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There is no one "pentecostal" church, but here are beliefs many of these churches have in common, even if one specific church may not believe in all of them:

* Strong emphasis on glossolalia ("speaking in tongues") and other "gifts of the Holy Spirit" such as laying on of hands leading to healing. Belief that all Christians have these gifts and a repudiation of the mainstream belief that they were a temporary gift miraculously given to the apostles and ministers of the early Church for the purpose of spreading Christianity faster.

* Glorification of emotion over reason. Feels = reals. Sermons and revivals centered around causing emotional reactions in churchgoers. Many revivals consist of videos that are meant to arouse emotion in viewers, such as graphic depictions of the passion of Christ leading to crying, or dramatic videos of missions leading to joy, et cetera. That's not to say Pentecostals don't use what they see as rational theological arguments, but rational argumentation takes a backseat to emotion.

* Repudiation of once saved always saved. Belief that works are required for salvation. Belief that if a believer doesn't endure to the end, they never actually even got saved. Dim view of backslidden Christians.

* Creative interpretations of the trinity, bending the Nicene creed to the breaking point or even breaking it completely. Modalism, unitarianism, et cetera are common in Pentecostal denominations.

>>596962

Thanks man

>>596960

Yeah that was my first impression of when I went to church. Parents used to speak in tongues all the time at home

>>596963

No problem. One I forgot is promoting a prosperity gospel, another common hallmark of Pentecostal churches.

>>596969

That's interesting. I thought prosperity gospel was unique to televangelist and mega churches.

Maybe Lady Gaga takes influences from them.

>>596974

>That's interesting. I thought prosperity gospel was unique to televangelist and mega churches.

Nope, tons of smaller churches preach a prosperity gospel, "power of positive thinking", et cetera. Every Joel Olsteen started somewhere after all. Pentecostal theology, especially the healing stuff, draws in charlatans, and charlatans love to preach a prosperity gospel, so it really is not a surprise.

The theology of popular televangelists is Pentecostal/Charismatic as well:

Joel Olsteen, arguably the most famous preacher in the world, is a Charismatic. (From wiki: Lakewood Church is a non-denominational charismatic Christian megachurch)

Creflo Dollar's church, the World Changers Church, believes in speaking in tongues. I've watched his (awful) program before and would explain his theology as thoroughly Charismatic. http://www.worldchangers.org/our-beliefs#statement-of-belief

Pentecostalism is deeply heretical, OP. We hate it because it damns people to Hell, plain and simple.

>>596962

+sacramental salvation in baptism and "being filled with the Holy Ghost" by which they usually mean tongue talking.

>>597024

Wait is he explicitly charismatic or only implicitly

>>596957

>Can anyone tell me what the Pentecostal church teaches

That clear telltale signs of demonic possession (speaking in tongues, convulsing like an epileptic, etc) are actually the Holy Spirit working within you

>>596979

>lolita

oh boy

>>597024

I wouldn't lump Osteen in with the Pentecostal's. I know Pentecostal's, they dislike the guy as much as any other denomination does.

The hyper faith movement has killed the teaching on the Holy Spirit. Pastor's are afraid to mention the Holy Spirit as not to scare anyone away, so they avoid talking about the third person of the trinity in any capacity. It's a shame.

>>596960

And yet will the mods ban this shit? Nah, course not, it's probably a mod who wrote it

>>597024

Never heard of Joel Olsteen and Creflo Dollar, searched on YouTube, watch a few second, retain vomit. Olsteen looks like a crypto-kike anyways, what's expect?

>>600713

No, because your practice is wrong and ridiculous. But they neither banned me - despite being majority or all Cathloic - for saying that saint/idol/Mary/papist worship is idolatry, which it is.

>>600713

Your practices are very unbiblical, to say the least. To pretend to be blessed with the Holy Spirit and babbling like madmen to be "in" the church is very misguided and boastful. Lying to yourself to be blessed with the Holy Spirit is, in my opinion, going in the direction of blaspheming it. Once I visitied a church and felt like I was in a pagan/Satanic ritual; it is eerie, unnatural, and ridiculous to listen to and look at.

>>600524

>I wouldn't lump Osteen in with the Pentecostal's. I know Pentecostal's, they dislike the guy as much as any other denomination does.

Osteen's own church describes itself as Charismatic, which is pretty much synonymous with Pentecostal.

Osteen is much more liberal than most other Pentecostals, and many would probably not want fellowship with him. However, this does not make Osteen not a pentecostal.

Different Baptists also disagree with each other, for example, about dispensationalism and the timing of the rapture, sometimes we disagree so strongly we refuse to fellowship with someone who has a different idea about the timing of the rapture. However we're still Baptists.

Osteen is a Pentecostal, just like Peter Ruckman and Steven Anderson are both Baptists. If we have to make a different word for every slight difference in doctrine, and not come up with any overarching doctrinal groups, then we can't talk about denominations at all.

>>600734

>Charismatic, which is pretty much synonymous with Pentecostal.

LOL

Oh, kid, you really have much to learn

>>600737

Not an argument

They believe the gift of tongues means speaking and praying in what sounds to be the language of Chewbacca. And some say you aren't saved if you don't go "babababbalakalakebslskfbskall" and say you felt warm and fuzzy doing that.

However Isaiah, Acts, and Corinthians read side by side show it to be the supernatural ability from God to speak the gospel in another unlearned, but existing language.

God did just that in acts.