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1eb775 No.596297

Why or why not?

edf089 No.596301

File: d6771bb1529871b⋯.jpg (48.25 KB, 638x300, 319:150, 1490177957690.jpg)

>>596297

No. Now BEGOME


901f46 No.596302

>this piece of bread is literally God, trust me

Seems like idolatry tbh. Thinking something physical is God is the definition of idolatry


edf089 No.596303

>>596302

>jesus didn't have a physical body

I want docetists to leave


1eb775 No.596304

>>596301

Already am.

What's the guy in embed's problem?

Why do they hate our Lady so?


430478 No.596305

>>596303

I think he meant inanimate objects.


edf089 No.596308

>>596304

I don't know, the video was so cringy that I quit watching once he started implying the priest(s) was a pedophile. He's clearly angry at seeing other christians actually living out their beliefs and practicing piety and virtue because deep down he knows his beliefs have no legitimacy.


1eb775 No.596309

>>596302

>This bible is literally the Word of God, trust me.

Seems like idolatry, lad.


c4f089 No.596314

>>596303

>>596309

Why do Catholics on this board argue like this? Catholicism has great apologists, yet none of them come on this board. He obviously wasn’t talking about Jesus, he was obviously talking about inanimate objects. And nobody in this thread claimed The Bible was Jesus, so that’s also a stupid response. C*tholics on this board argue in one way:

>Read what other guy said

>Take the most bizarre interpretation of what he said, and then try to convince that that’s what he meant

>The whole time, operate on the assumption that your opponent is a Charasmatic King James Onlyist Lutheran who listens to either Steven Anderson or their female pastor

>Never address your opponents point(s). Try to convince your opponent they said crazier and crazier things. Respond only to your imaginary crazy opponent until your real opponent leaves

Catholicism has a long history of scholasticism, Thomas Aquinas especially comes to mind. You’d think at least one Catholic on this board argue using something better than bad faith.

Watch as Catholics learn nothing from this post, and respond to it saying stuff like “are you saying Catholics don’t know how to read?” or “why do you think Catholic apologists don’t exist? I want prots to leave!” without any hint of irony


d858e9 No.596316

>>596301

>muh

ignored


1eb775 No.596318

>>596314

Relax, friend.

>Why do Catholics on this board argue like this?

I was merely replying to a shitpost with a shitpost.

>nobody in this thread claimed The Bible was Jesus

True, but it's a claim that I've seen in some threads and heard in person or videos on youtube

Truth is I'm still quite a novice when it comes to theology so I wouldn't test my apologetic abilities here. I came to hear arguments not make them.

Shitposting is not an argument


61f390 No.596320

protestants cannot keep to a scriptural definition of idolatry in their heresy

1. it is to literally worship a fake, man-made god/gods.

Catholicism cannot be accused of the first, because we worship Christ, and we venerate Mary in order to worship Christ, her true son and True God. Protestants constantly come close to complete apostasy because they deny she is the Mother of God.

2. pagans in the OT literally worshiped these statues/idols as gods.

literally worshiped. as in, build a statue and do child sacrifices or some other things to it.

again, Catholicism cannot be accused of point 2, because it is a re-presentation of Christ's sacrifice, and a literal re-presentation of the Last Supper.

Protestants (mostly baptists) have a definition of idolatry that isn't even remotely biblical.


61f390 No.596322

>>596320

>again, Catholicism cannot be accused of point 2, because it is a re-presentation of Christ's sacrifice, and a literal re-presentation of the Last Supper.

referring to the Eucharist here


c4f089 No.596323

>>596314

Actually, there’s more ways Catholics (on this board only) argue

>Assume your opponent has bad faith. There’s NO WAY someone could hold a serious conviction. They must be holding a belief for selfish reasons, even if that belief doesn’t help them materially.Protestants only hold beliefs out of spite, according to Catholics on this board

>Hold yourself and your opponent to different standards. You don’t need to produce a single Bible verse backing up your argument, but your opponent not only needs a Bible verse, it needs to be one (1) Bible verse, and that one (1) Bible verse needs to thoroughly explain the doctrine using the exact same wording as your opponent had been using.

