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>>590776

>Dont kill girls that didnt participate in sinning of pervert and degenerate Canaanites

oh wow, I'm atheist now

Yes, Canaanites practiced degeneracy with children too

>>590776

Source on the image, OP? It looks like shit.

>>590778

Isn't it exactly what Isis has been doing the past decade?

>>590781

What about the baby boys, why should they have been killed? Or the pregnant women. Why do you get upset about abortion but give this stuff a free pass?

>>590785

It's from some crappy indie game

>>590776

Everybody has their ticket for the grave, some people just get there faster.

God is the giver of life but he may take it away as he sees fit as well.

>>590792

The fact that the people are being killed isn't even the thing that bothers me the most about it. (but don't misunderstand me, I do object to that too of course)

The thing that really bothers me is the brutal, violent, torturous method used. Just imagine how that would've played out. The shouting, screaming, the noise of the soldiers rushing into the village, the breaking down doors, then being stabbed with spears or slashed up with swords or battle axes, and likely not dying immediately but bleeding out, maybe surviving in agony for half an hour or even longer. And babies and small children were specified in command for this barbaric and evil (yes, evil) act.

>>590791

ISIS members breathe too. So what?

>>590795

Don't be ridiculous. I'm trying to point out, how can you criticise isis for their murder and rape in the name of their religion, while giving the old testament jewish version of the exact same thing a free pass?

>>590791

>Isn't it exactly what Isis has been doing the past decade?

isis seems to kill everyone tbh

`>>590791

31:13-18 The sword of war should spare women and children; but the sword of justice should know no distinction, but that of guilty or not guilty. This war was the execution of a righteous sentence upon a guilty nation, in which the women were the worst criminals. The female children were spared, who, being brought up among the Israelites, would not tempt them to idolatry. The whole history shows the hatefulness of sin, and the guilt of tempting others; it teaches us to avoid all occasions of evil, and to give no quarter to inward lusts. The women and children were not kept for sinful purposes, but for slaves, a custom every where practiced in former times, as to captives. In the course of providence, when famine and plagues visit a nation for sin, children suffer in the common calamity. In this case parents are punished in their children; and for children dying before actual sin, full provision is made as to their eternal happiness, by the mercy of God in Christ.

t. Matthiew henry

>>590796

>how can you criticise

Because ISIS's war against everyone wasn't commanded by God, but Moses war against the Midianites was.

>>590802

Asides this, by that time, extermination was the only solution for such cases, because prisons, modern day police system, security net and so on weren't a thing

>>590796

How do you know my opinions in ISIS? Have we ever lunched together?

>>590796

>murder and rape

1)learn the definition of murder

2)there was no rape and this is an asspull

>>590794

There are worse fates. Like being an atheist.

>>590791

>Isn't it exactly what Isis has been doing the past decade?

If I would believe that being a muslim ISIS way was a certain way for salvation I would at least consider doing it myself tbh.

>>590776

Ask them how they feel about ISIS, or any large group of people that participates in rape and child molestation.

Also ask them if they believe a nation has the right to kill those who are a threat to them.

>>590802

How do you know that? ISIS seem pretty convinced that they're doing what 'god' wants them to do, as well. What you're saying is precisely the same answer that ISIS would probably give.

>>590840

Are you fucking serious? Do you think the midianite/amalekite/etc babies and toddlers were a 'threat' to the israelites?

>>590815

>2)there was no rape and this is an asspull

Oh yeah, no 'rape', I guess they were just forced to marry the men who just hacked up their families with bronze age war equipment. Yeah, that's nothing like rape

>>590828

Explains a lot.

Christian grandstanding about 'good morals' and moral standards and righteousness is a total facade. You don't have a claim for any sort of moral highground while you're defending and making excuses for this stuff. Pieces of shit

>>590853

>I guess they were just forced to marry

they were children, you braindead moron

>>590776

Numbers 31:17-18 in context is a command given by God. If you believe that such a command was in fact given, then you are implicitly recognizing that God who gave the command, and that hell which the same God also created exists. So this passage is not a reason to reject Christianity if you already accept the existence of hell – and to reject hell would simply be questioning the absolute justice of God in this life and in the next. So I surmise that you do question this perfect justice and that you question whether God who gave this command is capable of being just.

