do. That said, you should become Orthodox. But you probably don't want to browse this board until you are secure enough in your beliefs to handle some charged banter without shaking your new belief.


a69327 No.611217

>>610563

man, i wish we could celebrate in person! this day is joyous no matter what denomination you choose! Here's some tips: make sure that you've actually prayed to be saved. Like the whole "Jesus, i'm a sinner, and I recognize your sacrifice on the cross. please forgive me." shebang. The next step is to get baptized. For baptism, i don't think it actually matters what kind of church you do it at. Baptists teach that as long as you believe when you get baptized, then it's valid. You've already got that. Cathodox and other protestants are against re-baptism, so even if you get baptized at the wrong church, it doesn't matter.

other people already wrote about the denominations, so i won't belabour it. Rejoice! The whole kingdom of God is celebrating on this day!


e5c424 No.611404

pray to Jesus with an open heart and I don't have an understanding of why you wouldn't be moved to Catholicism


f5e8fa No.611423

I am a former catholic and now a protestant. I can not speak on othodoxy as I do not have much knowlege on it. To actualy convert to christianity from the protestant perspectice is you have to profess with your mouth and believe christ. Now one thing to keep in mind for any of the denominations is to pray continuoiusly in order to have a better relation with God. Besides that every christian is filled with the holy spirit so I recomend going to the church you feel prompted to go to. Each church has its benefits and it is important to find the one that gets you closer to christ.


6d1743 No.611549

>>610658

What this guy said. OP, if you've already accepted Jesus Christ is the Messiah and you confessed with your mouth, then you are saved. I would be careful of confusing the Roman Catholic Church (or any particular denomination or sect for that matter) with the catholic church (catholic means universal). The Roman Catholic Church is a particular sect while the catholic church is a spiritual church. If you are a true born-again Christian, you are part of this Church and we are of one Body. The catholic church cannot be seen nor touched, but it does exist and the remnants are currently scattered throughout all the Christian denominations and sects (excluding Mormonism and JWs, of course). Not everybody that goes to a church are actually saved, there are even pastors who don't really believe in the Bible. Beware and remember to follow Jesus Christ and not some man. The blind following the blind, they both fall into the pit.


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>>611204

We may have a lot of fun fighting and acting devided but there is always Jesus.


345e90 No.614240

>>610754

The only thing protestantism deserves is to burn like the perversion it is


e2bf7b No.614279

>>610567

>Go to your local catholic church and talk to the priest and he will sort you out son.

He'll sort you out real good. What's with this blatant denominational shilling?


12e298 No.614291

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>>614279

>Pope: millions and millions of 3rd world muslim and african goat farmers? in my EUROPE? YES PLEASE!!

lol.

meanwhile the Dalai Lama is telling Europeans to be cautious else mass immigration will undermine their nations.


9c67b8 No.614294

>>610620

>- the use of unleavened bread for the Eucharist

I'm Orthodox but come on now. There are serious issues like filioque, p*rgatory and then theres argue about using unleavened bread?

This is like arson, murder and jaywalking.


e2bf7b No.614296

>>614291

the Pope is not a true Christian that's why

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d2af7a No.614297

>>610861

Liberal catholics are a consequence of protestantism, the "make your own religion" kit


d35e10 No.614303

>>610567

Baptist*

FTFY


d35e10 No.614304

>>614297

>liberal catholixs are a result of a religion they don't even follow

Nigga you dumb

That would be the same if I said liberal protestants are because of catholics




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