>While your at it, reframe any situation to be in your favor. For example, let’s say Catholics and Protestants have a doctrinal dispute, and it looks Muslims side with Protestants on the issue. The response should be “you protestants are just like Muslims! Why don’t you go bow to Mecca? Do you accept Muhammad as a prophet?” continue to use “pbuh” after mentioning any protestant leader to drive this point home. However, let’s say there’s a doctrinal dispute between Catholics and Protestants, and it looks like Muslims side with Catholics on the issue. Now you need to say “wow! Protestants are literally worse than Muslims! Even Muslims agree with us on this issue! Protestants are worse than Muslims confirmed!” it doesn’t matter that you’re being a hypocrite, it’s the best tactic you have

>while you’re at it, just assume your opponent is a straight-up spy. There’s no way anyone could believe in Protestantism. Decide if you think your opponent is a Jew in disguise, or a Muslim in disguise, and then you can disregard anything they say

I could honestly go on. How can you guys have this scholastic tradition but refuse to use it? I don’t get it


61f390 No.596324

another common protestant error in their "idolatry" criticism, they come dangerously close to accusing Christ Himself of "idolatry" by instituting the Eucharist at the Last Supper.

curiously, much the same way they might accuse God of "idolatry", for ornamenting the Ark with gold and cherubim, and other specifications in the OT

really makes u think…


c4f089 No.596326

>>596324

Yes, you’ve got it! Protestants do NOT believe that Jesus Christ didn’t institute the Catholic practice of the Eucharist. Protestants believe that Christ instituted the Catholic practice of the Eucharist, and that he was an idolatar! It’s not that Protestants believe Jesus wasn’t Catholic, they just think Jesus committed idolatry, Brilliant! You’ve ended Protestantism!


61f390 No.596328

>>596326

Jesus: This is my body. This is my blood. Do this in remembrance of me.

>early church and apostolic church do this uninterrupted for 2,000 years

protestants: he didn't mean it >:)


c4f089 No.596329

You really start to understand why that “brilliant response to your hallucination of what I said” pasta is posted by Baptists on this board so much. Catholics on this board argue entirely by responding to hallucinations


61f390 No.596331

>>596329

All mistakes must be corrected.


c4f089 No.596334

>>596328

No no, you had it the first time. Protestants don’t think the Lord’s supper is an important ordinance, and they definitely don’t do it in remembrance of Christ. Protestants believe Jesus was an idolatar, cause that’s about as crazy a belief can get and you people are on a goal to attribute the craziest belief to us. Just stick with “Protestants believe Jesus was an idolatar” for the rest of this thread/rest of this board/rest of your life


c4f089 No.596336

>>596331

The mistake was assuming people with a scholastic tradition knew anything


61f390 No.596337

>>596334

If Christ instituted the Eucharist then and there, then yes, by most Protestant definitions, Christ did in fact commit idolatry by saying His Body and His Blood were transubstantiated then and there.

>>596336

As opposed to what? British empiricism?


c4f089 No.596339

>>596337

Yeah there we go! Protestants don’t have a differing interpretation of what Jesus was doing and saying, Protestants just believe in the Catholic interpretation while also hating Jesus. You unironically believe this because all you do is ignore what we say, attribute to us crazy beliefs we don’t hold, and then assume we’re arguing in bad faith anyway. So fuck it, yes. Protestants believe Jesus was an idolater, why not? You caught us!


61f390 No.596340

>>596339

>Protestants believe Jesus was an idolater, why not?

If Catholics are idolaters, then so is Christ.


e1cb9c No.596341

>>596334

OP here, different device.

