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d071b2 No.596152

What are some of the problems that you personally have with certain denominations or sects of Christianity? Here are some of my gripes:

> Orthodoxy

< Too obsessed with church traditions and the traditions of previous christians, even if they are the practices of the some of the oldest believers. This love for tradition reminds me of modern jews and their conversion from Torahism to Talmudism, and rabbinical 'tradition' judaism.

< Refusal to adapt its approach to new information/discoveries regarding God or science (to an extent). This is off-putting to many non-christians.

> Catholicism

< Like Orthodoxy, Catholicism is also obsessed with church tradition to the point of steering away from what seems to be one of the components of Christ's teachings. Catholicism is the largest organized religion in the world, and it is guilty of exorcising its enormous power the way a state or kingdom would. Jesus came to this world and stood up to the Pharisees, who preferred their religious authority over the true Word of God.

> Protestantism

< Even though I accused Orthodoxy and Catholicism of being too obsessed with religious tradition, Protestantism is guilty of being way too radical on the other end of the spectrum. Protestantism isn't even a single denomination. It has no religious leaders, no single Church or doctrine binding them together whatsoever. There are 33,000+ denominations of protestantism and they are all in disagreement with one another. They are also guilty of a lack of reverence. They hold very little respect for the presence of God, as shown by their mediocre architecture, crackers & juice packets for Eucharist, and disrespectful handling of holy items including the Bible. They are also obsessed with scripture without studying it enough, so everyone has their own conclusion of what is going on.

< Take for instance Steven Anderson, who is extremely conservative to the point of defying the entire heart of Jesus's teachings: Love. He is staunch in his interpretations of Scriptural teachings and refuses to respect 2,000 years of studying by priests and monks.

So those are some of my issues with each denomination, and why I seem to float between each one at times.

2dc812 No.596157

File: f40055d309b91c0⋯.png (66.63 KB, 630x458, 315:229, BLACKED.png)

i take serious issue with pic related


d071b2 No.596161

>>596157

Which denom are you? I'm having trouble deciding on one. I lean the most towards orthodoxy, but at certain times protestantism seems closer to the humble spirit of Jesus.


21ac22 No.596165

>>596152

>Conservatism is bad

I think reddit is more of your liking

>>596157

why?


003265 No.596167

>>596157

If they converted to Catholicism afterwards then he did a good thing. Otherwise it's pretty memey and plays into a media spectacle.

Anyone know if any of them converted? iirc some were already Christian


003265 No.596170

>>596152

I don't think you realize that Ortho traditions aren't really rigid and legalistic. Correct me if I'm wrong but they don't have that calculating mindset when it comes to their traditions and sacraments.


ddbb4d No.596183

File: ab8abbc06d3ef34⋯.png (216.41 KB, 450x600, 3:4, ab8abbc06d3ef345701f663da8….png)

>>596152

>There are 33,000+ denominations of protestantism

this meme again..

somebody take out the trash


9ab2c1 No.596185

>>596165

>why?

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think the people whose feet he's washing aren't even Christians, whereas Christ washed the apostles feet. He just comes across like a submissive bitch bending over for rapefugees.


9ab2c1 No.596188

Orthodox

>don't seem to try to spread their faith. happy to stay focused inwards in their little insular ethnic enclaves. also have a larping problem where nominally christian people get drawn in by the smells and bells and wizard robes and without worrying about the substance of their faith.

Catholic

>also doesn't seem to evangelize much, and also has LARPers but with them they are more /pol/ deus vult types who become catholic because they want to kill muslims. any official document or statement the church puts out seems ambiguous as hell. this seems to be intentional so they can appeal to progressives while not making traditionalists leave in droves.

Baptist

>the ones who are completely against any use of alcohol are offbase. pastor anderson's reprobate thing is wrong and i find it revolting that a christian would tell anyone to commit suicide or say they cannot be saved if they repent. he also seems to start feuds with other minstries, even ones he mostly agrees with, just so he can make youtube revenue from the e-drama.


