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The term "sola fide" is human tradition since it doesn't appear in the bible unless its to rebuke the Baptist idea of sola fide. I would never let it be used in a homily.

>>591670

Thanks for sharing. Do you know much about the false religions of the world? Can they claim anything similar to Ephesians 2:8-10?

>>591669

I'm not sure. In Buddhism the conversion is as follows.

I take refuge in the Buddha (faith)

I take refuge in the Dharma -Buddha's teachings (obeying commands of Buddha, works?) -i.e refrain from drinking-

I take refuge in the Sangha -Community (take part in the community of believers, works?)

>>591674

They still don't believe you're saved by faith alone though. They just don't consider the hadiths

>>591672

Thanks, very informative. I guess obeying Buddha's teachings and commandments would be a work, but they don't really believe in a paradise, right?

I'm reading that islam teached that there's 9 conditions if their confession of faith in their moon god is to be valid.

The nine conditions of the shahadah are known as:

1- Knowledge

2- Certainty

3- Adherence

4 - Submission

5- Truth

6- Sincerity

7 - Love

8 - Denial

9 - Acceptance

source http://en.islamway.net/article/8724/key-to-paradise

>>591673

Only thing better than a maze is a crossword. Sudoku is fun too, but it pretzels my brain if I make a wrong move

>>591670

>The term "sola fide" is human tradition since it doesn't appear in the bible

Well it's easier than saying "whosoever believes on Jesus"

>>591677

In Buddhism, “salvation” (I guess the equivalent of salvation would be going to Nirvana) comes from extreme meditation and asceticism. It’s work-based, but also very non-specific and unclear as to what you must do

In Islam, salvation comes from submitting your whole life to the law of God. Islam literally means “submission.” They believe if you are a Muslim you are subject to all penalties of Islamic law, and if you don’t follow them you will be killed and go to Hell. It’s a very works-based religion. Even in more liberal groups, they say you must follow the five pillars and that mere faith won’t save you

>>591673

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.

9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.

13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Mark 7: 7-9;13

What need is there for a maze when Christ our Lord simply says to come unto him? He is not the author of confusion (1 Corinthians 14:33), so why would he need a series of false turns and the steady stream of works when we have been justified by faith alone? (Ephesians 2:8-9)

Salvation by faith is unique to Christianity, all other religions require that you save yourself through observing the law.

Doesn't the Book of Mormon say something like "If you keep every law, then His grace is sufficient for you"?

>>591713

But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

Galatians:3:23-26

Only there is no one, save the Lord Jesus Christ who could keep the whole law. The Pharisees, who in those times were considered the most law abiding, traditionalist, and 'holy' people broke the law, see James 2:10. We are born into sin, and so if what you say is to be believed, no one would make it to heaven my friend.

>>591700

I think it's only logical to say that the false religions have a concept of faith, even if its not articulated as such. A person who subscribes to Buddhist philosophy has to put faith (the evidence of things not seen, Heb 11) in the concept of reincarnation and hope that he'll not be reborn as a tapeworm. See >>591672

Islam's central salvation message is professing that there's no god besides allah, but they believe this is empty faith unless it's followed with complete submission.

The difference is that these religions believe in faith and then works to qualify that faith, wouldn't you say?

>>591713

>If you keep every law

So do the Mormons actually believe that they live perfect lives? Or do they preform mental gymnastics to lessen the seriousness of whatever sin they live in?

Sola Fide is a false religion.