I want to read your arguments, not your spergout, pal.


c4f089 No.596345

>>596340

Of course, man! Protestants don’t interpret the Bible differently from Catholics, we’re just “The Catholic Church against Christ.” I should have ripped this band aid off years ago, why did I ever think the Catholics on this board would be anything like the saints they admire? Sure, St. Thomas Aquinas argues from his understanding, but Catholics on this board do one better by arguing from their intentional lack of understanding!

So sure man, I’m not arguing against you. Protestants believe Jesus was an idolatar. What else does your hallucination of Protestantism believe, I can match it with something crazier! It’s all just fucking lunacy being argued in bad faith over here!


e1cb9c No.596346

>>596339

>>596341

In other words

>do this in remembrance of me

What did he mean by this?


61f390 No.596347

>>596345

Sounds like you're coming close to joining the authentic Church of Christ. Accept the Eucharist, and we'll be happy to have you.


e1cb9c No.596349

File: 298599a9a632934⋯.jpg (21.62 KB, 600x553, 600:553, wjkhg.jpg)

>>596347

This.

Come home, baptistbro.

We love you.


47f8f4 No.596358

I don't know which part of this thread is funnier, the Baptist's sarcasm, or the Catholic's cluelessness


61f390 No.596365

>>596358

I know he's being ironic, but even in his irony, he is wrong. You either accept Christ's Church, or you reject the Bride and thus, the Bridegroom.


34fc7b No.596371

Psalm 119:165

Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.


7b8985 No.596446

>>596297

This is so aggravating. These people could spend this time trying to evangelize to non-Christians.


afe6d2 No.596450

File: 5864367dcbd6241⋯.jpeg (98.04 KB, 450x300, 3:2, E78451FF-BD2C-4034-8D4A-2….jpeg)

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Yes, they make and bow down to graven images

(USER WAS WARNED FOR THIS POST)

a82588 No.596476

Maybe not, but them using statues for services makes me feel extremely uncomfortable.


2cdebd No.596477

>open thread

>ctrl+f latria (0 results)

>ctrl+f dulia (0 results)

what the heck? i thought that was your bread and butter argument against this charge

>skim thread to see what arguments are actually being used by catholics/orthodox ITT

wew

i am curious about something,

are there any non-cathodox denominations who don't think catholics/orthodox practice idolatry?

ones that buy the latria/dulia distinction being meaningful in a religious context?


edf089 No.596478

>>596314

>>596323

And this is how baptists argue: When they have no arguments, heretics always address the manner of arguing or the other person's character instead of the arguments themselves.


c4f089 No.596481

>>596478

If you think the posts were attacking the character of Catholics, and not attacking how bad the arguments are, you’re fucking delusional. Of course, you do know my posts were attacking the arguments, but the way you people argue is by ignoring whatever I say and arguing against your lunatic hallucination of what I say. So sure, praising Catholics for their scholastic tradition is me attacking their character! Why not? My posts explaining why all their arguments are bad doesn’t address their arguments, sure, why not? I’d say you’re “proving my point,” but it doesn’t matter cause nobody’s reading these posts anyway. I could say anything


edf089 No.596484

>>596481

>if you think the posts were attacking the character of Catholics, and not attacking how bad the arguments are, you’re fucking delusional

<calls catholics c*tholics to imply they're cucks

Have you no self-awareness or are you legitimately mentally impaired?


c4f089 No.596490

>>596484

>calls catholics c*tholics to imply they're cucks

What the hell is this lunacy? The asterisks meme started cause tumblr users would censor certain words that might trigger people (for example, D*nald Tr*mp) and it became a meme on /pol/. Some other Baptist started to exclusively refer to Catholics as “C*tholics” on this board, and I sometimes take after that guy. But even asterisks carries the lunatic meaning you say they do, you’re claiming that one asterisks is enough to turn nine (9) posts into personal attacks, as opposed to attacks on yourabsolute lack of arguments.


edf089 No.596491

>>596490

Yeah, sorry but you're not going to be able to weasel yourself out of that one, friend. It's a well known fact that after you guy(s) started getting banned for calling others cucktholics you started using the asterisks instead. It makes no sense why you would use the normal spelling sometimes and the asterisks the other times.