91ded2 No.596194

>Protestantism is guilty of being way too radical

It started out as a state church and made up of "reformers", so it really wasn't.

>disrespectful handling of holy items including the Bible.

They're interpreting it through the lens of the aforementioned reformers, so yes I agree with your points generally. They are all examples along with the various cathodox, of how you get so many different attempts at a state church that can't even agree. Whereas in the Bible, church means assembly.

>Take for instance Steven Anderson,

He isn't really a protestant, but I get your point before. Nobody is immune from being fallible, no matter what. There are no exceptions to that. We each have to rely on the Holy Spirit to guide us and know the Scripture, in addition to church responsibilities, which include exhorting and instructing one another in love while respecting the roles of church leadership. I'll probably be back later to write some of my own thoughts in this thread, Lord willing.


0bbac5 No.596195

>>596188

With respect, the Church does a tremendous amount of evangelical work, most of which is in South America, Africa and Asia. I do agree though that a serious re-emphasis has to be placed evangelising or at the very least shoring up the faithful in the "Home turf" though.

I can't say I have gripes with other denominations as such (I don't know too much of their inner working besides the obvious ones mentioned ITT and elsehwere) but for ourselves:

<Too many priests don't seem to toe the doctrinal line or try to "buddy up" with their parishes instead of acting as pastors and carers (i.e. authorities) to the flock.

<Obsession with Vatican II, to the point that it seems in many minds that the Church didn't exist before 1962.

<Ecumenism

<passivity in the laity


7b78b4 No.596197

File: 849f44e82faad96⋯.jpg (3.82 KB, 188x212, 47:53, >tfw.jpg)

>>596152

We've gone beyond Reddit spacing here.


24bb82 No.596199

File: 1d4a991d6a26c5f⋯.jpg (1.13 MB, 1280x1913, 1280:1913, 1280px-Ricci_Guangqi_2.jpg)

>>596152

You have to remember that there is difference between Tradition in the narrow sense and various human traditions.

"Tradition", capitalised, refers to a specific set of truths revealed by God in the Apostolic times and passed down since that time. Some of the revelation ended up being written down as books of the Bible, but there is no reason to believe all was, and indeed some of it wasn't put in the Bible by the Apostles; rather, it was left by them for the Church to preach.

Traditions generally refer to things inherited by one generation from previous ones. They are usually created by fallible men, and as such can't be treated as revealed truths; they may be ancient, but that doesn't make their observance a morally binding law.

Obviously, that doesn't of itself mean you should abandon them - if a human tradition has been in the Church for a long time, chances are it's not a coimcidence; rather, its survival often stems from the fact that it really is a very useful and efficient means, and there is no point in abandoning in favour of other, less efficient ones. Basically, you have to remember that human traditions are fallible and valuable only as time-tested means; they are not God-revealed dogma.


d071b2 No.596205

>>596194

thank you for being reasonable. one thing I like about Baptism is that it truly does seem like the attitude of Christ. They seek new followers, they evangelize, they want to save. I may not agree with 'once saved, always saved', however I like the Baptist's attitudes a lot. They may not have glorious cathedrals, but at least they aren't above spreading the Gospel no matter where they go. You guys will worship in a hut or a palace, it makes no difference. You also don't run around in wizard robes with bells and incense, which is all just atmospheric stuff to feel mystic.

You Baptists spread the word to everyone and anyone, you don't sit around whining about equality and globalism like the Popes do, with their 'dont evangelize, just get along with everyone hurr'. I like Anderson's commitment, but he really needs to focus more on New Testament instead of screaming about sodomites and quoting the OT culture endlessly. If Anderson loved more than he hated, he'd be a very good Christian.


d071b2 No.596207

File: 73b78d0e960f4b6⋯.png (878.83 KB, 1024x640, 8:5, Screen Shot 2018-01-29 at ….png)

>>596188

I agree. Anderson needs to focus more on Love than Hatred. He can be harsh while still loving people and caring for their well-being, but instead he screams about sodom and gomorrah all day while ignoring Jesus's tolerance and willingness to save everybody, not just the already righteous.

