/christian/ - Christian Discussion and Fellowship

>>605132

I don't know if I'd agree with the percentages, but the categories are alright. I'd also describe Secular Christians as more "Cultural Christians," cause when I hear Secular Christian it sounds to me like someone who is Christian but who's just more concerned with the world, whereas Cultural Christian sounds to me like someone who isn't Christian at all except they were raised in a Christian culture. I don't know if that's just how my brain works or if thats normal

>>605138

Yeah, I meant "secular christian" in much the say way that people refer to "secular jews"

You also have depressed nihilists that are not religious because of a lack of substantial evidence but do not subscribe to futurist ideologies

>t. One of them

I mean the pointlessness of everything is a real bummer but pretending I’ll live forever riiiight after I die I I do x or y (Christian or otherwise) seems too much like a cop out to get my hopes up.

>>605132

You forgot to add "closeted satanist" to the renegades.

>>605179

Then they aren't really atheists. The only atheists that are "satanists" are the edgy goths tryhards

>>605132

>TFW you have been all of those in the past 10 years before finding Christ

>>605132

>tfw when believe it is humanity's goal to colonize the galaxy and become technologically advanced near the level of God.

Still very Catholic as I prefer social stability and tradition coinciding with technological progress. Even if it means draining the Earth of all its resources to do so

>>605132

>and has the hubris to secretly think that it is humanity's destiny to colonize the galaxy

Well, to be fair, humans were created to rule creation so it has a point.

>>605132

I would argue that at least 60% of American Christians, those who identify as such, do not believe in God or His incarnation. They are more likely to believe in karma or say "I'm spiritual but not religious" without even actually being spiritual. A shocking number of Christians I have spoken to have no idea what the Trinity is, or that Jesus Christ is literally God. Most Christians, if pressed about it, will probably articulate a belief that resembles Arianism, but that it doesn't really matter because the important thing is God wants us to be happy.

>40% - Secular Christians: Those who are atheists yet still functionally Christian in the sense that they still ascribe almost entirely to standard Christian ethics. Give to the poor, do not judge others, we are all equal, forgiveness in all things, non-violence and turn the other cheek, etc. Talks about income inequality like its the most important thing in the world. Probably voted for Bernie. Left-leaning, viciously opposed to the death penalty or any form of harsh punishment for criminals. Unironically thinks human life has inherent value despite being Atheist.

As an atheist, I hate these "spiritual but not religious" douchebags. I have more respect for people who actually have skin in the game, whether they strongly believe in God or not. At least they're risking something.

>>605527

>Having a strong belief is risking something

I don't even really disagree with the sentiment, but you're at most risking some of your time (most of which everyone will waste anyway). Unless you're actually part of a religious ordination where it's the core of your life's day to day activities. That is excluding those few anti-theists who have invested a lot of their lives into, and are able to build a career out of, spreading the teaching of the father of lies (Dawkins, Harris, etc.)

>>605463

>but that it doesn't really matter because the important thing is God wants us to be happy.

No. Perhaps when we get to Heaven, but here on Earth God wants us to have wisdom and truth. He wants us to walk in his ways. This is important, not an afterthought.

◄ Matthew 10:33-35 ►

But whoever denies Me before men, I will also deny him before My Father in heaven. Do not assume that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword.

>>605534

>but you're at most risking some of your time

And your career in some instances.

>>605148

Choosing to despair rather than hope. You've got a demon on you buddy.

Consider: You are -choosing- to believe there is no life after death despite that you would like such. There's no proof either way, you can never be proved wrong (cause, if you were wrong you wouldn't exist to experience your wrongness) yet you persist in believe against your own interests…

What else could that be but a demon?

>>605140

Christian isn't a race or ethnicity though.

>>605610

I’m pretty sure if I went to a priest and asked for some manner of demon removal they wouldn’t say I had a demon on me

>>605613

if you're catholic they might. probably would splash holy water on you first and see what happens.

>>605614

I’m demonstrably non-catholic

>>605612

ironic memes was a mistake, im glad im not 14 anymore

I think your loaded descriptions probably say more about your faith than others.

>>605132

>tfw i used to be part of the 5% anti-natalist

am i cool now?

>>605632

#whatyousayiswhatyouare

>christian morality is left leaning

Is that the punchline?

How many of these bernie sanders types waits until marriage for sex?

>>605639

>they actually have sex

>>605614

If a demon has lured someone into apostasy would the Church not do an exorcism on the grounds that the person is no longer actively participating in the religion?

>>605132

I'll posit a list of my own:

70% non-idealistic apatheistic hedonists: Those who don't care about ideology and just want to fuck, smoke, drink, etc. They're animals, slaves to sin, and only oppose religion when it tells them to stop being a degenerate piece of hedonistic trash. This is the plebeian mind given form in general. If confronted with religion, it may justify itself with memes from any of the others, but ultimately it is a dumb brutish, wholly servile domestic animal that doesn't actually think about religion…or think at all really.

15% secular humanist: these are the fags you'd call "secular christians". Literally everything about them is basically implementing distorted godless christian ethics. Your modernist category conflates here; technology and science are simply means to the ends of secular humanism. These people hate religion because they think it's evil, even though their concept of evil is ultimately derived from christianity.

12% Crowlean/Occultists: These fuckers have the sort of philosophy of crowley, who synthesized nietzsche's power-centric ideals with the reality of being a pleb. Not necessarily actual occultists; these are the rambunctious types who's whole lives exist as "do what thou will" and "love under will". These types hate religion because it's a limit placed on their free will.

3% Ubermen: These are the business elite, politicians and people who actually have power in society. They don't need to syntesize their evil with plebeian ideas like "sublimation of the will"; they're actually powerful. Technology and science are the means to their deification, and they actually have the money to fund it.These hate religion because god is the only thing they know as being more powerful than them.

>>605614

You've piqued my interest. I'm not Catholic (only ever practiced as a protestant), but I'm going to drop by a church tomorrow and see just how far stating a Christanon thinks I might have a demon will get me. I'll report back with results.

You forgot wolves in sheeps' clothing. Atheist infiltrators into the Church and false churches that are actually atheist in doctrine are serious problems.

>>605871

The definition of "religious nut" ITT

>>605132

I'd say descriptions are pretty damn good, but percentages should be something like 60, 20, 15 and 5 percent respectively. Those who favor progress are just more loud about it.

>>605148

>reducing christianity to be merely a hope of attaining afterlife

Heaven and hell are real here buddy. That is one thing that is pretty obvious (and lends credence to christianity btw)

>>605903

>testing God

yeah, okay

>>607133

>That is one thing that is pretty obvious

Society as a whole would be different if it were obvious.