fa263b No.594333
>He thinks his filthy rags are going to get him into Heaven.
18edc5 No.594336
need more context mr. mobile poster
a45f9e No.594339
>>594336
It's the Protestant "our works are like filthy rags to God" argument.
fa263b No.594340
>>594336
>>594339
FILTHY RAGS
Isaiah 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.
18edc5 No.594341
>>594339
>our works are like filthy rags to God
i just looked this up. you mean pretending to be good by doing things?
7a95da No.594343
>>594333
Matthew 25:31-46
“Then they also will answer Him,[b] saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?’ 45 Then He will answer them, saying, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’ 46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
YOUR DEEDS WILL GET YOU TO HELL OR HEAVEN
fa263b No.594361
>>594343
>Hey God, here's my FILTHY RAG
That's orobably because he's talking to them in general and almost wveryone saved does works. And no you don't need you FILTHY RAGS to get you saved
Ephesians 2
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Romans 4:5
But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Matthew 7
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
John 6
28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
9859b2 No.594370
>>594361
>Gods' commands are filthy rags
liar.
Matthew 25:31-46 read it and weep you heathen apostate
9859b2 No.594372
>>594361
>29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
This means you obey him and conform to his teachings, which revolve around doing and repenting
c727b2 No.594375
>>594333
Ah the never ending arguments:
Mac vs PC
Cut vs Uncut
Marvel vs DC
Kirk vs Picard
Faith Alone vs Faith+Works
5e3d99 No.594382
>cut vs uncut
There is no debate.
fa263b No.594391
>>594370
No, your righteousness is a FILTHY RAG
>>594372
>Believe doesn't mean believe, believe means get filthy rags
8bf449 No.594404
5ba686 No.594407
>>594333
Righteousnesses. That is, the works by which we pretended to make ourselves righteous. This is spoken particularly of the sacrifices, sacraments, and ceremonies of the Jews, after the death of Christ, and the promulgation of the new law.
The justice which is under the law is stated uncleanness, when compared with evangelical purity, Philippians iii. 8. — "If any one after the gospel….would observe the ceremonies of the law, let him hear the people confessing that all that justice is compared to a most filthy rag." (St. Jerome)
The good works which are done by grace, and not by man alone, cannot be said to be of this description. They constitute the internal glory of man, and God will one day crown these his gifts. Of ourselves indeed we can do nothing, and the works of the Mosaic law will not avail, as St. Paul inculcates; but those works, point out the saint, which are preformed by charity with faith in Christ. This justice is not imputed only, but real; and shews where true faith exists, according to St. James. Thus the apostles explain each other.
Filthy Rags that is rag of a menstruous woman. Septuagint, "of one sitting down;" like Rachel, Genesis xxxi. 35. Symmachus, "lying-in." Aquila, "of proofs." Grotius, "like a plaster on a sore, which is thrown away." Such were Alcimus, &c. To practise the Jewish rites would now be sinful
No go and sin no more you pelegian shill.
e3d551 No.594412
>>594407
>you pelegian shill.
do you rag on people for fun? didn't even see anything related to pelagianism in op
fa263b No.594429
>>594407
Well don't ha e to do any works of righteousness
Titus 3:5
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
>Filthy Rags that is rag of a menstruous woman.
So you're giving God a rag of period blood? That's even more gross.
48edbb No.594431
Jesus: Give everything away, and follow me
Baptist: lol no!
fa263b No.594449
>>594431
>he thinks we believe you aren't rewarded for works
Saved by faith, rewarded by works.
26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
48edbb No.594452
>>594449
Jesus: Give everything away, and follow me
Baptist: acktually, this here says all I need to do is have faith, i don't need to give everything away
778a8f No.594455
>>594333
>repenting of your sins is filthy rags
Really brings one to ponder….
a74cb2 No.594460
>>594431
>>594452
>Jesus: Give everything away, and follow me
do you think this command was to everyone, or just the rich man he was talking to?
if you believe it was to everyone, what sort of machine are you posting from?