Orthodox are way too inclusive in their ethnic groups, I agree. They're all about 'muh mystic' 'muh culture' without as much substance past all the wizardy that I'd like.

I know I just said Anderson and others need to be more tolerant, but Catholics take it to the 11th degree on the other end of the spectrum. Instead of being tolerant of others' mistakes and trying to save them regardless, the Catholic church is perfectly fine if everyone is an atheist or muslim, so long as 'we all coexist properly (:" what garbage.

So which do I pick, guys? Keep in mind I'm Lebanese, so protestantism is small here. Orthodox and Catholic are huge in Lebanon, but that doesn't matter. Should I be a prot/baptist because I want to live like Jesus did, to be humble and protect those that need it? To save everyone I can and oppose tyrannical organizations, including religious leaders with too much power.

Or do I choose Orthodox to revere holy items and have more respect and beauty before God? Do I want heart, without excellence, or excellency without heart?


d071b2 No.596208

>>596185

there's nothing wrong with being a refugee. if you're obsessed with race, go back to pol. Christ is Love. We must love one another, even if it means caring enough to be harsh when they make mistakes. Refugees should be helped, not hated. That doesn't mean they should all invade Europe en-masse, no, but to have hatred towards them for their race or mistakes isn't Christ's way either.


2dc812 No.596212

>>596207

>Should I be a prot/baptist because I want to live like Jesus did, to be humble and protect those that need it

>Or do I choose Orthodox to revere holy items and have more respect and beauty before God

Now that is the question; which do you care more about, Christ, or idols?


6640f6 No.596213

>>596188

I kind of have that problem with cathodox. Protestantism feels like an hour long class you go to on Sunday to do a Bible study where some guy reads a bit of the Bible and gives you his interpretation of it. Then you go home and your religion is something you do alone for the most part. Sometimes I feel doubt about being interested in cathodox and question if I really believe in their teachings or I'm just attracted to the icons and the attire and ritual. But is that really such a bad thing? People need to believe in Christ, but am I wrong to think religion shouldn't be so dry, take place in a plain building with a drop roof and use grape juice and a tiny cracker in place of the eucharist?

I don't personally think it's wrong that people get attracted to tradition and the beauty of it all.


a1d6e2 No.596217

>>596152

>new information/discoveries regarding God

Like what?


bd0b12 No.596231

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>596152

>Steven Anderson is the pinnacle of protestantism


d071b2 No.596234

>>596212

Jesus Christ, obviously. And I think my faith in Him should be between Him and I, and my future family with my fiancee, rather than some giant group of people I don't know LARPing with all of their mysticism and tradition.

but there are hardly any prot groups in the middle east…I can start one.


8c678a No.596257

I don't know enough about Orthodox to really say anything, and 90% of ortho posters here are members.

>Catholics

<I have met just one single Catholic in my life who was actually a serious Christian and not just self identifying as a Catholic because of family, and he's gone Protestant now.

<there's a claim to succession of the apostles, and the position of Peter by the Pope. However, the church has been corrupted and has worked against the interests of Christianity many times throughout its history. Right now, it's got a softy Pope who'd rather get good PR then say what needs to be said

<there's some traditions that are just plain weird. The eucharist, for example. I can't for the life of me understand what the official doctrine is, because there seems to be a lot of convoluted language.

<Catholic clergy seems to lean heavily on state sponsored "charity" as a means to help people - this ignores both the necessity for coersive action and the anti Christ secularism of the western state.

>Protestantism

<there's significant heresies that are mainstream in some sects that are not being called out openly enough by the orthodox protestants - prosperity gospel and zionist ídolo idolatry for one

<it seems like many leaders within the evangelical community have it out for the RCC, strawmaning a lot against them


3510e0 No.596259

>>596207

>to live like Jesus did, to be humble and protect those that need it?

Are you implying that that's not what the saints and the monks did?

