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Tell her to stop LARPing, and that she is just the 38457348th hedonistic atheist hippie, who talks about things she doesn't understand and has daddy issues because their poor parents tried to do something for her, attempting to rebel against her parents.

>>590615

I told her that it just sounds like she never came out of her "edgy teenage phase", but she then told me that I "don't understand" what she "went through" and that is was "traumatizing."

>>590617

>going to church and praying are traumatizing

Unless there's something she's not saying I'm pretty sure all you can do at this point is to pray to God because she's pretty far off her rocker

>>590618

Well, she told me pretty much everything I think. She said her mom and dad are very Catholic, that she was "forced" to go to church at an early age until she stopped going on her own when she became a teenager. She said that the "worst part" was being made to go to confession and being "judged" for sins she "didn't commit." She also said she was "forced" to pray at least once a day. According to her, she was "oppressed." I've actually met her parents though and her younger siblings and they all seem fine, so I don't think there is anything else going on. Nothing really seemed out of the ordinary, all it looks like is her parents trying to raise her in the faith.

>>590622

At that point I would tell her that I wish my parents had worried that much about raising me in Christian virtue.

She is just a disgusting, hedonistic person who shivers at the idea of sin, which is wh admiting she did something wrong is "the worst thing ever". And she is an atheist, there is no doubt about that. The pagan nonsense is rebelious LARPing

>>590627

Don't you have a roommate to murder or some churches to burn?

>>590625

I did tell her that I wish I was born into such a devout family (I converted to Christianity some years ago), and that even if her experience was bad, it doesn't undermine the truth of Christianity, to which she responded, "You don't understand! You're just brainwashed now!" I said, "Go to Saudi Arabia and then talk to me." She said, "Oooooh wow, how clever of you to bring that up!" and she got really mad and made no intelligent response. Things did get a bit heated for a moment but we cooled down. After that I said, "You don't seem like a genuine truth seeker, you're just basing your entire system off of anecdotal things" to which she said, "Truth flows my way." Then I said, "So there is no truth?" She said, "Yeah, correct." And I said, "Well, that is a logically inconsistent statement because didn't you just declare a truth?" And she said, "UGH! I'M NOT BEING LITERAL!" I got a dictionary and said, "The definition of truth from the dictionary is: based in reality, fact." She got really mad and said I am not seeing things her way and was being "stubborn." I told her that she doesn't know what truth is and that she was speaking of something entirely different. A few hours later she called me crying that she was sorry that things got so heated but that she believes what she believes because religion "hurt her" and that she doesn't care what anyone says, she will always be Pagan… So yeah, that is as far as we got…

>>590627

>the skeleton of the west is fat wiccan whores

Wtf I love Islam now

>>590635

That's not even slightly aggravating. Maybe you should see a priest to exorcise the demon of butthurt that has taken possession of you.

>>590633

Your mistake was admiting someone wronged her. That is not the case, she is jusst an ungrateful materialistic harpy. "hurt her" means "told me I can't be a prostitute"

>>590637

I never admitted someone wronged her because I don't think anyone did. I was just saying hypothetically even if that was the case it still doesn't make Christianity false.

>>590640

Not really, but since we're told to be charitable have a (you)

>>590646

So this is the strength of the Great Heathen army…huh…

>>590646

You're entitled to your opinion on the JQ. But don't let the mods policy give you a negative view of Christianity.

Want to make a difference? Every day pray "Lord Jesus, please save the white race". That one prayer will do far, far more than any Viking larp.

>>590660

This is a lie. Hitler only liked Christianity when it benefited him.

"Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity. Bolshevism practises a lie of the same nature, when it claims to bring liberty to men, whereas in reality it seeks only to enslave them. In the ancient world, the relations between men and gods were founded on an instinctive respect. It was a world enlightened by the idea of tolerance. Christianity was the first creed in the world to exterminate its adversaries in the name of love. Its key-note is intolerance. Without Christianity, we should not have had Islam. The Roman Empire, under Germanic influence, would have developed in the direction of world-domination, and humanity would not have extinguished fifteen centuries of civilisation at a single stroke. Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things. The result of the collapse of the Roman Empire was a night that lasted for centuries." These are his actual thoughts.

>>590661

That's from Table Talk (Tischgespräche im Führerhauptquartier). It's a German concept of dinner table conversation supposedly written down afterwards. It's not even a direct source and you're trusting people trying to recreate conversations assuming they don't have agendas and aren't being dishonest. I don't trust Table Talk works - not even Luther's.

>by Heinrich Heim, Henry Picker, and Martin Bormann

No thanks. I wouldn't trust Bormann. Albert Speer, perhaps.

>>590663

Hitler put ethno-statism into some form of coherent civic practice where the state functioned according to a future vision. A praxis. Muh Vikings didn't even provide a blueprint for governance. Hitler had great respect for Jesus as Fighter. A figure he referred to more than once.

>>590627

*slurps*

>>590680

>The cleansing of the Temple narrative tells of Jesus expelling the merchants and the money changers from the Temple, and occurs in all four canonical gospels of the New Testament.