29dde3 No.594461
>>594452
Because that rich man was in the exact same sin as you are. "I've kept the whole law!" Jesus showed him that his righteousness was as filthy rags.
By the way, how are you posting on this website if you've followed Jesus' command to give everything away?
29dde3 No.594463
>>594460
>>594461
Some call it a hivemind… I call it…
THE HOLY SPIRIT
5ba686 No.594482
>>594412
OSAS is pelagianism with works and faith switched. Both heretical as fuck.
>>594429
>Well don't ha e to do any works of righteousness
Yes we are not Jews. Because that what "works of righteousness" is. Jewish ceremonies, sacrifices and rites such like circumcision or Pasacha or Sabbath.
>So you're giving God a rag of period blood? That's even more gross.
I am not Jew, Pelegius.
Titus 3:8 It is a faithful saying: and these things I will have thee affirm constantly: that they, who believe in God, may be careful to excel in good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.
7530aa No.594483
>>594339
>It's the Protestant "our works are like filthy rags to God" argument.
TIL direct quotes from the Bible are 'protestant arguments'.
6240b8 No.594484
reminder that true justice does not care about what good you do
if you do a single thing wrong you will be punished, works will not justify
5ba686 No.594485
>594483
Directing quotes from scriptures result only in one conclusion: Jewish Rites are imperfect and after coming of Christ sinful.
10 The city of thy sanctuary is become a desert, Sion is made a desert, Jerusalem is desolate.
11 The house of our holiness, and of our glory, where our fathers praised thee, is burnt with fire, and all our lovely things are turned into ruins.
5ba686 No.594488
>>594484
Reminder that: We must all be manifested before the judgement seat of Christ, that every one may receive the proper things of the body, according as he hath done, whether it be good or evil.
24f267 No.594491
>>594361
Notice it says “saved by grace”. It does not say “saved by faith”. And most certainly does not say “saved by faith alone”. Read James, particularly chapter 2, and see that there is no such thing as faith without works. The entire debate of faith vs works is for loons.
29dde3 No.594495
>>594491
>saved by grace”. It does not say “saved by faith
Saved by grace through faith. That's the quote.
>No such thing as faith without works.
Wrong, it says faith without works is dead, not that it doesn't exist. Something dead still exists, but it's the opposite of quick. It can't bear fruit.
24f267 No.594507
>>594495
St James says dead faith can't save you. See verse 14 in chapter 2
>Saved by grace through faith, that's the quote.
I know. I responded to a post that quoted it already. Contemplate what “through faith” means here.
God bless you anon
3ceac2 No.594510
>>594491
>The entire debate of faith vs works is for loons.
Nobody is denying that every Christian should do works. The question, I think, is whether those works merit anything on their own (or can even save you), or whether they just act as proof that you are in Christ and should be done because He asks for them.
24f267 No.594513
>>594510
Works can't save you and neither can faith. Only God can save you by His grace, and even this passage from Ephesians shows that we can only have faith by the grace of God.
Our righteousness is as filthy rags. That includes our faith. For if we should interpret that passage as saying our faith saves us, then we must think we save ourselves by having faith. And that kind of righteousness is as filthy rags. But in truth, our beloved Master says, “If you love me, then you will heed my commandments”.
fa263b No.594514
>>594452
You don't need to get saved
fa263b No.594515
>>594482
It doesn't call the jew religious rukes works if righteousness in the NT, and if anything it would be opposite because that's done awaywith
29dde3 No.594516
>>594507
>>594513
The classic argument that accepting a gift is a work. The work that saved us was Jesus' life, death, resurrection. He payed the entire price.
So just like Abraham and David (who did mighty works before the Lord, but were saved before they did any of them, Romans 4) we are saved by putting our trust wholly in Jesus' sacrifice.
Genesis 15:6 And he believed in the Lord; and he counted it to him for righteousness.
