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Also why did God make sex feel so so great? Its not just good, it's like a seizure inducing heroin high. Totally unnecessary tbh.

Humans don't need to feel such a thing, specially in such lewd positions.

>sex is primal

>why is it hard to control?

also, people are weak.

>>593298

>>593296

It's like that because it's a necessary incentive for people to produce the next generation.

Of course, now with abortion people are trying to have their sex without the reason behind it. Utilizing murder nonetheless.

>>593300

>now with abortion people are trying to have their sex without the reason behind it

basically sex is trivial

>>593300

this assumes humans are as stupid as animals, we don't need intense drug-like highs to engage in a worthwhile activity.

Im not saying sex should be neutral, it should still feel decent, but it just seems absurd to give it such a high degree of objective pleasure, while we're such an intelligent species.

Honestly it seems more like a side-effect of evolution we carry around, rather than a purposely designed feature.

Specially since sex is supposed to be something we can and should control and abstain from, yet the drive is immense and the reward is higher than anything else we can experience naturally.

If I was designing man I would make prayer a lot more pleasurable than it is, and reduce some of the pleasure of sex. Sex is cranked up to 12 outta 10, it should be more like a 6 outta 10.

>>593304

>this assumes humans are as stupid as animals, we don't need intense drug-like highs to engage in a worthwhile activity.

Actually, IIRC Humans and Dolphins are only ones that enjoy doing it.

Also: Just get a wife.

>>593312

Bonobos and some bears too

But yeah casual sex seems to be prevalent the more intelligent you go and not the other way around

>>593312

i don't believe that meme, you can tell dogs like it, lions like it, rabbits and rodents screw all day. some rodents do it until they die

>>593319

well they have shorter lives and their offspring is also highly prone to never survive adolescence, especially rodents and lions. lion females are massive whores but their cubs also get eaten half time or die of starvation/dehydration.

>>593304

Nigga, do you not understand why there's so much obesity?

Physical feelings are the best way to encourage someone to do something.

>>593296

>become perfectly pure, unsexual creatures until the night of their wedding?

>Implying you want this

No, really, think about it.

It's a way worse idea than it seems.

>>593333

>Orthodox

>against purity

What???

>>593333

i actually like the primal, insane version of sex we have these days, but there's a lot of problems with it.

rape, faggots, stds, abortions, molestations, sex addicts, fappers, etc….

the problem is the reward system is so high for such low effort work.

>>593326

>Physical feelings are the best way to encourage someone to do something.

yes, and I expect this form of intense motivation from a semi-blind evolutionary process….I get it; but I not from an all wise Designer, who ideally wants men and women to remain chaste until marriage and then perform very pure missionary sex with the lights off, for the sole purpose of procreation.

>>593326

>Physical feelings are the best way to encourage someone to do something.

so confession and prayer should be the most objectively intense pleasurable feelings man should have, since his soul is on the line. Yet the reward mechanism for both those practices is very low compared to sex. There's definitely "some" reward, although its very subjective and not intense.

>>593388

The reason prayer doesn't have the same physical reward is because we're supposed to do it for a completely different reason than sex.

>le original sin face

Also, it's the summation of our physical existence. Fundamentally speaking, our physical forms grow and mature for the sole reason of producing more of ourselves. Time and thinking have gone hand in hand when it comes to the the reasons why, and civilization has facilitated the management of sexuality ever since.

It's important to keep in mind that while we have urges and feelings on a near constant basis, very few are conducive towards our longstanding goals and future endeavours. Even from a purely utilitarian and anti-religious sentiment this makes sense; if you slept around with every woman you could get your hands on, we would be marooned with illegitimate children that would be born into more stressful rearing conditions than if a man settled with one woman and started a long term familial relationship with her. This same principle applies to other pursuits as well, and hence why most people who don't acknowledge it do not find success as readily.

You could also say it's a trial of sorts. Temptation and worldly pressures are far closer and accessible to us than ever before, so it shouldn't surprise us that so many people have both drifted from God in favor of cummies.

>>593403

> Temptation and worldly pressures are far closer and accessible to us than ever before, so it shouldn't surprise us that so many people have both drifted from God in favor of cummies

shows how weak people are. also look how shit society is now that impulse is allowed to reign free. fucking terrible.

>>593406

I know the conclusion that people are weak is correct but I wanted to intervene on this

>shows how weak people are

They're not trying to resist having sex, so it doesn't actually show anything related to their willpower.

>>593406

Either malice or folly brought us to this point, though personally I'm banking on malice. The undercurrent of all our sexual sins have existed since before civilization, and probably started in one way or another with the decadence that inspired the Flood. There's no doubt in my mind that they are the product of suggestion from demons and reinforced by external pressures ranging from environmental stress to social tolerance. For that reason, I feel that our best solutions are on the teaching of others in how to overcome those urges, widespread implementation of God's Word, and the winning of the generation war through strong marriages and large families.

