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0b18fe No.608350

I have an unshakeable feeling that there are multiple paths to God. And if a person is sufficiently genuine about his search for God he will find him, even in pagan religions/philosophies like Platonism or Islam or Buddhism. They won't find God because of those religions, but inspite of them; their authentic seeking will be enough assuming they purify their hearts in the process.

I know this is heretical, but it's something I can't really shake, and I've tried to ignore it, but harsh exclusivism doesn't make sense to me.

c7b27d No.608370

File: 1f5e8b2021763d8⋯.jpg (127 KB, 640x640, 1:1, 1517853948235.jpg)

>>608350

I know it is supposed heresy, but I also agree. Harsh exclusivism doesn't match a Good God.


37d565 No.608374

>>608350

While I sympathize with the viewpoint, I’d like to say this: other religions ‘’could’’ be a path to God, Christianity we ‘’know’’ is a path to God. Follow Christianity and spread it, and pray for the salvation of Buddhists, Muslims, Jews, and other nonbelievers.


b07763 No.608379

>>608370

>>608350

God does not reside in falsehood.

If something is not true, by necessity it is false.

God is God of truth, he does not speak in lies and tells us to love wisdom, which is the knowledge of the truth.

If a religion is not true, it is a false religion.

As God does not work through falsehood, he cannot be found in that which is false.

By necessity, Christ can only be found in the truth.

One cannot attain salvation without Christ and thus must be a part of his body which is composed, by necessity, of the followers of the truth.

Thus, one cannot enter into the kingdom of heaven through a false religion.


07acad No.608391

File: 17cef258916f0a7⋯.png (419.52 KB, 600x500, 6:5, 1499115234975.png)

>>608350

extra ecclesiam nulla salus


aa452e No.608424

I've have tried dozens of religions and philosophical movements. And I believe that if you are coherent and honest with yourself you will end in the correct path.

I ended roman catholic btw.


aa452e No.608425

>>608424

sorry the misspelling


84af57 No.608427

It's not just heretical and anti Christian (Jesus said "I am THE way, THE thruth, and THE life, no man comes to the Father but through me)

It's just illogical. God is the definition of all truth we can determine, so by saying there are multiple paths to him would make him a relative cultural construct, and would undermine who God is


84af57 No.608431

>>608370

>My definition of "good" doesn't match God's definition.

>it must be God who's wrong


c7b27d No.608439

File: 5dd5e19797dbe85⋯.jpg (357.47 KB, 1920x1080, 16:9, 1516824432568.jpg)

>>608427

What I am saying is that an hypothetical absolutely virtuous person in 1200BC greece would be following the life and path of the true God even if he had no chance to be in contact with Christ. At his death I believe he would meet the Son of God and he would be immediately converted. It is not like he would have lived a life of sin and rejection of God. But he would not have been a christian. He would most likely have been following the greek mythos and sacrificing to false gods.


4ae7b4 No.608440

>>608427

>It's not just heretical and anti Christian (Jesus said "I am THE way, THE thruth, and THE life, no man comes to the Father but through me)

This. That said, anyone who genuinely seeks God becomes a Christian.

>>608439

>What I am saying is that an hypothetical absolutely virtuous person in 1200BC greece would be following the life and path of the true God even if he had no chance to be in contact with Christ.

Perhaps. But since 33 AD there is only one Way.


b0dd43 No.608441

>>608350

If a man seek genuinely truth and doesn't reject it by malice of course he can be saved. He haven't done any sin.

>There are truth in other religions like the church father saint Justin said with his notion of "logos spermaticos", truth put by the holy spirit.

>St Augustine said there was always a true religion, even before Christ coming.

>"And other sheep I have, that are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice, and there shall be one fold and one shepherd." John 10: 16

>>608391

>extra ecclesiam nulla salus

This mean :

>Someone who reject the gospel voluntarily, fully knowing this is the truth, is throwing away his salvation

>All men are saved through the Church, even the people that can have been outside her material limit on earth. All man that are saved, are saved by the Christ sacrifice perpetuated by the Church in mass through the most holy communion.


820066 No.608474

File: f382ec18b732c49⋯.png (565.5 KB, 1900x2635, 380:527, Xpoints.png)

>I have an unshakeable feeling that there are multiple paths to God.

There is one path to God, Christ, The Way. And one way to Christ, Church, The Way. Everything that seems like another path is either false, mockery or natural glimpse and mearly a shadow of supernaturalnatural.

>And if a person is sufficiently genuine about his search for God he will find him, even in pagan religions/philosophies like Platonism or Islam or Buddhism. hey won't find God because of those religions, but inspite of them; their authentic seeking will be enough assuming they purify their hearts in the process.

