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hierarchy also separates races and classes

you can value some more than others, without hating anyone and being a prick about it

>>591521

Exactly. However, the higher the position, the higher the responsibility, and the fall. Lucifer is a warning on what happens when you either worship your own position in the hierarchy or trade too much.

>wahhhh those lefties forcing this concept of equality on everyone

All brainlet illiterates (including OP) need to read John Locke before they start blathering on about equality.

>Democracy is evil :DDDD

Read C.S. Lewis too while you're at it.

>>591801

>John Locke

Fuck the endarkenment

>>591804

You don't have to like him, you just have to understand his theory and understand that he is a right-winger who came up with it before you make a stupid critique like: BUT SOME PEOPLE ARE BORN SMARTER OR STRONGER THAN OTHERS SO EQUALITY IS DEFACTO WRONG HA GOTCHA BITCH.

This is the tyranny of peace which brings stagnation, degeneration, racemixing, overpopulation, and no glory.

Fuck you OP, we must conquer nations, and subjugate our inferiors.

>>591517

I agree. Enough of this perverted mockery of God's creation. We need society to return to sanity.

>>591806

>we must conquer nations, and subjugate our inferiors.

This too. We can't just let ourselves decay.

Also ProTip: A king must serve god, a man must serve his king, a woman must serve her husband, and her children must honour the parents.

The moment one link the chain breaks it's all over because suddenly you're no longer serving the Good (which is God).

This is why the gnostic flag should just be brought back here. Go direct to God since our leaders have abandoned them and everything has broken down, we must each individually go to God now. If everything was working harmoniously then service to one another would be service to God but our "kings" have abandoned god and so god has abandoned us.

Regards, a gnostic. Go ahead and ban me.

>>591811

You realize that gnostics were historically anti-monarchy right?

abandoned him*

I go directly to God and he leads me through this darkness. All the institutions of society have abandoned God (including the Church) so we have no choice now but to seek him out directly, until the Kingdom is rebuilt, and the natural order and hierarchy is reestablished, and his hand is known in everything, and his grace is felt.

>>591812

>You realize that gnostics were historically anti-monarchy right?

You realize gnostics historically aren't a coherent group at all but just people who sought after God and often times failed and that until you know god yourself you won't know which gnostics were on the right path and which ones got lost on the way?

…and I am anti-monarchy in the sense that I believe the current monarchies should be destroyed but I am pro-monarchy in the sense that I recognize Absolute Monarchy and Divine Rights of Kings as the highest form of government possible.

It is very obvious however this current line of monarchs have degenerated badly. Perhaps the straw that broke the camel's back, if it wasn't the mixing with jews, is the recent case of Mr. Redhead here mixing with a fucking negress.

>>591517

>Some are more animal than others, especially the lower classes

Boggles the mind how Christ preached to them doesn't it

>>591517

Go back to china and preach your retarded Confucianism there

sage and [-]

>>591808

>Quotes Hooker

>Quotes the Bible

>Staunch advocate for private property

>Not a right winger

lol

>Social contract theory is a lie found nowhere in Christian history

Yeah just ignore the Christian figures who expounded on the theory brainlet, and ignore Hobbes who literally references the Bible with the title of his book.

Sage because I'm tired of dealing with imbeciles who have absolutely no grasp on history who feel that their ignorance and feelz > realz.

>Democracy is evil and anti-Christian

Since jews played a major role in the advancement of physics are we supposed to abandon all research in the area and not use anything we learn? Democracy is a tool, just like anything else. And I don't see how you can be a staunch Monarchist given how the only monarchy referenced in the Bible was given a divine mission from God himself and leaders appointed also by God and they failed miserably. It's like you enjoy ignoring history.