Faith is invisible, therefore I'm justified before you and everyone else by doing the works that God intended I do. Ephesians 2:10 says that we're created in Christ Jesus unto good works. The purpose of a Christian is to do works. But you don't have to do works to become a Christian.
fa263b No.594517
>>594488
Yeah again, your rewards in Heaven or punishment in hell depends on your works. Where you go is dependent on your faith.
4acd27 No.594522
Faith vs works is a false dialectic. Faith isn't just an abstract concept but something that has to be manifested in some way. If one has faith then they will act in accordance with it, that is they will do works. Faith entails works or rather faith is completed by works and therefore works are a necessary but not sufficient condition for salvation. We are saved by faith but we are also in some sense saved by works because it is complementary. Faith without works is pure abstraction and anyone who feels the need to make this distinction where there is none is of the letter and not the Spirit.
5ba686 No.594525
>>594515
Could you rephrase it for I have no idea what are you trying to talk about.
>>594517
Where you go depends on number of things. Faith is first among them and utmost necessary but it is not only thing. You need repentance (Luke 13:3), good works (Matthew 5:20), baptsm and other sacraments (John 3:5) etc etc
>>594522
> If one has faith then they will act in accordance with it
Not according to Paul (Galatians), James and Christ (Judgment discourse)
4acd27 No.594533
>>594525
>Not according to Paul (Galatians), James and Christ (Judgment discourse)
How so? This is the meaning of faith without works is dead. Faith without works has no substance, it isn't real.
29dde3 No.594537
>>594533
> Faith without works has no substance, it isn't real.
If James had wanted to say that faith without works didn't exist he would have. Instead he used the word dead. dead things are still real.
eec48b No.594543
>>594537
James defines what he means by dead
<as the body apart from the spirit is dead
If you die, someone might call your corpse by your name. But it won't really be you, you'll be in the next world. Thus, faith without works being dead means that it holds the name of faith without the substance, it isn't really faith.
cd0ec4 No.594548
>>594370
It's not the commands of God that are filthy rags. It's the fact that you don't follow any of them
>For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
fa263b No.594565
>>594525
>Matthew 5:20
Really nigga? You use that and not James 2? Scribes and Pharisees have ZERO righteousness, they don't even believe in Christ
>Luke 13:3
He's talking about physically dying, NOT damnation. Get the context "whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices. whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them,"
Luke 3:5
That's being born physically which is why in the next verse he says "That which is born of the flesh is flesh; " And that would contradict verses 15/16/18/36 of the same chapter.
fa263b No.594566
>>594565
>Luke 3:5
Meant John 3:5
7ddd26 No.594613
>>594507
>See verse 14 in chapter 2
See the next two verses. This is talking about profitting others, not yourself. If you do no works (by the grace of God) then you won't be able to save or profit anyone because, to another man, dead faith is indistinguishable from a false professor.
>>594522
>and anyone who feels the need to make this distinction where there is none is of the letter and not the Spirit.
You mean like Paul in Romans 4:5 or Romans 11:6?
Romans 11:6
And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
fa263b No.594621
>>594507
>St James says dead faith can't save you.
No he didn't, stop assuming an answer, Ephesians 2:8-9 is a statement. Also what ithed anon said.
fa263b No.594622
>>594543
>But it won't really be you,
Yes it is. At the rapture do I get my body or some random guy?
eec48b No.594648
>>594622
Do you think your death is the rapture?
778a8f No.594649
James 2:24: 'You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.'
Really makes you think….
9859b2 No.594653
>>594391
>I believe without obeying
>belief just means mental assent
>belief in the loosest sense, like how I belief oranges are better than apples
then you dont believe in Christ, convert to christianity before you lecture us on your bible misreadings
9859b2 No.594654
>>594548
>>For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
of course that's why you need to repent immediately and conform to the law, that's not a license to sin or to act as if obediance is futile
wow
so sad
who taught you guys Christianity?
a meme pastor on jewtube?? makes sense
9859b2 No.594656
The ax lies ready at the root of the trees, and ===every tree that does not produce good fruit== will be cut down and thrown into the fire.
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that ==doeth== the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and ==doeth them==, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
You gotta LIVE IT. You gotta DO IT.