Maybe you think there is nothing after death, but that would mean you don't think that God which gave this commandment exists. So you have two choices, either God exists and therefore everything He commands is just; or else you claim God who gave this command doesn't exist, which would also nullify the very existence of this command in the first place.

>>590794

What's the difference between suffocating, having an axe driven through your chest, and dying in your bed?

They have the exact same result, it's just that the acts themselves provide different feelings before you die.

Was God to one by one put them to sleep before killing them?

Would he dole out painless lethal injections?

While he certainty could, why would he?

If you have an army and a number of people to be killed, you have soldiers do it.

It's the most reasonable path to take.

>>590794

Anon I understand what you're trying to say, but the modern-day equivalent of doing this would be to use artillery and bombings. That was just how warfare was fought in those days.

BTW, don't assume the Canninites wouldn't have done the same or worse. At least the virgins were saved.

>>590863

not him but

>when MY religion said its okay it was okay and not YOURS

does NOT fly with people and for good reason

>>590776

You keep mentioning ISIS, but it's well established that ISIS keeps a certain number of women as sex-slaves, making them largely guilty of sexual-immorality. As such, a better comparison can be made between ISIS and the Canaanites than the Israelites.

In response to your final sentiment made here >>590853 it is imperative to understand the position of the Christian on 'Christian Morality'; a man professes faith in God because he believes it to be true in the divine sense, that is, the existence of God the Trinity is an objective and absolute truth, regardless of the evidence perceived by the same man. Consequently, the word of God is taken as being true.

Faith in God justifies a man's upholding of the laws and testimonies of God, not visa versa. A man who does not earnestly try to stand by the word of God, is either of troubled faith, or of no faith at all, as is the case with many, so called 'cultural-Christians' presently.

I suppose from the responses you've made in this thread that you are an atheist of some kind, in which case your own morality is subjective according to your own beliefs. Would it not be the case that from your own perspective all actions with some attached 'moral-value' are in-fact totally subjective? Why then is it right or wrong to take a life? What is preventing you from taking up the mantle of self-destruction?

Surely, you can't appeal to what is right/wrong as these are not objective truths and cannot be proven to exist within the atheists universe.

Gid sometimes commanded that all the vivilians be killed even though it's usually not allowed. If you think that's to much then don't read Revelation.

Basically the whole society was infected with evil paganism. They had to kill the men to protect themselves. They didn't have prisons in these days. Now if they just killed the men, what do you suppose would happen to the women and children? This was in the days before feminism. Women didn't work, outside of doing housework. They would not have been able to survive in that harsh world anyway without a husband providing for them. They would have starved to death or maybe turned to cannibalism. So killing them was a mercy. What were the Israelites supposed to do with the boys? Adopt them? Raise their enemies children as their own like cucks? They had no incentive to do this. Was Moses supposed to somehow force the Israelites against their will to take on the extra cost of raising these boys? In an age where another mouth to feed could be the difference between life and death? If the boys were already infected by the evil of Midianite paganism they would spread that infection to Israel. I think the Israelites probably did marry the young girls they kept alive as concubines. Although I don't think they would have consummated the marriages until the girls were older and developed. Or if they did I don't think God approved of it. Women in these days submitted to men so there was not the same danger of them spreading paganism as there was with the boys.

The whole situation is unpleasant but they did the best they could in the situation they were in. Just be glad the world is a less savage place nowadays.

>>591180

The difference is that Christianity is right and Islam is wrong - this gives us privileges, which aren't and shouldn't be available to other religions.

Christianity is right, Islam is wrong.

Part of the difference between the Qur'an and the Bible is that this is made clear it's a one off.

The Qur'an however, has it as a standing commandment to fight and convert the unbelieving.

Don't forget that ISIS are morally more similar to the Canaanites than the Hebrews.

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>>590799

>>591003

You can take a lesson also from Abraham, with the son of Hagar the Egyptian. Hagar wasn't the best of women, but the worst she could do was give Sarah a haughty look, and have attitude towards her. Both sexes were guilty of many wrong doings in the sight of God, and much the same with many 'parents' today they start bringing their children into their sin at an early age. I read a little while ago about two gays giving their adopted son pills in order to 'make him a girl', and I believe similar practices were held back then, and most likely taught mostly to the men and boys of the time?