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>>609329

>I do not think church history is much use to me in the future.

Congratulations on killing your own thread at the end of an okay post

>>609333

how is church history essential?

I want to understand not convert. My idea is to understand how catholic perceive a topic, I dont need to know what the history is behind that understanding.

>>609335

Understanding the history of something helps one to understand that thing much better, have you even finished high school?

>>609341

I KNOW the bible

I know a lot of culture and history up to Jesus

I know a lot of history in the first 200-300 years after Jesus

I have some knowledge of general history in europe up to today

But I dont want to go through all the theological debates, conflicts, popes, ….

I want to know what is the consensus of the faith today.

I want a level of understanding of a little above the standard catholic. Most catholics dont know the sources of their faith, they mainly know the churchs interpretation on some dogma or theology.

What is so hard to understand?

>>609345

not a helpful response

>>609347

>What is so hard to understand?

Nothing. You, on the other hand, don't understand what I'm telling you, but that's not surprising, given the way you talk.

>>609341

Helpfulness doesn't imply essentiality. Training wheels are helpful to children learning how to ride a bike, but they are by no means essential to the task they're learning. And history can be helpful just as much it can be harmful if a person doesn't have the sufficient discretion to be able to separate what is essential from what is not essential, the wheat from the chaff. Or else he'll pick up many things that are useless to his study.

>>609384

Shying away from dangerous topics should be frowned upon: one just has to be humble not to get burned, and humility is an essential Christian virtue, so there is no problem if you're a sensible human being.

>>609390

Nowhere did I say it was dangerous. Why do you think it is, and why do you think non-essential topics should be studied nonetheless? And, last of all, what does this have to do with humbleness?

>>609392

>Nowhere did I say it was dangerous.

Dumb. So dumb.

>>609384

>And history […] can be harmful

>>609397

Harmful isn't the same as the dangerous, specially so something that is harmful to the understanding. That which is harmful to the understanding can be merely a waste of time. 'Danger' implies a much stronger notion. Someone would only be said to be in 'danger of bodily harm', for instance, if they were risking permanent loss of limb or life. With regards to knowledge, something would only be 'dangerous' if it likewise implied risking being unable to learn in the future something else that we wanted to learn e.g. if training wheels were able to permanently prevent a person from learning how to ride a bike. But this is not the nature of knowledge. Errors which lead people astray need only to be corrected.

On a side note, I take delight in the Christian humbleness and thoroughness with which you replied to my queries, brother.

>>609329

I haven’t read it, but I’m planning to after I finish the NT again: Pius X’s Catholic Catechism. It’s meant for laymen, and it should explain what you want

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/_INDEX.HTM

The big thing is that the faith is not determined by what the laity believes, it's maintained by the episcopate lead by the pope. So asking people what they think is mostly useless. I linked the Latin catechism, you can read it and it should touch on virtually everything and anything you can ask about.

I suspect you fundamentally don't understand the way of things simply because of this comment in the OP:

>I would like it to be less historic but more faith based, I do not think church history is much use to me in the future.

I can make a longer post if you want.

>>609329

>Quick rundown

https://www.ewtn.com/library/CATECHSM/PIUSXCAT.HTM

>>609406

I advise you to pick up a dictionary in your spare time because English is obviously not your native language and you dearly need one

>>609329

Look up Bishop Robert Barron and go to the Strange Notions website