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For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing, and they have no more reward, for the memory of them is forgotten. Ecclesiastes 9:5

>>601573

That's talking about the people in Sheol, though and no one goes to Sheol since the resurrection.

>>601573

I think that everyone that will post Ecclesiastes (that was about solomons journey through faith and is full of his opinions during his apostasy) on the matter, should be necked.

P.S.

https://www.gotquestions.org/dead-know-nothing.html

>>601574

>>601583

So, you don't agree with Scripture. Noted.

P.S.

Necromancy is a sin.

>>601585

Oh, I do agree with the scripture. I dont agree with illiterate americlap proteshits and their bizzare interpretations of it.

>>601583

>should be necked

>>601586

>illiterate americlap proteshits

Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge. James 4:11

>>601587

In first post I just state my opinion

in my second post, I dont insult anyone. I just describe a fact based on evidence and observation.

>>601571

11 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

2 For by it the elders obtained a good report.

39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:

40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

12 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,

For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

>>601573

This is to be understood as referring to the natural knowledge of separated souls, which knowledge is devoid of obscurity in holy men. But he is not speaking of their knowledge in the Word, for it is clear that when Salomon said this, noone had no such knowledge, since no one had come to the vision of God before Christ's passion.

>>601574

But the destruction of Sheol is in the book of Revelation, which most people consider to be about the future. Do explain.

>>601573

Remember the whole "This day you will be with me in paradise" thing? The Harrowing of Hell is Biblical doctrine.

>>601583

>>601586

Sure, that'll convince him. I'll choose to believe you aren't actually Ortho; they're usually better than this.

>>601650

Revelation also includes the past. The vision of the woman and the dragon is a recount of Christ's birth and ascension.

>>601650

>But the destruction of Sheol is in the book of Revelation,

There are still two persons in Sheol. No more, no less. Not to mention that Limbo of the Infants is a thing. The rest of the just were taken by Christ unto glory as Scripture proclaim: "You ascended the high mount, leading captives in your train" and we say in creed: "He descended into hell"

>>601687

Which two persons?

>>601650

>sheol

It's one of those "priceless" "only jews get this" things people like to carry over from Hebrew like it is somehow different from death. But Ignoring John 8:56 and Psalm 6:5. See below:

<Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad. John 8:56

>For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks? Psalm 6:5

>>601699

Enoch and Elijah aka two witnesses. "It is destined to man to die once" and they died full zero times. So, as described in Ecclesiasticus they will come and preach at end times.

>>601717

>It's one of those "priceless" "only jews get this" things people like to carry over from Hebrew like it is somehow different from death.

While quoting Psalms, Sheol is translated as Hades. Word for death is thanatos. Thanatos and Hades are used as distinct things in NT sometimes next to each other.

>John 8:56

Preexistence of Christ aka when he visited Abraham with Angels before destruction of Sodom

> Psalm 6:5

This is to be understood as referring to the natural knowledge of separated souls, which knowledge is devoid of obscurity in holy men. But he is not speaking of their knowledge in the Word, for it is clear that when David said this, noone had no such knowledge, since no one had come to the vision of God before Christ's passion.

>>601727

>While quoting Psalms, Sheol is translated as Hades. Word for death is thanatos

And notice how Psalm 6:5 makes them equivalent. Just like Revelation 20:13 does.

>>601742

>And notice how Psalm 6:5 makes them equivalent.

I see there no equivalency but correlation

>Just like Revelation 20:13 does.

Do not forget about context. Revelation 1:18 and 6:8 are clear that they are distinct. Bounded, by distinct.

>>601571

There have been testimonies of NDEs and miracles of people that have passed away, revisiting them. Whether or not it's angelic or demonic, I don't know. For example, look at the story of Nick Skubish (http://articles.latimes.com/1994-06-14/news/mn-3969_1_dead-mother). Although the miracle was probably done by angels (and not the dead mother's spirit), there were multiple sighting of passerbys (the car fell off the cliff, was in the ravine) of seeing a naked woman pacing back and forth at the point which the car fell off the road. This prompted the police to search through the area, and they were able to recover the baby boy with minor injuries. It was noted the mother instantaneously died from the crash. I believe around the same time, the mother's sister had a dream of her sister trying to communicate to her through a dream which prompted her to try and locate her:

>Nervously, I was laughing, and I turned her towards me and asked if she was all right. When I looked in her eyes, they were blank and there was no life in them. Her face was inexpressive. She looked like she was in a trance, because she didn’t look at me but through me.

>I asked if she was okay, and she said, “No.”

>I said, “Are you going to be okay?”

>She looked at me with very haunting eyes and with a melancholy expression and again said, “No.”

>http://www.newswithviews.com/Putnam/cris105.htm