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Being a slave is a legitimate occupation.

>>592888

You do realize that only reason why we do not have slaves today in the western world is because they cost too much money, right?

Owning a slave would cost more than hiring someone to work for you on a minimal wage costs right now.

>>592888

Is it necessary to say that something is bad when it's obviously bad? should've Jesus also said something against dirt? Also you do realize that asides Chattel slavery there were other forms of servitude too, that were basically indistinguishable from modern day employment?

>implying that hordes of dirt-waged workers aren't basically slaves

It's still a thing today and always will be. The Lord is wise enough to see that being a slave can be honorable and more importantly that all are equal in His vision.

>>592902

>dirt

>bad

>>592890

>You do realize that only reason why we do not have slaves today in the western world is because they cost too much money, right?

>Owning a slave would cost more than hiring someone to work for you on a minimal wage costs right now.

You what?

Whenever i hear this idiocy, i wanna facepalm.

Yeah, it totally is cheaper to pay 10 bucks an hour, or whatever, than to force a guy to work in totally shitty conditions for below minimum pay.

Apparently, the entire human trafficking industry from Western Europe has been operating at a loss for the past 50 years, and no one has ever noticed.

2 random articles i found, off the top of my head:

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2013/jun/05/european-governments-oblivious-forced-labour-conditions

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2017/oct/31/terrible-conditions-police-uncover-abuse-and-exploitation-on-farms-in-sicily

Exodus 21:16

>>592902

>>592906

should've said "against eating dirt", my bad

>>592911

Human trafficking of our age is incomparable to modern/ancient slavery.

When slavery is outlawed of course you're gonna have abductees living in bad conditions, that's how crime operates - hidden. Human trafficking is profitable because it's illegal, not vice versa.

Compare that to any functioning slave state from history. The owner had to feed, dress and sometimes educate his slaves. That charges much more than locking a person in a shipping container. The first poster exaggerated when he said that profit is the only reason slavery is abolished. The most important reason why slavery is no longer practiced is that slaves like to revolt. Slave uprising almost always happened when slaves got conscious of their status.

Be sure that people in capitalistic spirit would be quick to return to slavery if it somehow became profitable again. Not only that but they would be also able to make it resonate with contemporary ideology, with human rights etc. Propagating that "disowning you human rights is a human right."

>Whenever i hear this idiocy, i wanna facepalm.

Also nobody here thinks you're big brained for posting articles, while in the same post you act as a snarky tumblrcunt and use 2010 internet slang.

One presupposition you're making is that historical slavery was not a necessary step for civilisation before the development of technologies sufficient to replace human labour.

Its a serious question you need to attempt to answer before deciding whether Jesus should have spoke against it.

>>592888

Of course, and there was nothing wrong with it as it implemented as long term labor that they were paid for in the form of shelter and food. The issue is that you've trying to give the implication that all slaves were abused, beaten, and whipped. They weren't, and the abuse of slaves is condemned in the bible.

>>592925

How do you enslave someone without violating Exodus 21:16?

>>592937

this, plus slaves were guaranteed liberty in the jubilee year

>>592911

Why do people not read what they post? Or maybe people do not comprehend what they post. The first article literal states that there is no evidence for the number quoted. But with both articles they are exploited by what EU standards are. Guess what, below EU standards are still seen as great by almost a majority of the world. Both articles show that it is migrates (but called them citizens) issue. Standards of living are different around the world, and the threat of being sent home can keep you in a local relatively bad job, then compared to home* you will still work.

So even if you think this is a great concern, it does not show that slavery (even in your loose definition) is the bases of the economy. The percentage is incredibly low, and this example could only be fixed by immigration tightening.

>>592925

>Human trafficking is profitable because it's illegal, not vice versa.

So, the main problem with human trafficking is it's not regulated?

Seriously?

What is this, Illium?

> The owner had to feed, dress and sometimes educate his slaves.

Kinda.

Early roman slavery was brutal as fuck.

Late roman was pretty decent.

With slavs, you'd be ok, eventually.

Being a viking thrall was variable.

>>592961

>But with both articles they are exploited by what EU standards are.

I don't think child labour, living in unheated sheds and being frequent victims of sexual abuse is exactly legal in any civilised part of the world.

>>592946

Many slaves have sold themselves into bondage. This was the practice written into the law if you keep reading. Also war prices was a practice shown in the old testament. So this quoted scripture within context is just kidnapping your neighbor outside of war or cause. The bible gives multiple ways people can bionically acquire slave.

>>592888

Sin is slavery. Christ spoke very much against it.

>>592967

I mean, a local italian catholic priest called them out on how scarily abusive it is in a certain region, and is also doing some large campaigns to fight against this stuff, so it's not exactly media propaganda and bleeding heart memes.

>>592967

>exactly legal in any civilized part of the world.

I stated this would be something looked up to by almost half of the world. Your reply is that it would be looked up to by 8/10 of the world. That would be even more people would be willing to take that offer.

Beside the complaint was that someone basically stated capitalism killed slavery as a common practice. Because the cost of maintaining someone is greater than wages. Plus they are less likely to shirk. Even marx agreed with that statement, and wrote about why this was a good of capitalism. It is not an actual debate in facts. Will there by a fringe that will be exploited whether relative or universally, Yes, this is not a utopia. But to not be able to state that slavery in the west is dead is just false witness.

>>592888

Slavery has never being the Dixie Antebellum slavery of Hollywood. In ancient times, a slave was a temporary worker and his/her sons were not owned by the slaver. Slavery lasted for a few years and you could pay for your freedom.

Modern slavery of the 18th century was not as it's portrayed on TV. While it was a crueler, live long slavery, it wasn't a savage one. Modern labour is worse than slavery. Think about it.

>Pay for the capture and import of slaves

>Buy them from a seller

>Have to feed them, cloth them, shelter them and provide healthcare for them

>Ignore one of the above and your slave will die

>Now you lost the money he was worth, and you lost his labour.

>Contemporary business

>Offer the minimum wage to a limited group of people, who are competing for the place

>No need to feed, cloth, shelter, offer protection nor healthcare

>If they overwork and die, people will be waiting to take their place

Sure slavery is horrible, but back them, it wasn't on the interest of people to care about a social issue that was basically people in debt, offering labour to pay for that debt, because what most individuals cared about was the sociopolitical issue of the occupation of Israel by the SPQR, and the corruption of local religious authorities.

>>592969

That is why you are to choose to become a servant (Slave) to Christ. Because you can only serve one master. You are to be loyal and obey.

>>592989

An unpopular fact is that most blacks saw a decrease in living standards in america once they switched to share cropping in compared to Dixie Antebellum style slavery. This is not an argument for slavery. But the depiction of slavery in culture is non-sense and then to take the outlandish mental image and then try to wrestle biblical law is not tenable.

>>592888

not only that, but Paul said basically

>if you're a slave, be the best slave that you can be

and also said

>hey, i'm sending you back your escaped slave, he converted to Christianity when he was over here with me

>if he owes you money or something, put it on my account

>i'd appreciate it if you gave him his freedom, b/c he's been really good as a disciple

>never mentions anything about the institution of slavery per se

>>593029

>Liberalism is heresy

Couldn’t have said it better myself. If a liberal value sounds like something you heard in the Bible be sure to check the original Greek. The gommies have been trying to subvert the word of Christ for a century now.

>>593050

What does "Bi-IMMIGRANTS" mean?

>>593085

Sodomites