Jesus was always calling out the Jews on their nonsense. Right to their face.

>>590679

The "Code of Nine" isn't anywhere close to the complexity required to run the Civil Service under National Socialism, or the judicial system or the State itself.

>>590689

We are not Jews and do not follow their customs. We follow the teachings of Jesus Christ. The most ethical, honest and truest entity (as true God and true Man) that ever walked this earth. The Ten Commandments came from God himself and not the Jews.

>>590615

Aren't you just LARPing as a priest then? Religion is all LARPing to the outside perspective as none of us truly know what lies beyond the scope of life. That's why religions we're even made, to try and answer questions we just dont know.

>>590613

Tell me, devout, what so you personally believe in and why? What makes you think this way? The hereafter is undefined as we humans give it definition that fits cozily into our young perspectives. If you truly choose to wish to believe an ultimate god of love and forgiveness exists then this individual of your concern will be embraced by this God so long as they live a good life. If it is not the case, why adhere to this belief? Surely, if there is any being that pays attention to us it is from the perspective of an owner and his terrarium. An observer and nothing more that would provide nourishment if the enclosure began to fail.

Also, a good number of the Christian holidays included appropriated rituals from the heathen religions as a method to convert more folk. If that's the case, and these rituals have been embraced by Christians, what wrong is she doing in the eyes of the Lord? Celebrating an out dated version of Christmas and Easter?

>>590613

>Wicca

its just LARPing

besides even real paganism practiced by rural communities reviving previously oppressed and forgotten traditions isnt that bad

not like the HIV* pedometh faggots enjec ting babies with syringes filled with pozzed semen and meth who espouse realistic satanism

hard to compare those fucked up tortured souls and monsters with LaVeyin satanists and their like who are edgy pseudo-christian hippies and vegans

>>590712

Funny how you'll call every other religious ritual 'larping' but a thing like communion is serious business.

>>590713

Wicca is LARPing

it was made up by a former Anglican guy in the late 19th century

guy dreamed a bunch of nonsense about fairies and magic and had a small cult with his wife and friends

eventually they spread their ideology to edgy and homosexually experimental teens

it has no basis in cultural, anthropological or historical fact

noone doubts that to the Ancient Greeks they worshiped gods named Zeus, Apollo or Athena with clearly defined rituals and practices spanning millennia

Wiccan Horned One and 'The Triple Goddess" are fairy tales, made up the founder of Wicca like how Elrond Hubbard made up the Aliens of Xenu

>>590716

You think just because it was "made up" that matters in the large scope of things?

No. Why? Because people devoted energy to it. Just that alone has causation. Obnoxious and watered down as it is towards proper learning. It's not even a good stepping stone, but it's an easy-to-swallow concept.

Most folk would shit themselves if they experienced actual pagan ritual, especially those of the Northmen or Celts. Even modern Demonolatry appears to have fallen prey to such "accommodations".

Point being, you can always set a table for the prodigal then celebrate it's return.

>>590718

>Most folk would shit themselves if they experienced actual pagan ritual, especially those of the Northmen or Celts

not really

the original version of halloween is still pretty similar besides the threat of not giving food to the masked priests at your door was that the gods would ensure you and your family wouldnt survive the winter

>you can always set a table for the prodigal then celebrate it's return.

I dont know what your argument was

Wicca is LARPing

they either come to their senses eventually or it swallows their personality and they cease to exist as a person, becoming only a vehicle for the ideology to spread

ITT americans

*yawns*

>>590669

>>590668

I agree with Hitler on some aspects, such as the economy, government, and general well being, but he is still an evil person for killing a multitude of Christians, all in the name of race.

>>590613

If all truth is relative, the truth that truth is relative is also relative (it's self-defeating).

As for the worship of pagan deities: They are gods of nature. They are within this universe and not transcendant. This means two things. 1) They are subject to the study of the natural world (science) and thus should be observable and/or demonstrably there. 2) They are lesser gods, not all good or all powerful, and don't deserve worship. Using Norse Paganism as an example, people worshipped the gods and wights, but there was always the force of Wyrd (destiny) that was greater and more powerful, often deified, but no one worshipped that.

Honestly, live a happy, Christian life and be an example that pulls your friend out of the dregs of paganism.

>>590613

I was in that boat back in time. It's actually better than atheism because they don't deny their spiritual component.

I think the best approach is to rebuke her with facts when talking about other religions. Stay close and pray for her.

>>590724

No.

http://www.dolmengrove.co.uk/

>>590732

So after a million instances of jewish lies, deception and character assassination, you refuse to believe that someone who exposed the jews has been slandered beyond imagination and turned into a cartoonish charicature. That huge murder of christians just isn't there and madness about race. Not in recorded speeches, nor in how Germany was. It is only in the kosher books and the minds of people who have bindly swallowed the smear campaign. This is not the first time it happens. Jews tried to turn Crhist into an evil sorcerer who burns in excrement in Hell. Mary into an adulteress and prostitute. Anyone who dares to name them is quickly made an example of. Go watch some of his recorded speeches, and you will see endless condemnation of the lying press and the lying jews, which is exactly what we experience today. Praise of Christianity, too. He was a normal man who exposed people who ahve become untouchable.