You probably think you're clever but this is all very transparent to everyone else.


2cdebd No.596493

>>596491

>this is all very transparent to everyone else.

not me, i've always thought the asterisk thing was a play on how jews use G*d instead of God, and it just shows playful antipathy toward the group.

i would've never made the connection to cuckoldry and still don't see it.

i've seen b*ptist and orth*dox on here from time to time too.

probably doesn't stand for buckptist or orthuckdox.


c4f089 No.596494

>>596491

No mate, you are just incorrect. If you go on 4chan /pol/ right now, I guarantee there is probably a troll thread using the term “wh*te people” as an example of the asterisks meme. cucktholic isn’t completely different from c*tholic, and even if c*tholic did mean cucktholic it wouldn’t turn ten (10) posts into a personal attack


c4f089 No.596495

>>596493

That’s actually a good point, b*ptist and orth*dox is used on this board too, c*tholic is just a version of that


c191ee No.596508

>>596491

You're pretty much doing everything the Baptist is accusing you of doing.


34fc7b No.596528

>>596491

No idea what this is talking about


cb6303 No.596545

>>596297

>There is no such thing as a trinity

What is this heretical bs


2cdebd No.596549

>>596450

>(USER WAS WARNED FOR THIS POST)

he's right though


458269 No.596570

>Muh bible says this

>this means that my denomination that I personally founded last year is the only correct one! Apostolics BTFO!

Someone explain this to me. The bible wasn't fully written until several generations after Jesus' death, wasn't compiled until the fourth century and it wasn't physically possible to distribute to everyone until after the printing press become established. How can protestants believe it wasn't possible to actually follow those beliefs for the first 1500 years?


467762 No.596572

>>596545

huh? what time?


c4f089 No.596586

>>596570

Yeah you got us. Us lunatic Protestants believe that everybody was Catholic until the 1500s, and we also believe outside of our specific congregation there is no salvation. Thanks for explaining to us what we believe

>>596572

It’s in the first few minutes, around 2:20. This guy is an actual lunatic, funnily enough


458269 No.596595

Why did you bother replying to my post if you're not going to answer my question? How can you believe in Sola Scriptura and reading the bible for yourself when this wasn't possible until the printing press was widespread?


47f8f4 No.596611

>>596549

That's why the (((mods))) banned him they don't tolerate calls to righteousness


47f8f4 No.596613

File: f5d49ebf6aa30b6⋯.png (74.68 KB, 645x729, 215:243, brainlet.png)

>>596595

>reading the bible wasn't possible until the printing press


458269 No.596619

>>596613

It took an immense amount of time to copy a bible before the printing press, and there wasn't enough copies to hand out to everyone.

Besides, barely anyone could read, baka.


47f8f4 No.596623

>>596619

>It took an immense amount of time to copy a bible before the printing press

And yet they did it

>there wasn't enough copies to hand out to everyone

There were enough for everyone who could read, which in the Roman Empire was quite a few

>Besides, barely anyone could read

It doesn't matter. Every Christian should study scripture, but sola scriptura doesn't mean "bible study". It means the bible is the final authority in the church. So if you have just a literate pastor and none of the congregants are literate, that does not endanger sola scriptura. In fact, he could preach exactly nothing straight out of the bible, and still practice sola scriptura, so long as everything he preaches comes from the bible.


cb6303 No.596634

>>596572

yeah like the baptistbro said >>596586

its around the three minute mark


cb6303 No.596635

>>596623

>There were enough for everyone who could read, which in the Roman Empire was quite a few

I'd really love a source on this


be8318 No.596637

>>596623

Please gib verse in which Jesus gave us the command to only follow what is said in the Holy Writ?

>>596613

What about the earliest Christians who only got their doctrine from the apostles and not from the Holy Writ?


47f8f4 No.596643

>>596637

>Please gib verse in which Jesus gave us the command to only follow what is said in the Holy Writ?

