There's Jehovah's Witnesses coming to my house practically every week. I guess they're nice people but why are they part of Jehovah's Witnesses? Why do they deny the doctrine of Trinity?

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Christanon 02/14/18 (Wed) 15:14:02 b8ec21 No.605320

There's Jehovah's Witnesses coming to my house practically every week. I guess they're nice people but why are they part of Jehovah's Witnesses? Why do they deny the doctrine of Trinity?

Christanon 02/14/18 (Wed) 15:15:26 00c9b2 No.605321

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Christanon 02/14/18 (Wed) 15:29:00 3d2128 No.605329

>>605320

Share with them the Gospel, anon

Christanon 02/15/18 (Thu) 16:41:53 fa0cd1 No.605799

Jehovah's witnesses have a strong intelligence network based on records of their doorbell conversations, they might've concluded that you're a possible convert from your answers.

Christanon 02/15/18 (Thu) 18:39:50 2b7d6b No.605830

>>605320

Challenge them to a game called "Consistency and John 1". You see one of their stronger arguments are that in John 1 John does not say "and the Word was God" but "and the Words was a god". They claim it via usage of articles in greek. And they are right, John does not use "ho" there. So are JW right? By no means. Let us go further. So we have first verse:

>En archē ēn ho Lógos, kaì ho Lógos ēn pròs tòn Theón, kaì Theòs ēn ho Lógos.

<In the beging there was THE Words and THE words was with THE God and THE Word was god.

But John 1 is not John 1:1 alone. Let's go further

>Houtos ēn en archē pros ton Theon

<He was in beginning with THE God.

Here you must ask, if they claim that ho Theos is true God, not creation. They must agree since thier whole doctrine depends on it. And here where fun begins. For first we have

>Egeneto anthrōpos apestalmenos para Theou onoma autō Iōannēs

<There was man haveing been sent from god named John

So who sent John? JW will probably say that from Father sicne only God can sent prophets. But if they want to hold to thier interpretation of John1:1 they must say that Christ was the one who sent him. But it gets better:

>Theon oudeis heōraken pōpote monogenēs Theos ekeinos exēgēsato.

<Noone has ever seen god, only-begotten god has made him known.

According to JWs noone ever seen a god (which is impossible for this "a god' was made flesh just few verses ago). There they may claim that it speaks about preincarnate Christ. But the second part of the verse speaks about only-begotten (who is Christ) making this "a god" known. So they are difrent persons. So ethier John calls Father "a god" making JW arguemntation null or he does not care about greek gamtical rules and calls "The God" "a god" when he wants makeing JW argumentation null (or he talks about Holy Spirt, and mae him into person, making JW argumenataion null).

Christanon 02/15/18 (Thu) 18:48:50 9314d9 No.605837

Open the door in your underwear and tell them to go away. Make sure to slam the door.

Christanon 02/15/18 (Thu) 18:51:59 836733 No.605838

>>605320

>Why are they part of Jehovah's Witnesses?

The vast majority are ex-evangelicals or pentecostals who realized they weren't getting fed spiritually at church and decided to go for something more "substantial." Plebs and ethnic catholics go for Roman Catholicism, nutters go to the judaizers, patricians head to less shit protestant churches (often Calvinist), while the genuine dunces who are scared of reading often fall for the Jehovah's Witnesses meme or Roman Catholicism again if they're slightly less retarded.

Christanon 02/15/18 (Thu) 19:19:36 4bede0 No.605854

>>605320

>I guess they're nice people but why are they part of Jehovah's Witnesses?

Most 'hovies I know were born into it.

>Why do they deny the doctrine of Trinity?

literally brainwashing. 'hovies aren't allowed to read any publication about religion that's not by the watchtower, nor can they use non-NWT bibles.

seriously, they're mechanical watches, and if you throw them an apologetic question they haven't been programmed to answer, they toss up generic "404 page not found" answers like "I'm not a theologian, I'll have to ask my pastor".

Christanon 02/15/18 (Thu) 19:22:13 7b419f No.605855

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>>605838

Christanon 02/15/18 (Thu) 19:25:30 014c39 No.605857

>>605838

>gets buttblasted at RCC in another thread

>goes to unrelated threads and makes passive aggressive comments about RCC

It's so obvious lol.