>>596234

What make you think that mysticism and tradition are just "LARPing"? What makes you think that you don't need a community and a church to know the true faith?


1cd208 No.596260

Us: Dioceses spread too thin - focus on a few priorities, make them clear, and execute.


91ded2 No.596293

>problems that you personally have

So I won't dwell too much on wrong beliefs in general, as far as worldview so much as the attitudes of the actual people that we seem to have problems with.

>Trad RCC, EC, & other "Latin"-oriented groups I missed

Entirely focused on benefitting yourself and gaining for yourself salvation, at the expense of other considerations for others. Unable to understand why anyone wouldn't be an antinomian without this. Very accusatory of others based on false premises of being correct. Seemingly dependent on the reasonings of particular theologians, they don't realize that the choice of which generally-approved theologians to emphasize is left to decide by each person. And turning a blind eye to the vast amount of possible interpretations that results from this way of thinking, is paired with a "flexible" definition of what doctrinal unity is, sometimes exclusionary, other times incredibly superficial and relaxed, depending on the situation. Can't really agree what is binding and what isn't.

>EO & other Orthos

Similar situation with their set of theologians. However, this category doesn't seem to insist on that many strange doctrines, not overtly: this might have something to do with scholasticism. The minor branches have even more troubling Christology than the main branches of modern cathodox do, they're just not as obvious. They seem more interested in doing their own thing. Also have difficulties in agreeing internally what is binding and on what the final authority ought to be.

>mainstream RCC

Uses a potent brew of strange doctrines derived mainly from the "authorities" that have catered heavily to liberalism since the 1960's, and looking down from the highest pedestal at anyone who don't conform to the new morality. Not much different from mainstream protestants so far as being rigidly adherent to progressive nu-morality. Attempts to use the authority of fellow-traveler corrupt teachers as to "cover their bases," and being overly concerned with appearance and raw power. Very likely to be a protoplasm for the one world Religion. I could see it happening.

>Anglican and Episcopalian

Radically liberal, a physical continuance of whatever it was before the 1960's.

>Sedes

Basically, those who are too inflexible for modern RCC and became confused by Vatican II.

>No-labels churches (called "non-denominational" despite often being organized as one)

The remnants whatever notions of Christianity remain in a given area, post-1960's. Most of these churches are doctrinally adrift, and while they can be very conservative in the stereotypical boomer kind of way, are very likely to be subverted by talmudic judaizing influences at some level and to be slowly pulled into that dark void.

>Mainline protestants

By virtue of being known as mainline, these denominations are subverted from the very top, experiencing a continual effect of satanic "liberal" doctrine trickling down from the highest councils to the subservient churches in its grasp. Eventually this is how any large denomination will end up given enough time. The same can be said for all the "United" variants. Insufferably progressive and violently opposed to anyone that disagrees.

>Conservative protestants

These are the ones that are trying not to become the above. The biggest issue is that they seem to inherently follow the philosophy of the Biblical ((scholars)) when it comes to choosing a translation of the critical text and from this results in the average person who has studied all these things to treat it less seriously than it should be treated, because it could all be based on incomplete manuscripts. They have carried over some ideas from pre-reformation Catholicism that are hard to justify as anything other than tradition, including the confusion of somehow combining "the church" as they see it with government, a concept shared with all prots and which will be significant in the future. Bonus: The most likely to think Rabbis are expert at interpreting the Bible.

>Megachurches

Fun centers that have done a lot of work to blur the lines of what a church is. Not actually counted as a church, just worth mentioning as a separate case.

>Cults

These are not to be confused with any of the other categories here. Any of the pseudo-Christian groups that started appearing in the 1830's that plagiarize concepts from Scripture with little regard for anything but gaining and holding on to adherents. The leaders are interested in keeping their members in the dark and modifying scripture. The largest are the Mormons; there are others.


91ded2 No.596294

>Southern Baptist Convention and others

More denominations that began to exist starting in 1844. They are going down a similar path as the cathodox-protestant group, as far as becoming one vertical association that gradually goes downhill at some point when the top gets infiltrated and can't recover. The SBC recently switched to a gender-neutral Bible.

