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>>596268

Read Jesus's olivet discourse

>>596268

Revelation 12:17

>And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ

The Bible is not chronological, as this verse implies revelation 6:11 hadn't happened yet. The verse itself it quite literal, the women whose children kept the commandments of God and the testimony of Jesus christ, the church, was/is being warred against by Satan. But you can be sure that revelation 12:17 happens before revelation 6:11 because of the wording of revelation 17:8

>The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

What best fits the description of something that is both

>was, and is not, and shall ascend

>beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

The answer, a hologram. Because it is something that once was. a image of a person or beast, yet is not, because of being light particles, and yet is, because of appearing as light. That and it implies there are christians still dwelling on the earth at that time.

>Does Revelations 13 happen after 12?

Yes because of revelation 12:17 implying there were christians to war with on the eaerth. Along with revelation 13:7 stating that Satan is given power to war against the saints who are presumably on earth to be warred against.

f you want to keep putting the events of revelation in order, may God help you as it is incredibly confusing. Or in my case I am just too lazy to care as the events are going to happen no matter what and there are more pressing concerns before revelation 6:11 is fullfilled. Such as 1 corinthians 14:26.

>>596268

The dragon, Satan, is making war against the Church.

>>596945

>The answer, a hologram.

God have mercy. Did you even read the verse you posted?

>8 'The beast you have seen was once alive and is alive no longer; it is yet to come up from the Abyss, but only to go to its destruction. And the people of the world, whose names have not been written since the beginning of the world in the book of life, will be astonished when they see how the beast was once alive and is alive no longer, and is still to come.

The abyss, Tartarus, is specifically a maximum security prison for certain fallen angels. The Beast isn't a "hologram", that's x-tier nonsense. He is some angel under Satan's command who for whatever reason isn't currently being allowed to do work for him.

>>596268

>Is it wise to try and figure out what this verse means?

Yes. However, anyone you ask you has a good understanding will tell you that understanding it is dependent on end-times prophecy elsewhere in scripture, in particular Daniel 9 and 12 and Olivet discourse (Mt. 24, Mk. 13, Lk. 22). Also parts of Luke 17, of 1 and 2 Thessalonians, 1 Corinthians 15 and many other prophecies including Genesis 3:15, Isaiah 13, 34, 66, Ezekiel 38-39 and Zechariah and others. It is like the other half of end-times prophecies, the last piece given making it possible to know more, but you need both halves. Reading carefully you will see callbacks to these OT prophecies in certain places, and noticing that and going to those places will give you more information to consider.

>Is Revelations chronological?

Almost, except that in Revelation 12 we move back to the birth of Christ, so you get much overlap between the timelines of 4-11 and 12-22.

>Does Revelations 13 happen after 12?

Yes

>>596945

>Because it is something that once was. a image of a person or beast, yet is not, because of being light particles, and yet is, because of appearing as light.

It's pretty clear that "was, and is not" is referring to the fact that the beast was alive and then died. After it resurrects, they will wonder at the beast because it just rose from the dead.

<Rev. 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

Recall Revelation 13:3 and 12

<And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.