>>593415

>so it doesn't actually show anything related to their willpower.

it literally is though. most people arent randomly getting laid. they're actively seeking sex, popping out kids they hate while still doing it. also drug use and obesity are at a all time high. zero impulse control and zero self awareness.

Amount of spiritual energy of God inside you regulates your amount of negative desires.

This is very often overlooked.

Always live in harmony dear friends.

>>593422

Emptiness. That's what these people have. That's why they look for it in those poor pursuits.

>>593383

I'm not agaisnt purity.

I'm saying mentally rewiring humans is bound to produce some imbalances, and, say, result in girls that have some slutty tendencies "activating" after becoming wives, and other such bad things..

For better or worse, atleast you can make a rough estimate about this stuff nowadays.

>>593390

Were supposed to sex for procreation not to just orgasm…

>>593333

FLEE FORNICATION

>>593467

Yeah, he is right. Did you all forget that sex is good in the right context of marriage for marital bonding and the procreation of children? Rewiring is 1. saying God does not know best and 2. a tyrannical choice. I deeply question the sanity of most of you. Unwise, terrible knee-jerk reactions. It is also trying to solve the issue by overriding God. It's like saying "No God, I don't want to deal with this trial with the machine I am given, I want it so the trial is rendered moot!" All of you proposing this rewiring nonsense are cowards who want it easy. Enough womanly whining. Women whine, men roll up their sleeves and deal with it without complaint. Gird up thy loins, this is the age we live in.

>>593296

You don't.

People used to deal with this reasonably well by marrying a year or so after sexual maturity.

>>593626

Where are you getting this "the desire to fornicate is a trial from God" doctrine from?

>>593296

Im getting fucked by life and it doesnt feel orgasmic at all

>>593296

It's simple, we marry people as soon as they are born, just as how God wanted, as in predestining people to be together.

how do we solve the theres literally no room for children in your house problem

>>593552

>>593467

>>593626

>>593296

A cursory glance at world history will tell you that people as a whole are primal and hard to regulate. Free will + fallen nature = NightmareVision.jpg

>>593317

>But yeah casual sex seems to be prevalent the more intelligent you go and not the other way around

If you're controlled less by instinct you need to be controlled more by hormones.

>>593296

>How do we rewire men and women to go against their nature and become perfectly pure, unsexual creatures until the night of their wedding?

Arranged marriages?

>>594902

They are cute to look. But honestly I rather be "alone" with God than having a gf/wife who would lead me away from Him…hence why I doubt I'll ever get married.

>>594902

insect fetish?

>>594944

>the grapes are sour

nice coping

>>594949

honorary aryans

>>593296

Because real Virtue is supposed to be hard and necessitates responsibility

>>593298

Sounds like you've only experienced anxiety-driven masturbation/sex.

(aka. The body imprisons the mind.)

I thought it was one of the highest physical highs when I was a teenager, but when I began, out of the feeling of emptiness, to chase higher `human` pursuits (increasing knowledge, seeking truth, finding stability for the future), I found a great peace. I realized that I can control myself, and there are higher highs than what can solely done to the body.

(Coincidentally, I had a problem with binge eating for the last few years before then, and it completely disappeared at the flick of a switch.)

Now, don't get me wrong, the desire to have sex was still there, but not as much as the desire to get to know a person, to make sure their day is going well, and to enjoy small moments with them. So when I had sex with my wife (after being friends for a long time) the first time on our wedding night, it was completely different than all the other times because we both knew each other (metaphorically) inside-out. There's never any stress or pressure and it's just a fun extra activity now instead of the end all, be all.

Maybe that is the

>rewiring

you're looking for?

Even brain matter is elastic, after all.

But every individual has to make the choice to do it themselves.

Good thing you haven't confused steamy sex with stable love (eros vs storge) though – kudos to you.

>>593312

>Just get a wife.

Sex is the worst reason to get a wife.

>>594951

gross

stop creating elliot rodgers you american

>>594970

>, to chase higher `human` pursuits (increasing knowledge, seeking truth, finding stability for the future), I found a great peace. I realized that I can control myself, and there are higher highs than what can solely done to the body.

how do you do this? im on the same path but it the flesh has a lot more power over me

>>594996

There was an important segment cut out:

>out of the feeling of emptiness

If you feel fulfilled by the flesh, you will never truly want to throw off its yoke.

But if you also feel the hole within you, what I started with: pushing the body to the absolute limit. Exercising until I dropped. Fasting for several days on end. And continuing to go to university and other obligations despite the full-body pain.

In this way I realized that the body is truly weak and, thus, conquerable.

Also, a word of caution: straight-up denying yourself something is not going to work. In my case, it made things worse. But once you have the guilty object, observe it clearly with all senses, look at what it really is in the physical realm, and the symbolism and importance you attach to it will melt away.