There is no such command, because that is a strawman. There is, however, a command that the holy scriptures are to be the final authority in matters ecclesiastical, and to alone be regarded as divine revelation, and that all things are to be subject to the negative of scripture.

>What about the earliest Christians who only got their doctrine from the apostles and not from the Holy Writ?

The early Christians got their doctrine from divine revelation, which during the apostolic age was both in the form of scripture and apostolic preaching, a twofold revelation which is abrogated with the abrogation of the office of apostle.


be8318 No.596646

File: f2e16bcbb516ac4⋯.jpg (41.36 KB, 590x600, 59:60, f2e16bcbb516ac4e246c17f3a1….jpg)

>>596643

>there is…a command that the holy scriptures are to be the final authority in matters ecclesiastical

gib sauce pls


47f8f4 No.596648

>>596646

Mark 7:6-13


a796b6 No.596650

>>596477

Most Oriental Orthodox and other "non-aligned" rites (Copts, Armenians, Ethiopian, Assyrian etc.) have the same latria-dulia-hyperdulia distinctions that we do, if by Cathodox you mean "Latin-Greek rite" and not just "Apostolic".


be8318 No.596655

>>596648

consider me converted

:^)


d19852 No.596718

OP, I will not "confirm or deny" as they say lest I get banned for truthposting. Perhaps I can lead you in a direction where you can make your own judgements and conclusions. Research Nimrod and how he was later defied. This area of research will lead you into more solid conclusions.


50b43c No.596721

File: 4732404b539c863⋯.png (248.65 KB, 368x425, 368:425, memes 124.png)

>>596450

btfos Catholics

>USER WAS WARNED FOR THIS POST

Kek


405391 No.596736

Ok did no one else catch the part where that 'protestor' denies the Holy Trinity? Literally everything else he says can be completely ignored, because he is not actually a Christian if he denies the Holy Trinity.


467762 No.596789

>>596736

we did, look here >>596634 >>596586


34fc7b No.596835

File: 768859868e4b9cb⋯.gif (2.87 MB, 509x286, 509:286, 1376374652181.gif)

>>596736

Street preaching, not even once


494cf3 No.596865

>>596314

>Why do Catholics on this board argue like this?

Shitpost in, shitpost out.


61f390 No.596936

>>596586

your method of posting discredits you, are you actually a baptist?

>>596570

Protestants' personal idea of idolatry in regards to criticizing Catholicism is absolutely unbiblical as I previously stated here >>596320. Their own idea of "idolatry" would be enough to condemn Christ at His own Last Supper.

>>596481

You're not posting anything in the way of refuting any argument, you just green-text impotently.


34fc7b No.596949

File: 0ea391318d189ed⋯.jpg (71.1 KB, 852x480, 71:40, 9_20.jpg)

>>596936

>your method of posting discredits you

>>596340 >>596347 >>596324

Coming from the person who made these posts, that doesn't say much.


2b567a No.596976

>>596476

>iconoclast

Is it the 8th century again? Basileus Isauros?


f9305a No.596997

>>596976

>Catholic education

There is a difference between statues and icons.


d20ff6 No.597005

>>596297

>>596314

>>596450

They're intended to ask the saints to pray for them, not pray to saints.


6adb21 No.597053

>>596997

>protestant ortholarp education

The Greek word eikōn means an image or likeness that represents something else. It also includes statues and even humans for we are icons made in God's image


66a8a7 No.597064

File: 3ee020520f7aaa1⋯.jpg (327.91 KB, 1024x757, 1024:757, Penitents Celebrate Holy W….jpg)

File: 0865e05665012ff⋯.jpg (432.22 KB, 1180x840, 59:42, Holy Week in Spain 7.jpg)

File: a70832f2cbf9fc3⋯.jpg (291.96 KB, 1180x787, 1180:787, Antonio Banderas - Holy We….jpg)

File: 26027d111dae874⋯.jpg (1.19 MB, 4096x2731, 4096:2731, Spanish Catholics.jpg)

File: 44d73d277ced191⋯.jpg (274.39 KB, 1180x802, 590:401, Holy Week in Spain 6.jpg)

DULIA

HYPERDULIA

LATRIA

Learn the difference.