And if they do, they will convert ethier truly or by desire of it.


b4c0a7 No.608477

ITT: Freemasons


070924 No.608547

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

thread reminded me of the title of sermon in vid related, can't remember the details/crux of the message in tbqh but you, OP, and the others here thinking the same as you will probably find it of interest judging by the title


070924 No.608549

>>608439

>pic

saw this film recently and thought it was brilliant (normally don't give a hoot for superhero films and avoid them) pls no h8 if it's evil and degnerate and I missed out on all the blatent subversion of goodness picking up on those things if done subtley normally go straight over my head


55b9c2 No.608554

File: 6c8ad81a01029f6⋯.jpg (56.54 KB, 500x665, 100:133, fun.jpg)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anonymous_Christian

Why is everyone LARPing as westboro baptists instead of using actual theological concepts? All wisdom comes from God, and while no religion other than Christianity is perfect, they tend to guide people to right conducts, to different degrees of course.

If you think that a virtuous person will go to hell if they're not Christian you're a brainlet.

If you think unbelievers can't be virtuous you're an even bigger brainlet.


035c27 No.608558

>>608427

>Jesus said "I am THE way, THE thruth, and THE life, no man comes to the Father but through me

Posted it before I could get to it.

You cannot reach the Father except through the Son. This is the direct, unambiguous word of God.


b88ec5 No.608559

cough cough

>Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.


b88ec5 No.608560

>>608554

>actual theological concepts

>modernist jesuitical nonsense

Have a (you), on the house.


55b9c2 No.608562

>>608558

>>608559

You can act according to God's will without knowing it though, or do you think buddhist monks please demons by vowing not to hurt a living creature and that Satan is greatly pleased when a muslim gives money to charity?

>>608560

34 Then shall the king say to them that shall be on his right hand: Come, ye blessed of my Father, possess you the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.

35 For I was hungry, and you gave me to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave me to drink; I was a stranger, and you took me in:

36 Naked, and you covered me: sick, and you visited me: I was in prison, and you came to me.

37 Then shall the just answer him, saying: Lord, when did we see thee hungry, and fed thee; thirsty, and gave thee drink?

38 And when did we see thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and covered thee?

39 Or when did we see thee sick or in prison, and came to thee?

40 And the king answering, shall say to them: Amen I say to you, as long as you did it to one of these my least brethren, you did it to me.

41 Then he shall say to them also that shall be on his left hand: Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels.

42 For I was hungry, and you gave me not to eat: I was thirsty, and you gave me not to drink.

43 I was a stranger, and you took me not in: naked, and you covered me not: sick and in prison, and you did not visit me.

44 Then they also shall answer him, saying: Lord, when did we see thee hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister to thee?

45 Then he shall answer them, saying: Amen I say to you, as long as you did it not to one of these least, neither did you do it to me.

46 And these shall go into everlasting punishment: but the just, into life everlasting.


c7b27d No.608566

>>608549

This movie is brillant anon.


b88ec5 No.608580

>>608562

Yes I do believe the Devil is pleased to trick men into rejecting the Messiah.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.


55b9c2 No.608585

>>608580

Are you seriously defending charity is evil unless done by a Christian? While quoting scripture that says good deeds are inherently of the light and bad deeds of the darkness?


1e65a7 No.608617

File: 9f52a22920b58a2⋯.png (90.5 KB, 310x558, 5:9, 1468284311907.png)

>>608350 (OP)

>>608391

Catechism of The Catholic Church:

>"Outside the Church there is no salvation"

>How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:

>Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.

>This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:

>Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.

>"Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men."

>VI. THE NECESSITY OF BAPTISM

>The Lord himself affirms that Baptism is necessary for salvation. He also commands his disciples to proclaim the Gospel to all nations and to baptize them. Baptism is necessary for salvation for those to whom the Gospel has been proclaimed and who have had the possibility of asking for this sacrament. The Church does not know of any means other than Baptism that assures entry into eternal beatitude; this is why she takes care not to neglect the mission she has received from the Lord to see that all who can be baptized are "reborn of water and the Spirit." God has bound salvation to the sacrament of Baptism, but he himself is not bound by his sacraments.

>The Church has always held the firm conviction that those who suffer death for the sake of the faith without having received Baptism are baptized by their death for and with Christ. This Baptism of blood, like the desire for Baptism, brings about the fruits of Baptism without being a sacrament.