>>591816

>You realize gnostics historically aren't a coherent group at all

I believe they had a unifying feature of deviant Christologies which in the good old days would have gotten you burned for heresy

>>591818

Time to take a trip back to 1661 and read this: http://www.strecorsoc.org/jnayler/milkmeat.html

Also:

"Brothers, I could not address you as spiritual, but as worldly—as infants in Christ. I gave you milk, not solid food, for you were not yet ready for solid food. In fact, you are still not ready, for you are still worldly. For since there is jealousy and dissension among you, are you not worldly? Are you not walking in the way of man?…"

>>591824

All that shit was political. The people of the medieval ages actually enjoyed a lot of freedom unless their existence somehow became inconvenient or threatening to the power structures of the day. I'm sure you could say and think whatever you wanted for the most part but when someone decided you needed to be killed they would find something or make up some bullshit and then kill you. No different then false accusations of pedophilia, rape, and other hysterical bullshit that gets people killed off today. The state just uses mental institutions and the heresy's of today are different.

>>591517

Fuck racism

>>591838

…because I quote from all religions and many philosophers throughout history and truth is truth regardless of who says it.

…and my point here is that we must tailor our message to our audience. Children aren't spoken to the same way as adults, the less intelligent and capable are limited in their understanding.

>>591837

Lets end racism by not race baiting all the time and forcing demographic changes and flooding nations with foreigners. Lets make every nation be a nation for its people, like how Japan or Israel is. We can also just kill every non-white and then we will have ended racism.

>>591843

>cast not your evil eye upon the instruments, who, or what they may be; for that will beget wrath in your minds, and then you will lose the life you aim at, and suffer in vain

Seems hypocritical to take such a narrow quote from a sermon that otherwise stands against violence and desire for mere earthly concerns.

>>591847

Seems hypocritical the pacifists are the biggest perpetrators of violence.

A pacifist is just a status quo supporter. They instantly become the most bloodthirsty animals around when it suits them.

>>591517

In hell there is a democracy

Book, chapter, and verse please

>>591813

This is what happens when you don't understand what the word church means.

>>591517

>>591518

>>591522

I don't think it's sinful, but I've noticed that the pursuit of it doesn't achieve equality. Despite them bragging about "several accomplishments", they're also still complaining about sexism, racism, and discrimination in general. It seems to create more division than unity as well. They're pretty aware of it too, which is why they're trying to promote "more diversity", but a mixed group isn't going to fix issues effectively like a homogeneous one that represents them. Unfortunately, it's going to take them a while for them to get what we're thinking. They're stubborn in handing us credibility, so they're going to reintroduce it in the future.

I think that democracies are ineffective as it encourages politicians to make empty promises that they don't implement in their term. Hatred based on class is a sin though, as God condemned envy and jealousy.

>>591517

>Some are more animal than others, especially the lower classes are more banal and instinct driven.

Aren't the poor the blessed though?

>>591900

The animals are blessed. The more conscious you are, the less natural you become.

I didn't mean they were mere animals, I meant they were closer than the others.

>>591899

>I don't think it's sinful,

Weren't we supposed to be equal to God now that we have eaten from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil?

>but I've noticed that the pursuit of it doesn't achieve equality.

This tends to happen with lies (sin).

>>591857

Show me my racism. Go on. No, as a monarchist and a Christian I can look upon the many nations of the world and note their differences. I do not need to hate anybody for it.

>>591803

> those lefties

I disagree with Locke and Lewis. Here's what I have to show for Locke: >>591808

As for Lewis, he didn't deny the existence of a lower class, but the existence of an upper one. I do believe that there are, or at least used to be, higher class humans.

>>591942

Meant to answer >>591837

>>591939

>Weren't we supposed to be equal to God now that we have eaten from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil?

I don't think so. 'For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.' (Genesis 3:5), sounds a lot more like "You will understand what evil is, but I won't tell you about the constant temptation you will get from it". We have the forbidden knowledge of evil, but we still are quite feeble.

there's a hymn they sing in my (chatolic) church which goes by "equality… fraternity". it doesnt mention liberty but still… Sounds very republican/freemasonry stuff