9efeab No.597075

File: aeadadabb388e01⋯.jpg (109.76 KB, 500x661, 500:661, identifying protestant her….jpg)

>0:46

>you need to be baptized in Jesus Christ name

See lads? That's how you identify an Arian heretic.


710dac No.597080

>>596789

My apologies, I got flustered and didn't read the thread carefully enough.


b095f0 No.597218

>>596481

I am reading and you are doing a horrible job defending your views.


61f390 No.597321

>>596949

You have not posted a single thing in opposition to any of my points. Not a single fig. I'm still waiting for the best baptist among you to prove that your definition of "idolatry" is biblical, (see >>596320) and nobody is saying anything.


2cdebd No.597338

File: f26d3d80fbc2833⋯.png (674.84 KB, 1008x855, 112:95, Augustine.png)


34fc7b No.597387

>>597321

Proverbs 15:12

A scorner loveth not one that reproveth him: neither will he go unto the wise.


c2738f No.597424

>>597005

You do both


c2738f No.597425

File: c525aea2d857a4a⋯.png (237.8 KB, 390x407, 390:407, B8563FD2-03CD-4D05-A430-42….png)


031d3c No.597441

File: 04f2e2e31196a1a⋯.gif (2.59 MB, 200x150, 4:3, 04f2e2e31196a1a678df5d92ae….gif)

>>597425

All that attention to detail, it's perfect.


61f390 No.597459

>>597387

Quit using scripture to defend your attacks on the Blessed Mother, this is blasphemy. Either prove I'm wrong or admit you're wrong.


2ded9e No.597694

>>596301

2D is allowed 3D is heretical


f314ef No.597715

>>597459

>Poster: “Catholics make and bow to graven images”

>*shows pictures of Catholics bowing to graven images*

>(you): “oy vey, you’re attacking Mary!”

Once again, you people are incapable of responding to arguments put forth. You only respond to your imagination


f9237b No.597729

>>597715

do people who bow to kings worship them?


f314ef No.597733

>>597729

I don’t know, is there a command in The Bible that says “thou shalt not bow down to kings”? Cause there is a command not to bow down to graven images, it’s Exodus 20:5


f9237b No.597750

>>597733

I can never quite understand if baptists are intellectually dishonest or legitimately not intelligent enough to grasp things.

If you claim that bowing down to statues is an offence to God because it inevitably means you are worshipping them, that means that following your logic all bowing down implies worship. So is a person bowing down to a king and telling him "please help me with this matter" mean that he is worshipping him? Or can that person bow to that king without worshipping, by virtue of the fact his reverence towards him is obviously meant as a form of respect for his higher authority and not as a form of worship both in his intention and in practice?

It is a simple question, so please don't grasp at straws and be intellectually honest baptist-kun.


f314ef No.597765

>>597750

>If you claim that bowing down to statues is an offence to God because it inevitably means you are worshipping them

I can’t claim to know all the reasonings behind what God commanded, but I know God commanded us not to bow to statues. Exodus 20:5 doesn’t say “don’t bow to them and worship,” nor does it say “don’t bow to them because that is worship,” it says “don’t bow to them.” Full stop. “Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them.” More that it says “nor” serve them, meaning it’s not saying that you shall not bow and serve, it’s saying you can’t bow to them and you can’t serve them.


2cdebd No.597770

File: 87d4f5625c9530b⋯.png (455.07 KB, 500x632, 125:158, blue.png)

>>597750

>So is a person bowing down to a king and telling him "please help me with this matter" mean that he is worshipping him?

yes.

but the context is different, one is civil, one is religious.