>Reformed Baptist

This seems to mean a Reformed church that is not pedo-baptist. These people still have the other similarities of being heavily influenced by Calvinist doctrine.

>Independent Baptist

There can be a number of different things to mention in this category. The main one is still the fact that, even if they use the KJB, they may be relying on doctrines from the Scofield Reference Bible which are highly Judaic and subversive. But this can often be defended against using the KJB. I won't get into a list of my issues with other particularities, but it's easy enough to just discredit any church that voluntarily strays from Christianity as clearly outside of the sphere of your own church and we don't have to deal with them. God will be the judge of all things.


739365 No.596315

>>596157

>>596185

These were apparently Nigerian Catholics and Coptic refugees for the most part, there was like two Muslims and a Hindu among them though. Something something unity among different backgrounds with this act of peace in bathing feet. Weird PR move but I don’t think it does much harm given context.


657b96 No.596321

>>596208

>there's nothing wrong with being a refugee. if you're obsessed with race, go back to pol. Christ is Love. We must love one another, even if it means caring enough to be harsh when they make mistakes. Refugees should be helped, not hated. That doesn't mean they should all invade Europe en-masse, no, but to have hatred towards them for their race or mistakes isn't Christ's way either.

I never said anything about race. I don't think the pope should be washing non-Christians feet, regardless of what race they are. You might take it as a personal slight when people complain about refugees since you're Lebanese but it's not meant that way, it's not about what race the people are. We've had horrific rapes occurring at the hands of refugees. Genuine refugees should be helped, but how many of these people are legitimate refugees, how many of these largely fighting age males abandoned their wives and children to ISIS so they could try to get handouts from European welfare states and chase after Western women?


de0d5c No.596333

>>596152

I'm confused with your stance. You say that there is nothing wrong with being a refugee, and then you condemn the refugees for invading Europe. By the way, most people don't have any problems with refugees, they have problems with """"refugees"""", aka economic migrants looking to leech off the dime of hard working Europeans.


292292 No.596360

>>596161

>orthodox flag

>I'm having trouble picking a denom and lean towards orthodoxy and protestantism

The Ortholarp meme is real


292292 No.596361

>>596167

Isn't that the washing of the feet ceremony which comes before confirmation? Maybe Pope Francis ran out of water


292292 No.596369

>>596260

This post is so Anglican. You fall under protestantism category anyway


657b96 No.596372

File: 32be710b76977f5⋯.jpg (145.68 KB, 543x831, 181:277, Anglicans.jpg)

>>596369

*apostolicism ftfy


ede423 No.596394

>Refusal to adapt its approach to new information/discoveries regarding God or science (to an extent). This is off-putting to many non-christians.

Funny, this is actually part of why I, as a non-Christian, was attracted to Orthodoxy in the first place and I don't think I'm alone as all denominations that have chosen to try and make compromise with the spirit of the times are dying en masse.


292292 No.596400

>>596372

You get them whether you want them or not. Article xxv of the Anglican church denies the sacrament of ordination thus they have no orders, no apostolic succession and can't be called apostolic


7fff70 No.596403

>>596152

>Catholics:Sexually guilty

>Protestants:Ugly aesthetics

>Orthodox Not famous enough


1d397a No.596434

>>596294

>the SBC recently switched to a gender-neutral Bible.

Gross!

>(LifeWay has continued to sell the NIV despite the resolution to remove it; the translation remains the most popular among Southern Baptists with a 40 percent share.)