Otherwise you are like the jews who thought they were special because their father was abraham, so too you think you are in a lofty position just because you collected some ==beliefs== about Christ…? What? LOL without obediance to his law and doing good fruit you will be cut off form him and cast into the fire.
And do not presume to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ For I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham.
eec48b No.594665
>>594656
Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
a74cb2 No.594671
>>594656
i am just curious, this isn't a lead-in to some other question.
what theory of the atonement do you subscribe to?
9859b2 No.594679
>>594665
faith means obediance, action is intrinsic to that obedience.
faith apart from obedience is dead and does not save and amounts to the cheerleaders who yell "LORD LORD, did we not prophecy in your name and perform miracles??" Yes you can talk the talk, but talking the talk will never, ever save you or anything else in this universe.
Jesus wants disciples who emulate him, not cheerleaders who simply sing his praises and mentally assent to some facts about him.
>>594671
he renewed human nature, and reconciled man with God and healed the world, and those who have faith in him participate in that renewal (to "have faith" implies to obey him and conform to him, since he is the new law; thus the works vs faith distinction does not occur, they are one)
a74cb2 No.594680
>>594679
for my convenience, does this view have a name?
4acd27 No.594683
>>594671
>what theory of the atonement do you subscribe to?
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7ddd26 No.594684
>>594679
>who yell "LORD LORD, did we not prophecy in your name and perform miracles??"
You forgot one part.
Matthew 7:22-23
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
778a8f No.594686
>>594677
TIL direct quotes from the bible are apostolic arguments
9859b2 No.594690
>>594680
I'm eastern orthodox, i think its called reconciliation or recapitulation or expiation….I dunno
>>594684
>wonderful works!
Wonderful works in their point of view, perhaps they went out "SOUL WINNING" or drinking deadly poisons and impressing people, who knows? What we do know is Christ immediately rebukes their idea of "wonderful works" and accuses them of working iniquity, recall he says: "enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth. the will of my Father which is in heaven." You gotta do the Father's will.
Believing on Christ is just a quick way of saying "emulate and execute the law of Christ, walk the path Jesus taught"….good works are not just side effects, or ways to convince your friends you're legit, good works are intrinsic to salvation and to faith and to knowing that you actually believe what you claim you do.
eec48b No.594698
>>594680
Heresy
>>594679
>faith means obediance
Do you believe Paul was wrong to distinguish works and faith?
24f267 No.594702
>>594621
The ephesians quote is a statement indeed, but it does not say what you think it says. It says you are saved by the grace of God. It does not say that you are saved by your own faith.
As for James, the answer to verse 14 is verse 19. And you missed the point in verses 15 & 16.
7ddd26 No.594705
>>594690
>who knows?
I just wanted to let you know you forgot that part. The part where it says works.
>You gotta do the Father's will.
John 6:39-40
And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
>good works are intrinsic to salvation and to faith and to knowing that you actually believe what you claim you do.
Not according to James 2 it isn't. They serve as justification before men, which is central to our mission, Ephesians 2:10. Assurance of salvation comes from the word of God being the foundation of truth. It never changes.
1 Peter 1:3-5
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
1 John 5:13
These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
1 Corinthians 1:18
For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
>Believing on Christ is just a quick way of saying "emulate and execute the law of Christ, walk the path Jesus taught"
Fortunately Christ did those things.
2 Corinthians 5:21
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
Philippians 3:8-9
Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
fa263b No.594745
>>594702
No, it says "saved through faith" "not of your selves" "gift" "NOT OF WORKS"
e98892 No.594759
IT500yoT: protestants quote the scriptures >>594333 and catholics are willingly ignorant of it >>594339
48edbb No.594764
>>594759
>prots memorize scripture like muslims with the quran, or jews with the talmud
>lack the deposit of faith Christ left with the apostles
>can barely arrive at the nicene creed without screwing it up (see: general attitude towards the Holy Mary, Mother of God)
they can repeat scripture in their sleep, but they have bad teachings
48edbb No.594766
>>594460
oh? but I thought you baptists were literalists? just not when it pleases you huh
a74cb2 No.594777
>>594766
>oh?
what do you mean "oh?"
i didn't make a statement, i asked you questions.