"When Christ repels Satan’s insulting proposal with the words, “It is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve,” (Matthew 4:10,) there was no question of latria. For all that Satan asked was “proskunesis”, (obeisance.) In like manners when John is rebuked by the angel for falling on his knees before him (Revelation 19:10; 22:8, 9,) we ought not to suppose that John had so far forgotten himself as to have intended to transfer the honor due to God alone to an angel. 'But because it was impossible that a worship connected with religion should not savor somewhat of divine worship, he could not “proskunein” (do obeisance to) the angel without derogating from the glory of God. True, we often read that men were worshipped; but that was, if I may so speak, civil honor. The case is different with religious honor, which, the moment it is conjoined with worship, carries profanation of the divine honor along with it. The same thing may be seen in the case of Cornelius, (Acts 10:25.) He had not made so little progress in piety as not to confine supreme worship to God alone. Therefore, when he prostrates himself before Peter, he certainly does it not with the intention of adoring him instead of God. Yet Peter sternly forbids him. And why, but just because men never distinguish so accurately between the worship of God and the creatures as not to transfer promiscuously to the creature that which belongs only to God. Therefore, if we would have one God, let us remember that we can never appropriate the minutest portion of his glory without retaining what is his due." (Institutes of the Christian Religion, volume 1 chapter 12)


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c2738f No.597810


40ede2 No.598498

>>597694

I always knew you easterners were weebs


b74baf No.598500

File: 35191a15632fa53⋯.jpeg (267.58 KB, 764x1080, 191:270, 35216814-35AD-4712-AD03-5….jpeg)


2a49b8 No.598529

>>598500

DELET THIS


9667c1 No.607399

File: d7ab1b749afe661⋯.jpg (10.8 KB, 172x293, 172:293, jesus.jpg)

File: 4489cbad8ca3af2⋯.jpg (10.02 KB, 183x275, 183:275, stpeter.jpg)

Isaiah 44 King James Version (KJV)

44 Yet now hear, O Jacob my servant; and Israel, whom I have chosen:

2 Thus saith the Lord that made thee, and formed thee from the womb, which will help thee; Fear not, O Jacob, my servant; and thou, Jesurun, whom I have chosen.

3 For I will pour water upon him that is thirsty, and floods upon the dry ground: I will pour my spirit upon thy seed, and my blessing upon thine offspring:

4 And they shall spring up as among the grass, as willows by the water courses.

5 One shall say, I am the Lord's; and another shall call himself by the name of Jacob; and another shall subscribe with his hand unto the Lord, and surname himself by the name of Israel.

6 Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

7 And who, as I, shall call, and shall declare it, and set it in order for me, since I appointed the ancient people? and the things that are coming, and shall come, let them shew unto them.

8 Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.

9 They that make a graven image are all of them vanity; and their delectable things shall not profit; and they are their own witnesses; they see not, nor know; that they may be ashamed.

10 Who hath formed a god, or molten a graven image that is profitable for nothing?

11 Behold, all his fellows shall be ashamed: and the workmen, they are of men: let them all be gathered together, let them stand up; yet they shall fear, and they shall be ashamed together.

12 The smith with the tongs both worketh in the coals, and fashioneth it with hammers, and worketh it with the strength of his arms: yea, he is hungry, and his strength faileth: he drinketh no water, and is faint.

13 The carpenter stretcheth out his rule; he marketh it out with a line; he fitteth it with planes, and he marketh it out with the compass, and maketh it after the figure of a man, according to the beauty of a man; that it may remain in the house.

14 He heweth him down cedars, and taketh the cypress and the oak, which he strengtheneth for himself among the trees of the forest: he planteth an ash, and the rain doth nourish it.

15 Then shall it be for a man to burn: for he will take thereof, and warm himself; yea, he kindleth it, and baketh bread; yea, he maketh a god, and worshippeth it; he maketh it a graven image, and falleth down thereto.

