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>>608527

Suffering is created by humans. God will make everything right again eventually

Suffering is a fact caused by knowledge of good and evil. Not necessarily knowledge of what's good and what's evil, but knowledge that there is a such thing as good and that there is a such thing as evil.

The world if bad because of Humanity, and Satan tempting humanity.

>>608527

Suffering is a lack of a good. Suffering in your flesh is a way to rely on better goods, spiritual ones. If there were no misery, there will be no charity, if there were no death, no pain, no lack for the body, there would be no gift of yourself.

In the long run it have a deeper meaning than some suffering for a moment.

keep in mind those who suffer the most are the most faithfull (Africa, poor countries,…) and those who have "happy life" are those who have the less faith (and are more depressed (western countries nowadays).

Maybe you could explain why you let despair and doubt catch you ?

> God creates perfect world without suffering

> Hands it over to Man with one simple rule to follow

> Man fucks it up

> It's somehow God's fault

>>608527

Read Job and Ecclesiastes: God is responsible for both suffering and joy, and we need to rejoice in both knowing it is God's will.

>>608527

There are two kinds of suffering: Suffering caused by nature such as illness or natural disasters, and suffering caused by fellow humans.

Suffering caused by nature is simply a side effect of a coherent universe. The same laws of nature that cause disasters and disease make physical life possible in the first place. A coherent universe is necessary in order for sentient beings to act in a meaningful way, since there would be no way for them to predict the results of their actions in an incoherent universe.

The second kind of suffering is necessary since removing it would remove any meaning from the actions of your fellow man, and also from your own. If doing the wrong thing has no consequence, then doing the wrong thing or the right thing becomes meaningless.

Besides, the physical world is only one part of creation. What happens to you in the next is up to you, thanks to the grace of God.

>>608527

In my fedora-tipping youth I made much the same remark. Then I experienced the reality of life. Suffering and hardship beget faith, strength, and empathy. Think of yourself as a raw piece of iron. Before you can be sturdy, useful steel you must be hammered into shape and blasted with fire. This is the burden of free will and knowledge of good and evil.

Suffering is required to know pleasure. If everything is good all the time, then nothing is good.

God doesn't make the world this way. We do.

>>608527

>gay thread

>animepost

pottery

You can't handle suffering because you're a fucking faggot, animeboi.

>>608527

are you that serbian guy?

>>608540

>hands it over to two people

>blames it on all of humanity

>is omnipotent so he has to willingly create the concept of original sin

>creates it literally just to do a convoluted scheme on how to fix it except several million people also get to go to Hell forever this way

>because of a concept they didn’t create imposed on them from people they don’t know and enforced by a being that won’t do them true favor of even undeniably demonstrating its existence

Really when you zoom out a bit on Genesis it really does make it seem like there’s an almost antagonistic bent on God but, given omnipotence, there’s nothing you can do about it.

>>608527

While animals can feel pain, suffering is unique toward conscientiousness, which only human and God can experience.

When do we experience suffering? When the ultimate goal of glory (whether be for us or God) that is thwarted by obstacles. Obstacles, in this case is caused by rebellion, since the only persons could introduce suffering in a suffering world are those who can recognize it and because God can't rebel against himself (other words, it's paradox) that only leaves humans responsible for suffering. Which we see according to Genesis.

This objection was dealt with over a millennia ago.

Also, Eupho a shit. Get some taste and watch something better.

>>608653

What was the solution to the problem of evil?

>>608527

How much suffering would you expect God to allow?

I'm surprised all earthly suffering is so transient and trivial, given the possibility of eternal existence. Its like God put a short time limit on all of it.

Not going to read the thread because it's clearly ignorant funposting. God didn't create suffering, we did in disobedience to God. Read Genesis, the first book of the Old Testament, before you make stupid statements so boldly.

>OP is mentally deficient and can't figure out one of the most basic questions in Christianity despite there being a plethora of information online about this very topic

>also anime fag

I'm starting to see a correlation between being retarded and liking anime