>I thought you baptists were literalists? just not when it pleases you huh
what does whether or not the statement is literal have to do with my question?
i was asking you whether or not it's being directed solely to the rich man, or if it applies to everyone.
is your understanding of the command that it is to everyone, but "give everything away, and follow me" is to be taken figuratively?
eec48b No.594783
>>594764
>don't memorize the bible, memorize manmade myths instead
0fca2f No.594785
>>594759
it's pointless to learn the words by heart if you don't understand the spirit behind the ink on the pages
48edbb No.594803
>>594777
whatever the Church teaching is on it
>>594783
if by "man-made", you mean apostolic teaching, sure
but you reject the apostles, and you reject the authority placed in them by Christ.
d1590e No.594808
>>594537
Yet he is the God of the living, not the dead.
7ddd26 No.594817
>>594803
>whatever the Church teaching is on it
Yeah that's nice, just keep your corrupting hands off our Scripture in the future.
24f267 No.594822
>>594745
The clearest thing in the world is that according to this passage in Ephesians, faith itself is given to us by the grace of God. And it is by God's grace that we are saved, by way of the faith which is also a gift of God's grace. To deny this is to say man saves himself.
>"not of your selves"
>"gift"
Literally what I'm saying. And yet you try to argue against me.
>"NOT OF WORKS"
Calm down boy
This is also literally what I'm saying. What I'm telling you is that the faith vs works debate is for clowns. Neither your faith nor your works save you. God does by His grace. You only decide whether your wrists shatter from stress when He pulls you out of the grave or whether you reinforce His grip by also grasping His forearm in return. If one does have faith, he will make Christ present in Himself and thereby be to the world as Christ is. There is no dichotomy between faith and works, only symphony. The whole question is a western invention.
eec48b No.594866
>>594822
>faith itself is given to us by the grace of God.
Not a very synergistic perspective
>What I'm telling you is that the faith vs works debate is for clowns. Neither your faith nor your works save you. God does by His grace
Grace isn't magic, it isn't a substance, it means unmerited favor. Faith doesn't save in the sense of meriting favor, but neither does grace, as if it were a thing infused into the soul that made it likable. Salvation is all of grace, but faith is the means by which grace saves, as it is written, 'by grace are ye saved, through faith', and it cannot be protested that works are in the same camp, since it is followed 'not of works'.
>There is no dichotomy between faith and works, only symphony. The whole question is a western invention.
The plain and simple reality is that this distinction is to be found in the scriptures, including being the sole focus of an entire book. Rejecting the dichotomy is doing nothing but distancing yourself from those scriptures.
18559e No.594873
>>594764
> (see: general attitude towards the Holy Mary, Mother of God)
"The only way unto my father in heaven is through me"
Now why shall I waist my time praying to a woman with no power of her own in my appeals to God. God sees me as I am, if Mary prays for me, God still sees me as I am. God will only treat me as I am. He is omniscient.
93a4e3 No.595064
>>594336
>doesn't read scripture
Knew you were Catholic even without the flag.
2ba092 No.595073
>>594339
>Filthy raggots falling for the works salvation meme
Got some bad news for you, bro.
778a8f No.595075
>it's God who works through you
>works are filthy rags
<impying God's works are filthy rags
Really activates the Holy Spirit…
7b8ec0 No.595081
>>594873
I'm not particularly interested in this particular subject so frankly I don't know, someone more knowledgeable might give you an answer, but the Bible definitely says asking other Christians to pray for you is good and useful - St. Paul does this, for example.