16 He burneth part thereof in the fire; with part thereof he eateth flesh; he roasteth roast, and is satisfied: yea, he warmeth himself, and saith, Aha, I am warm, I have seen the fire:

17 And the residue thereof he maketh a god, even his graven image: he falleth down unto it, and worshippeth it, and prayeth unto it, and saith, Deliver me; for thou art my god.

18 They have not known nor understood: for he hath shut their eyes, that they cannot see; and their hearts, that they cannot understand.

19 And none considereth in his heart, neither is there knowledge nor understanding to say, I have burned part of it in the fire; yea, also I have baked bread upon the coals thereof; I have roasted flesh, and eaten it: and shall I make the residue thereof an abomination? shall I fall down to the stock of a tree?

20 He feedeth on ashes: a deceived heart hath turned him aside, that he cannot deliver his soul, nor say, Is there not a lie in my right hand?

21 Remember these, O Jacob and Israel; for thou art my servant: I have formed thee; thou art my servant: O Israel, thou shalt not be forgotten of me.

22 I have blotted out, as a thick cloud, thy transgressions, and, as a cloud, thy sins: return unto me; for I have redeemed thee.

23 Sing, O ye heavens; for the Lord hath done it: shout, ye lower parts of the earth: break forth into singing, ye mountains, O forest, and every tree therein: for the Lord hath redeemed Jacob, and glorified himself in Israel.

24 Thus saith the Lord, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the Lord that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;

25 That frustrateth the tokens of the liars, and maketh diviners mad; that turneth wise men backward, and maketh their knowledge foolish;

26 That confirmeth the word of his servant, and performeth the counsel of his messengers; that saith to Jerusalem, Thou shalt be inhabited; and to the cities of Judah, Ye shall be built, and I will raise up the decayed places thereof:

27 That saith to the deep, Be dry, and I will dry up thy rivers:

28 That saith of Cyrus, He is my shepherd, and shall perform all my pleasure: even saying to Jerusalem, Thou shalt be built; and to the temple, Thy foundation shall be laid.

Isaiah 44:1-28


9667c1 No.607400

Statue of Liberty /for a time, the Goddess of Liberty replaced the Virgin Mary on several altars.

The Vatican is as fascinating for conspiracy theorists as it is for the Catholic believers. The statues of deities from all sorts of beliefs, which early Christians would have regarded as idols, are now displayed in numerous chambers of the Vatican Palace. The Greek and Roman mythology is best represented, including a hall reuniting much of the ancient pantheon, but the Egyptian art also has a distinct section inside the museum, and Babylonian and other cults are also on display.

For art lovers, these antiquities have long lost their religious significance and are admired solely for the artistic skills of those who made them. For those who accuse the Catholic Church of being part of a giant conspiracy, the occult symbols that are spread allover the place are a proof that the Holy See is holder of a secret doctrine, that is a source of knowledge and power.

The most popular of these conspiracy theories talks about the integration of ancient Greco-Roman beliefs into Christianity. Especially, it is suggested that the solar cult was accommodated with artistic representations of Biblical characters. For example, Apollo, the solar god of the Greeks and Romans, has several statues, including a giant one in the courtyard of the palace, which was used by Michelangelo for the physiognomy of Jesus in the Last Judgment in the Sistine Chapel. Those who reject this theory simply point out that Apollo was viewed as an ideal of male harmony, so was natural for the Florentine artist to use it as a model. The worship of the sun was also part of a complex system of beliefs originating in the Middle East, where astrology was developed. And astrological symbols are present as symbols of the wisdom of the Designer of the universe, though the legends of the mythological characters associated with planets and constellations are no longer considered as serious during the Christian age.

http://www.webphoto.ro/italia/the-pagan-gods-among-the-most-revered-statues-in-vatican-museum.html


9667c1 No.607402

File: e667e9de146edd7⋯.jpg (10.33 KB, 183x275, 183:275, kjv 1611.jpg)

Jesus was Jewish / or let's say spoke on ancient Hebrew!!! Not on Greek or English . the Letter "J" came to English language in 1640,and if we see KJV Bible we will see that there is no letter "J" there .




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