/christian/ - Christian Discussion and Fellowship

>>607465

>>607913

Absolutely this. I'm tired of people trying to make Christianity out to be this political thing. It pisses me off to see retards LARPing as Christians simply because they think it's good for the west. That's complete fucking bullshit.

Christianity is centralized on the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Literally, this is what makes you a Christian. If you can't accept this, then please fuck off. Christ is Lord of the world, he is God. We must have faith in him.

But our faith isn't blind because it's founded on Jesus's resurrection. The reality of the resurrection is so great that not even "skeptics" can combat it.

>>607907

I was also like this when I joined a church. I wanted to be christian mostly for political and ethical reason. If you do this expect to be changed thoroughly. God does not play around once he enter your life. For me it's been and still is a profound struggle with myself. The focus switched to my own faults instead of those of the world.

>>607925

>its reported to be bodily resurrection

<reduces it to "apparitions"

>>607907

Do you understand that science does not and can not disprove God ? On the contrary, all we know points towards God, from evolutional studies over astrophysics down to sub-nanoscales and back to sociological studies.

You problem is not that you're "STEM" and can't make the "final step" but that you clearly have an agenda which you don't want to "violate" as changing your ideals and directing your whole self towards God would mean to put everything - especially politically - aside that does not conform with the Gospel. See 80% of your greentext:

>>recognize that the bible is an important manual of how to live your life

>>recognize that Christianity is one of the biggest driving forces behind the success of the west

>>recognize that the decline of it is directly linked to the decline of the west

>>think bringing Christianity back is one of the most important things for society

Christianity is not a political model. Christianity is not some kind of cult built upon superstitious claims. God is not some principle to build a civilization on. God is. God is existence. God is 3 persons in one substance, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. The Son - or Word - has become flesh to suffer with and for us and to redeem us. There's a load of evidence for Christ. There's not only historical evidence of Him, there is also evidence for the transsubstantiation of the Eucharist. From over 8 centuries. With blood type analysis - including the shroud of Turin as well.

What you're doing is you separate the "Truth" from "god" by mental gymnastics. But that is not how it works. Because God is the ==T==ruth and Goodness.

To make a long story short: You need to stop to see Christianity as some kind of agenda, a model set of principles after which you can form your world view. You need to start seeing God as what He is. That will automatically lead you to the Church, no matter what.

>>607913

>Read N.T Wright for the historicity of the resurection

Gary Habermas is another one for this with some probably more accessible introductory lectures on youtube rather than the weight tomes of Tom Wright and am under the impression his more recent work has a controversial view of Paul which is not held by majority of Christian's so bare this in mind if llooking through Wirght's work - someone else maybe able to correct me if I'm wrong on this

>>607956

This, OP. Don't be a pussy. Seek the truth like a man.

>>607907

You sound very similiar to me. Keep the struggle up.

>>608159

Pretty sure you used that meme wrong.

>>607956

>>607913

>You listened to Peterson, that's your problem.

Never have, I've seen about 10 minutes of one of his talks once on Youtube, seemed reasonable but not really saying anything you shouldn't realize on your own, that's about it.

Will do the reading.

>>607916

>I'm tired of people trying to make Christianity out to be this political thing

Well that is basically my problem and question: how to go from just thinking it's a good rulebook for life to actually being Christian. If I don't believe in it, I can't really see it as more than a way to view the world (it isn't only political, but of course world view does dictate your politics).

>>607956

>Do you understand that science does not and can not disprove God ?

Yes on both cases, I do accept that a God of some sorts is (is almost surely) out there, the issue is making the jump from that to believing in Christianity (or any other organized religion really). I know there's proof of it, but it's also disputed. In any case making the jump to fully believing in God after a lifetime of atheism (and lately belief that God exists but in no specific religion) isn't easy, scientific evidence or not, especially to accept the entirety of the bible as is (if I believed I would, but since I don't yet I can't, and since I can't I have a hard time believing, and so on).

>>607940

Yes I know.

I think that Paul assumes that it was posterior to the ascension. But it was the most public act of presence since the crucifixion.

This is phenomenal.

>>608159

I literally did follow it.

>>608167

Unfortunately people have ruined the expanding brain meme by removing irony from them