>NIV

No wonder they're blown about with every wind of doctrine.


d88e8b No.596443

File: fc4fe54c8f8d12c⋯.png (522.88 KB, 703x484, 703:484, 47BD3F74-EBA5-4E1C-846E-B9….png)

>Doesn't me tion anythi g wrong with Baptists


91ded2 No.596536

>>596434

https://archive.is/zGe4V

If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do?


aa7bb0 No.597083

https://www.scoan.org/

What do you think of this? Is this a denomination? It's Christian but it doesn't seem to be Catholic or Orthodox. At least, not explicitly.


f7cb2e No.597094

File: 5446cf9dd50b74f⋯.jpg (1.1 MB, 640x601, 640:601, 4a6c1d5809e22869719aa101e2….jpg)

File: 08fdbb6e2d080c5⋯.jpg (273.97 KB, 1200x800, 3:2, 1200px-Uppsala_domkyrka_i_….jpg)

File: 0d4a1e9fc46cc13⋯.jpg (419.01 KB, 1024x689, 1024:689, 9954747506_36fde648d8_b.jpg)

File: b5e340647eeeb5c⋯.jpg (85.63 KB, 800x555, 160:111, showFoto.jpg)

File: 04296a79761b7a7⋯.jpg (612.56 KB, 1160x773, 1160:773, smaland-kalmar-1800-1200-1….jpg)

>>596403

>>Protestants:Ugly aesthetics

You've obviously never been to Sweden.


f7cb2e No.597098

File: 6572456ef2fea65⋯.jpg (320.88 KB, 1200x931, 1200:931, 1200px-Jakobskyrkan_2007-0….jpg)

File: bd6ca094be98b30⋯.jpg (254.7 KB, 979x637, 979:637, 1477058_hedvig-eleonora-ky….jpg)

File: a7f2377b1ff9798⋯.jpg (2.62 MB, 3751x2550, 3751:2550, Tyska_kyrkan_Göteborg_sept….jpg)

File: da988722d2018e3⋯.jpg (98.87 KB, 960x960, 1:1, 11253734_1189309034419350_….jpg)

>>597094

>tfw Swedish


af9186 No.597224

>complains about the claim protts have poor aesthetics

>posts pictures of churches built by Catholics to disprove it

ok


f7cb2e No.597250

>>597224

The churches I posted were all built or reconstructed after the reformation, noob.


25e3de No.597336

>>596152

>Like Orthodoxy, Catholicism is also obsessed with church tradition to the point of steering away from what seems to be one of the components of Christ's teachings.

If anything, the Catholic Church isn't traditional enough. There's a lot of lack of respect for tradition going around, and it's reflected in the NO mass. They've protestantized themselves so much in an effort to draw in a younger crowd that the entire reason people become Catholic is lost. People come to the Catholic Church for the tradition and the reverence and holiness of the mass. If you strip those things away, what you're left with is basically just Protestantism with a Pope. Even the intellectual and spiritual traditions of the church outside the mass are lost on most laypersons nowadays. Much more of this and there won't be much difference between your local Catholic church and the First, Second, and Third Baptist Churches on every street corner. It's honestly sad and little disgusting.


a124e8 No.597344

>>597336

If you're going to act like a reprobate then of course it's going to be exactly like any other church.


05268e No.597348

>>597336

A thousand times this. The Catholic Church my brother and his family go to is literally just a Protestant church service with a few moments of kneeling here and there.


e06638 No.597352

File: a1c19f5ae7b5dc0⋯.mp4 (13.91 MB, 1280x720, 16:9, Steven Anderson.mp4)

>>596443

He has a huge superiority complex and actually thinks he has the authority to interpret Scripture in any ways he wants, that's why you've got so much weird stuff coming from him. He also calls himself a prophet.

Honestly, people give him too much attention. He's just like Westboro Baptist Church, where they throw anger tantrums and scream about homosexuals and people watch them. Except, most people are just laughing at people like Anderson.

tl;dr: he's a crazy guy who isn't worth your attention, I suggest tuning in to people like

(1) Bishop Barron (https://www.youtube.com/user/wordonfirevideo/videos)

(2) Father Ripperger (https://www.youtube.com/user/onearmsteve4192/videos)

(3) Father Schmitz (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVdGX3N-WIJ5nUvklBTNhAw/videos)


17c940 No.597486

File: 50caa3e089eacec⋯.png (27.44 KB, 645x730, 129:146, retarded wojak.png)

>>597352

>repentance is works


1d397a No.597491

>>597486

"repenting of all your sins" is works.