>"Since Christ died for all, and since all men are in fact called to one and the same destiny, which is divine, we must hold that the Holy Spirit offers to all the possibility of being made partakers, in a way known to God, of the Paschal mystery." Every man who is ignorant of the Gospel of Christ and of his Church, but seeks the truth and does the will of God in accordance with his understanding of it, can be saved. It may be supposed that such persons would have desired Baptism explicitly if they had known its necessity.

>Wounds to unity

>In fact, "in this one and only Church of God from its very beginnings there arose certain rifts, which the Apostle strongly censures as damnable. But in subsequent centuries much more serious dissensions appeared and large communities became separated from full communion with the Catholic Church - for which, often enough, men of both sides were to blame." The ruptures that wound the unity of Christ's Body - here we must distinguish heresy, apostasy, and schism - do not occur without human sin:

>Where there are sins, there are also divisions, schisms, heresies, and disputes. Where there is virtue, however, there also are harmony and unity, from which arise the one heart and one soul of all believers.

>"However, one cannot charge with the sin of the separation those who at present are born into these communities [that resulted from such separation] and in them are brought up in the faith of Christ, and the Catholic Church accepts them with respect and affection as brothers . . . . All who have been justified by faith in Baptism are incorporated into Christ; they therefore have a right to be called Christians, and with good reason are accepted as brothers in the Lord by the children of the Catholic Church."

>"Furthermore, many elements of sanctification and of truth" are found outside the visible confines of the Catholic Church: "the written Word of God; the life of grace; faith, hope, and charity, with the other interior gifts of the Holy Spirit, as well as visible elements." Christ's Spirit uses these Churches and ecclesial communities as means of salvation, whose power derives from the fullness of grace and truth that Christ has entrusted to the Catholic Church. All these blessings come from Christ and lead to him, and are in themselves calls to "Catholic unity."


b4aab2 No.608654

There may be multiple paths that lead to christianity, but Christ is the narrow gate, all other paths lead to death


d7390c No.608676

liking capeshit is literally babybrain tier besides being degenerate as fuck


d7390c No.608677

>>608654

/thread


c8721b No.608710

File: 8c5542cb50a5eaa⋯.jpg (66.77 KB, 600x516, 50:43, 8c5.jpg)

>even in pagan religions

>like Islam

The insanity of christcucks

(USER WAS WARNED FOR INSULTING CHRISTIANITY)

412e09 No.608737

>>608710

hi /pol/


477ccf No.608903

File: 9a72dbb6b641b92⋯.webm (11.63 MB, 640x360, 16:9, The bible is corrupted me….webm)

>>608710

>worshiping stones/idols

>not pagan

Not to mention they're suppose to follow the bible according to their own scripture.

Watch https://hooktube.com/watch?v=Rxj41M-xwa0 and https://hooktube.com/watch?v=FW-Z2kdYPyU


883cd0 No.608907

File: e0640f4e5cdc181⋯.jpg (162.99 KB, 680x1156, 10:17, 6db94f55ce985266a0520ce375….jpg)

>>608710

>>608710

Its true. Islam is basically an Arab paganism mixed with Judaism, Christianity and Gnosticism. Many of the rituals and whats more important, Hajj is based on pagan traditions.

Also, I revoke your right to post warhammer memes on this board.


eade2e No.608922


a8a10d No.610090

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>>608907

can confirm. Islam has a lot of Arabian Paganism (don't say Arab paganism, arab constitutes the peninsula, the levant, and egypt) from around the time of Mohammed. There are multiple verses in the Quran where the Prophet mentions the 'three daughters of Allah' which are a direct reference to three Arabian goddess figures.

Regardless, I respect muslims more than any other religious group. They are not always the most compassionate or honorable, but they resist and hate sin the way a Christian does, even if their rituals and politics are outlandish to most Christians.

Christians and Muslims must work together. Divided, they won't be able to stand against the combined threats of Satan. Christianity is fighting against secularism, atheism, transgenderism, homosexuality, weakness, and depraved perversion. Islam is fighting primarily against Wahhabism in Arabia (saudis are crypto-jews), Israel, Western imperialism, and Hindu/Buddhism. Christians will not be able to take on all of the diseases of secularlism while also trying to fight Islam, and Muslims will not be able to decapitate Wahhabism once and for all if they're preoccupied with Christianity.

Christians and Muslims are the last people in the world that are actively against sin, demons, and talmudic jews. Ahla w sahla, we may disagree but we need to work together. The West can't be depended on, they've abandoned true Christianity and have proven to be genocidal retards in service of the jew (Iraq and Libya RIP)

> t. mid eastern christian


2bf1b4 No.610108

>>608439

That's not believing in many paths, that's believing in One Path, and that man would be saved despite himself by God. I believe this is Catholic doctrine, that through invincible ignorance it is possible to be saved through Christ


c5e2c0 No.610111

>>610090

>There are multiple verses in the Quran

There aren't.