>>594970

>Sex is the worst reason to get a wife.

Only if you're into polygamy and constantly chasing new highs like a dopamine addict. If you're a normal, healthy guy then wife sex is great sex.

>>593296

sex itself should only be "regulated" down the line. what seems must be regulated in actuality is the degenerate behavior and trauma associated with sex, but this trauma can also be used as a mind control, and can so be justified. orgasm is a physical manifestation of a whiteside devil's trance. the motion of it is in communion with god, whether consciously or unconsciously. the trauma i am talking about is that mindnumbing feeling associated with porn, or the viscerally exciting urge to

>>593298

it's the "seizure" itself that is at it's nativity with your true conception of god. it is a physical motion tied to the divine. god has circumvented this for me. i feel nothing when i orgasm, but have a vision of the feeling's negation.

>>595253

No, it is the worst REASON.

Wife sex is great, but you should want a wife for better reasons than getting to have sex.

>>595394

Lol'd

>>595373

>sex is worst reason to marry

not if you're a man

>>595436

Would you prefer to live in a filthy house, with no warm meals waiting for you when you return from work, no happy children to run up and greet their papa? A wife who is a great lay, but spends most of her free time shopping for luxuries with your money and who ignores you for the soap opera on TV when you try to tell her about your day? Who eventually will claim she's too tired for sex because she's been a mommy all day long, even though she dumps the kids on a grandparent/a nanny/preschool? Who will probably have an affair or divorce you when you lose your job, even though she seemed like the ideal trad Christian girl when you met her?

Who will take care of you when you are sick and your children are young? Who will take care of you when you are old and your children have long realised what disappointing parents you and your wife were?

Sex is easy to obtain. Other traits are not.

>>595445

>Would you prefer to live in a filthy house, with no warm meals waiting for you when you return from work

In order for the sex to keep going, you've got to maintain your physical fitness. Surely, still being desirable would command enough respect from your wife to incentivise her to keep the house clean?

>no happy children to run up and greet their papa

What are you saying here? That there's no children or that there's no happy children? Surely, even if your wife is terrible at everything outside of the bedroom, you can still be on good terms with your kids?

>A wife who is a great lay, but spends most of her free time shopping for luxuries with your money and who ignores you for the soap opera on TV when you try to tell her about your day?

Surely, whilst sex was your top-most reason for marrying your wife, that doesn't mean it was your only reason? Surely, there were other redeeming qualities and common hobbies?

>Who eventually will claim she's too tired for sex because she's been a mommy all day long, even though she dumps the kids on a grandparent/a nanny/preschool?

Surely, if you keep gaming your wife and staying on-point in both your body and your behaviour, you'd never experience the infamous "dead bedroom"?

>Who will probably have an affair or divorce you when you lose your job, even though she seemed like the ideal trad Christian girl when you met her?

Surely, she'd still value her promise to God, even if she no longer valued me?

>Who will take care of you when you are sick and your children are young?

Surely, by being physically fit, this would never happen?

>Who will take care of you when you are old and your children have long realised what disappointing parents you and your wife were?

Surely, the whole thing about old people becoming weak and frail is just a byproduct of them sitting around, doing nothing rather than trying to stay physically active?

>>595445

sex is vital part of bonding and intimacy, and a natural instinct; unless you are low testosterone soyboy with no libido.

Of course sex is a huge pillar of marriage, if you can't keep your wife happy someone else will. And if she can't keep her husband happy…his eyes will start to wander. That's why the bible says we have conjugal duties towards our spouses

>>593296

People, when educated properly about the risks of STDs and the undesirable nature of pregnancy before you're financially capable of nurturing a child, regulate their own behavior, with the handful of odd exceptions that every generation produces. Needless to say, it is not the natural state of man to render oneself prudish and disdainful of sexual activity. (Nor is it natural to render oneself an unscrupulous whore.) Everything which nature has produced, God has produced. So, has God made us in error? And has God seen fit to inform us of this error through the Jewish Rabbi known as Yeshua Ben Yosef of Galilee?

I suppose, to answer your question more directly, sex is hard to regulate because it is natural, and a prudish, anti-sex mentality born of the quintessential Abrahamic hatred of nature (of what is called "earthly things") is not natural. Now, whether it is good or bad is neither here nor there, but for the survival of a people, it is necessary. You guys get the lovely loophole of supposedly remaining chaste thanks to the bond of holy matrimony, but supposing you have a wife and are sexually active, lemme know the next time you two copulate if you feel very chaste and virginal.

>>593630

…Christianity? How is it not a trial? Lust is a trial like any other sin.

Sex is good because God implanted those desires in us. It is not evil, but just because we have those instincts does not mean we have to act like monkeys.