Christanon 02/15/18 (Thu) 19:29:58 69f51e No.605860

>>605320

Whatever you do, DO NOT GO TO BIBLE STUDY WITH THEM! You can do whatever you want, but DO NOT GO TO BIBLE STUDY WITH THEM! You can try to debate them and convert them away, you can try to talk with them and just make friends, you can try to make them leave you alone forever, but DO NOT GO TO BIBLE STUDY WITH THEM!

DO NOT GO TO BIBLE STUDY WITH THEM!

Only last point, before I leave, DO NOT GO TO BIBLE STUDY WITH THEM!

>Tl;dr: DO NOT GO TO BIBLE STUDY WITH THEM!

Christanon 02/15/18 (Thu) 19:33:49 2d5a41 No.605864

>>605860

Speaking from experience, Anon?

Christanon 02/15/18 (Thu) 19:34:40 7091d9 No.605865

>>605830

this

>>605860

personal experience?

Christanon 02/15/18 (Thu) 19:42:23 69f51e No.605870

>>605864

>>605865

Thankfully not my own personal experience, but knowing converted JWs. Bible study is where they get you. Nobody gets converted at the doorway, it’s when they invite you to Bible study they get you, and they flood you with a barrage of JW dogma which you won’t be able to refute because you won’t have a Bible on you or access to outside sources. The entire environment is designed to push you in, you won’t really have an option to go and then say “thanks, but that wasn’t for me.” DO NOT GO TO BIBLE STUDY WITH THEM!

Christanon 02/15/18 (Thu) 21:10:02 32bfba No.605891

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>>605320

I've been looking up the last few months on how to refute their denial of Jesus' Divinity after being approached by one on the street close to my house.

It seemed from my experience they can't fathom how two persons can be of one being.

The JW even said "How can you and your own father be the same person?"

And I responded "We don't believe they are the same person, but they have the same substance."

Just like me and my father are both human beings, so too are The Son and The Father the same Divine substance.

But i guess it just went over her head because she didn't believe.

>Why do they deny the doctrine of Trinity?

Proving the Divinity of Christ will make their theology drop like a house of cards.

A great, less common argument against a JW would come from Alexander of Alexandria who wrote against the Arian Heretics of his day, it goes like this:

>There was a time when Christ was not

This was the slogan of Arius the heretic who propagated the denial of Jesus as the second person of the trinity by equating him with a creature (coming into existence). However this slogan has a huge logical contradiction within it.

>There was a time when he was not.

JW affirm that Jesus is Jehovah's first creation. And through Jesus all other things came into being.

However TIME itself is a thing.

How could the change occur of Christ coming into existence without any time taking place?

Change can only occur under the form of time.

< 3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. John 1.3

How silly are these people to believe Christ came into being through himself. Let alone for Christ to be preëxistent time itself'

Genesis 1.1 "In the beginning God created…"

I ask you fellow brothers in Christ not to be deceived.

<… these stupid men understand not the insanity of their own words.

- Epistle on the Arian Heresy

< First believe, then understand. Now to whom God gives that when he has believed he soon understands; that is God's gift, not human frailness. Still, if you do not yet understand, believe: One God the Father, God Christ the Son of God.

-A Sermon to Catechumens on the Creed St. Augustine

Christanon 02/15/18 (Thu) 23:02:47 7b419f No.605932

>>605891

>ë

whut

Christanon 02/15/18 (Thu) 23:47:58 48f57c No.605944

>>605932

>It is used to indicate that the e is to be pronounced separately from the preceding vowel (e.g. in the word "reëntry").

Let me be clear, we believe Christ is preëxistent as well as eternal.

However arians also believe Christ is somehow preëxistent however He came into being before all other things (including time) which makes no logical sense.

Christanon 02/15/18 (Thu) 23:53:13 7b419f No.605946

>>605944

Are dashes too peasant-tier for you?

Christanon 02/15/18 (Thu) 23:58:17 2b3ec7 No.605948

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>>605946

>A single letter in a 400 word post derails an entire thread.

The state of /christian/ these days.

Christanon 02/16/18 (Fri) 00:03:50 2de493 No.605949

>>605838

Calvinism is not patrician. Their churches are usually a little better than most of the competing Protestant churches though.