434a6d No.595084
>>594333
>he thinks being a peace and love hippie is going to get him into heaven
fc6e72 No.595087
>do this or you'll go to hell
>b-but you don't have to do anything if you're saved!
a74cb2 No.595089
>>595087
who are you quoting?
c1807a No.595091
>>595087
>just have faith and you'll be saved
>unless you have faith and think you need to do good works also, then you're damned
18edc5 No.595098
>>595064
>knowing everything the bible says
not everyone is as smart as you
5ba686 No.595105
>>594533
>How so? This is the meaning of faith without works is dead. Faith without works has no substance, it isn't real.
Body is alive when it have spirit. But if it have no spirit it is still body, but dead. Notice, James does not say "as human without spirit" but as "body". Between alive and dead body there is only one difrence - spirit.
>>594565
>Really nigga? You use that and not James 2?
I can use James 2 but since you only James you guys like is homsexual king then I please you.
>Scribes and Pharisees have ZERO righteousness, they don't even believe in Christ
According to Christ they have some. But even if you insist that they have none you still need some to have more than them.
>He's talking about physically dying, NOT damnation. Get the context "whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices. whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them,"
Context you say?
What immediately follows this is parable about fig tree. About bearing fruit and consequences of not doing so. John 15 comes to mind.
But let me remind you that verses and chapters are very, very late Catholic tradition. So there is no difference between chapter ending of chapter 12 and beginning of 13 which is evident from text "And there were present, at that very time". At what time? Luke 12:
54 And he said also to the multitudes: When you see a cloud rising out of the west, presently you say: A shower is coming: and so it happeneth:
55 And when ye see the south wind blow, you say: There will be heat: and it cometh to pass.
56 You hypocrites, you know how to discern the face of the heavens, and of the earth; but how is it that you do not discern this time?
57 And why even of yourselves do you not judge that which is just?
58 *And when thou goest with thy adversary to the ruler, whilst thou art in the way, endeavour to be delivered from him: lest, perhaps, he draw thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the exactor, and the exactor cast thee into prison.
59 I say to thee: thou shalt not go out thence, until thou pay the very last mite.
Context is definitely about final end of human.
>That's being born physically which is why in the next verse he says "That which is born of the flesh is flesh; "
<Baptism of Water means physical birth guyz
Titus 3:5, John 3:3
>And that would contradict verses 15/16/18/36 of the same chapter.
<Each time faith is mentioned it;s faith alone guyz, not obedient faith working through charity that do what Christ commands us guyz
How can you say you have even try to use it as contradiction while faith requies that you belive as true words spoken to you by Christ and simultenslly you deny that " He that believeth, and is baptized, shall be saved"
cd0ec4 No.595106
>>595091
So you believe syncretism doesn't send you to Hell?
>follow Catholic practices and you'll be saved
>unless you syncretize your Catholic practices with other faiths such as Islam and Buddhism, then you're damned
Hell, you must believe pagans can be saved, so long as the God of the Bible is one of the gods they believe in
2b5891 No.595141
>>595105
>since you only James you guys like is homsexual king
This reminds me why I don't like Poles. Learn how to spoken before using an English speaking board
fc6e72 No.595150
>>595106
Nobody has said that, read Romans 2.
5ba686 No.595155
>>595141
The pot is calling the kettle black
376e81 No.595156
>>595141
>Learn how to spoken before using an English speaking board
can you into engrish youself?
c1807a No.595159
>>595141
That was a pretty sick burn, though.
778a8f No.595161
>>595141
>Learn how to spoken
e98892 No.595180
>>594649
Romans 4:4-5 LITV
(4) "Now to one working, the reward is not counted according to grace, but according to debt.
(5) But to the one not working, but believing on Him justifying the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness."
Ephesians 2:8-10 MKJV
(8) "For by grace you are saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God,
(9) not of works, lest anyone should boast.
(10) For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to good works, which God has before ordained that we should walk in them."
>James 2:24
James 2:18 LITV
(18) But someone will say, You have faith, and I have works. Show me your faith apart from your works, and I will show you my faith out of my works.
24f267 No.595962
>>594866
most of this post, you're just repeating many of the things I said. It all makes sense when you consider that the statement 'If faith, then works' does not equal the statement 'If works, then faith'.