17c940 No.597497

>>597491

"Works" is merits. Repentance isnt performing merits, but simply turning away from sin and asking for God's forgiveness.

You cant be saved by your merits, but, without repentance, there can be no salvation. Read Romans again, especially chapters 4-6


1d397a No.597500

>>597497

>simply turning away from sin

Not so simple my brother. Romans explains that being justified by grace and faith, we're adopted as sons and then begin the lifelong war against our own flesh, against our own sins.


17c940 No.597506

>>597500

The struggle against the flesh is indeed difficult, however, "repentance" is the change in mind and soul that comes from God's grace. It's as far from a "work" as you can get.


17c940 No.597508

>>597506

Repentence is the "turn" away from sin. The hard part is the long walk that follows


1d397a No.597511

File: b8a985b56415466⋯.png (85.79 KB, 1570x639, 1570:639, saved.png)

>>597506

My quarrel is with the person who would see "repentance" in the Bible, and impose the words "of your sins". It's just a "turn" or a change of mind (Genesis 6:6-7, Exodus 32:14, Deuteronomy 32:36, etc).

>The hard part is the long walk that follows

amen, which is why we're commanded to mortify the deeds of the flesh daily. But if the lowly anon in the nofap thread fails his quest, he's covered by grace.


788f28 No.597580

>>597511

You know there is a school of thought in Catholic theology that states it's improbable or impossible for a human to mortally sin because mortally sinning requires full knowledge and consent which they argue humans don't have and only beings like angels have, thus humans never or rarely lose their state of grace. I don't agree with this school but it has its merits in argument, and seems along similar lines to protestant theology OSAS.


029afa No.597589

Orthodoxy: Not denomination itself, but people here tend to believe in random memes, from "don't judge and you'll directly go to heaven" to (((t*llhouses))), based on suspicious stories that are oddly similar to rabbinical Judaism and various Agadot (And regarding (((t*llhouses))), Gnosticism, that itself absorbed large portions of Egyptian paganism). People regarding some authors, such as Seraphim Rose (that isnt really a pinnacle of orthodoxy to say the least) as Talmud regards rabbis. But its more about general ignorance of laity here due to degenerate era of communism, rather than denomination itself.

Though Denomination wide, I have two problem regarding architecture: I prefer Majestic Gothic style of western cathedrals. I would say about evangelization too, but Orthodoxy doesnt have as much resources as Vatican for example, so we are doing what we can in general, I think.

Catholicism: Same complaints about believing in memes as previously stated, but in more organized form. Too legalistic. Merits as transdimensional currency. Using statues in services. Weird angelology (then again, some here have it worse). Too much attention to Tradition.

>Protestantism

"clap your hands if you believe" attitude. No organization that would balance interpretations of the scripture leading to bizzare heresies and denominations. Some of the being too materialistic.


4bf296 No.597641

>>596183

>That pic


038fdd No.597692

>>596152

Do you realize that church traditions is what keeps stability? If it isn't broke, don't fix it. See the Vatican II Council and you'll see why traditions need to stay

Other than that you're entirely right about the last part regarding Catholicism, however, the modern era has done a good job of fixing this, the recent Popes have not (Though, Benedict XVI and John Paul II have tried)


3fcf63 No.597736

>>596152

> Too obsessed with church traditions and the traditions of previous christians, even if they are the practices of the some of the oldest believers. This love for tradition reminds me of modern jews and their conversion from Torahism to Talmudism, and rabbinical 'tradition' judaism.

> Refusal to adapt its approach to new information/discoveries regarding God or science (to an extent). This is off-putting to many non-christians.

Those are retarded criticisms the church is the body of god eternal and indivisible guided by the holy spirit the sacred rites of the first Christians cannot be different from those 2000 years later the logical conclusion of cucking to modernity is found with goofy protestant sects and modern catholics


3fcf63 No.597738

>>597736

body of Christ*




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