There is one verse which mentions the 3 "cranes", which may or may not be a lost part of their book.

Just nitpicking.


70953f No.610114

>>610090

Muslims are not against demons, because only those in the Church have any power against demons.

All religions outside of the Church are bathing in demonic forces.


a8a10d No.610128

>>610114

I didn't say they had any power against demons, and you can argue that the Islamic god is false, and thus a demon. I'm not talking about theology here, that won't get us anywhere since you could nitpick and say that we shouldn't have any allies at all, since they're all heretical. Christians need an ally. We alone will not defeat secularism and degeneracy while also having to battle Islam. Of course I wish all muslims would convert to Christianity, but that isn't realistic. It's better to ally with people with some moral similarity, than with nobody at all, or with atheists and liberals.


c8721b No.610363

File: 8dbbd1af0dda39a⋯.jpg (10.22 KB, 172x350, 86:175, Egypt.Mythology.Set.jpg)

>>610090

>A shitskin Arab talking about Paganism like he has any authority

dont you have pyramids to blow up Achmed?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramid_of_Menkaure

but hey who cares, its only a PAGAN tomb anyways.


8d7627 No.610386

>>610090

I don't think that's a good idea. Also remember the fish and loves miracle? Jesus was teaching us we can do more with less.

And of course we have passages like these

2 Corinthians 6:14

>Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

Don't know where you are but don't get snackbarred brown Christbro.


c566e8 No.610388

If there are many paths to God, then Christ didn't have to die, and Christianity, along with every religion that claims exclusivity (pretty much all of them), is a sham.


0d9b29 No.610407

File: dae3f25237713cc⋯.jpg (939.49 KB, 1681x1623, 1681:1623, image.jpg)

>>610363

Some Christian you are, judging me because of my race. I clearly stated I was a Christian, not a Muslim. Not that it would matter anyway, your insult is still lame and full of pol edginess, you apostate trash. Christianity began in the Middle East, go back to your tree humping Asatru ways. The world will never again see the curse of pagan filth. Europe has followed a religion from the Middle East for 2,000 years because it is the TRUTH, and it is of the one and only God. Remember that your pagan ancestors were sexual deviants and wimps that died out forever.


b07763 No.610410

File: fcb0b164901afe0⋯.jpg (64.59 KB, 546x700, 39:50, Pol.jpg)


b07763 No.610413

>>610090

We require no assistance against Satan from demon-worshipers.

Ya know, "and the gates of hell will not prevail against it."


919850 No.610417

>>610407

Your entire race are nothing but shitskin invaders and pretenders. Go back to africa. The babylonians and sumerians were white. The egyptians and the assyrians too. All of their idols have lapis lazuli blue eyes and marble white skin. Im sure its symbolic. My race created all civilization and spiritual understanding. Even the concept of good evil comes babylon not you sandnigger apes. Your race created circumcision and Moloch worship.go suck the foreskin off an infants cock.


63cce2 No.610423

>>610417

nah you are from caves


85ef0c No.610426

>>610423

>>610417

You're both retarded.

>My race created all civilization and spiritual understanding.

All spiritual understanding comes from God, you didn't create anything.

>nah you are from caves

Objectively wrong.


63cce2 No.610428

>>610426

t. Yakubs experiment


c8721b No.610590

File: a0d786ae0bc2a8c⋯.jpg (38.89 KB, 352x480, 11:15, cabeza_mitra_049.jpg)

File: b375139a042c200⋯.jpg (11.96 MB, 2848x4796, 712:1199, Ägyptisches_Museum_Kairo_2….jpg)

>>610426

Let me correct myself then; we whites are closest to God, therefore we are the innovators of all spiritual truths. Philosophy? the Greeks. Druids? the Celtics. Honor? The Germans. Theology? White European Christians. The concept of Good and Evil? The Babylonians. The concept of life after death? The Egyptians. Everything spiritual and religious comes from us, as we are the fountain through which the waters of Heaven flow.

You are nothing but shit that clogs up the system.

(YIKES)

b07763 No.610630

File: cff6db4f5e5f367⋯.png (68.59 KB, 512x512, 1:1, Card.png)

>>610590

Greeks aren't white, they are their own race.

Egyptians aren't white, they were levantine.

>Druids

>(you)

>Honor

>Invented by Germans

>(((you)))

Christian theology was first practiced by the apostles who were genetically Jewish.

I don't know what hole you crawled out of but things are different up here in the light.




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