Trump is the new Hitler, and in the future, the degenerates will say about the new new Hitler will say "you are worse than Trump!" to which people will answer "I'm not a Trump-sympatizer!"

>>590613

take her away from wicca and druid paganism.

hinduism and buddhism is the easiest to work from.

Lots of hinduists and buddhists were curious about the coming of the messiah. because their religions didn't feel false, but incomplete.

If said pagan friend is only interested in hinduism and buddhism, it will become much easier. Try to get that stage first before converting.

>>590630

bro, I hope you read the rest of Hebrews, because the author's point doesn't end there.

>>590740

Pretty much this. Hitler truly did nothing wrong.

>>590613

If you’re friend thinks she is contacting the dead she’s quite mistaken and is actually contacting demons who will certainly try to keep her away from the faith. I wish I had advice other than pray. Maybe try to get her to summon angels at least.

>>590854

>Maybe try to get her to summon angels at least.

are you american? mexican?

what hubris

>>590857

I know they’re not required by any means to entertain us mortals but trying is better than willingly conversing with the servants of Satan.

>>590740

>You know what, those polish priests deserved to die!

Hitlerism is a disease of the head

>>590861

>those polish priests deserved to die!

>implying they did

>>590857

TOn one hand you have these stories from "holocaust survivors" that make no sense, typical from Hollywood, created by jews, form the side that has no problem nuking two cities and then crying about le evil hitler, the human soap, masturbation machines, etc.

On the other hand, you have the actual recorded speeches.

I wonder how much the jews must laugh at the goyim throwing themselves throwing at each other's throats. They only have to say "don't you remember the 999 gorillion polish priests???" and you will obey every command. I guess now you will show us some sob story, or statement from popes who lived in their cozy headquarters.

>>590895

Slander is a huge sin, anon, specially when it is jewish slander. As I said, you could as well tell me a I'm a monster because I don't cry thinking about how the nazis ate babies aalive, the masturbation machines, the blades chambers, the oven rollercoasters, the gas chambers, or this sudden, cartoon-like nonsensical paganism and occultism that is in no recorded speech, but we must all believe because rabbi shekelstein says so in his book "Remember the 6 gorillion, goy".

This is, by the way, normal spacing between two paragraphs.

>>590661

The table talks were "translated" into French by a Jew. And then they we translated into English using the Jewed French version.

>>590622

What did she mean by "didn't commit"?

>>590613

point out that saying that truth is relative is claiming an absolute truth that truth is relative.

>>590740

>Trump is the new Hitler

Oh man I wish

>>590639

Pretty much this. Rebellion against the King of Heaven will not be tolerated. /pol/ will bend the knee to the Nazarene at the end of time, whether they like it or not. They can whine about their tree all they want, but it will do no good. The 14 words depend utterly on fealty to Christ. Under the Cross, Whites created works of art and culture of a quality that had never before or since been seen on Earth. We conquered the entire planet in his name. What has abandoning Him gotten us besides the tyranny of the Jews who reject Him so vehemently? Before Christ came, our race moved forward due to righteous men who sought after the truth, but now that the Truth has incarnated in the flesh, we have no excuse not to follow him. Without Him, who is the physical embodiment of the Truth itself, our race will only regress until it is completely extinct. There is no salvation, not for any man or any race, except Christ.

>>590668

>Table talks is a book filled with made up quotes.

Not if you confirm the quote with his memoirs.

>>592002

It's not even worth dealing with /pol/tard Hitler-worshippers, look at this amazing logic:

>Judaism hates Christianity with every fibre of its being and tries to subvert however they can from infiltrating Christianity to promote Zionism and similar self-destructive beliefs to promoting degeneracy and engineering secularism and apostasy to complete pozz Western civilisation and exert control over it

>The (((holohoax))) is a massive Jewish lie perpetrated to gain near infinite political leverage over the West from the creation of (((Israel))) to German reparations to brainwashing schoolchildren into thinking Jews are the world's biggest victims and particular Germans into a culture of shame to weaponising (((anti-semitism))) and (((holocaust denial))) to silence, slander and even prosecute their enemies

<"H-H-Hitler was a good Christian boy, i-it's all a J-Jewish beat up!"

The idea that the Jews rewrote history to make Hitler look like a fedora is on par with "the holocaust never happened but I wish it did" level shit. If the Nazi movement was seriously at its core Christian you can bet your bottom dollar that Christians would never hear the end of it.

>>592066

>The idea that the Jews rewrote history to make Hitler look like a fedora is on par with "the holocaust never happened but I wish it did" level shit.

How did you get that from the video i posted, the video says Hitler wasn't really that into religion despite displaying support of it. The reason i posted the video was to show how table talks can be valid. Also the video never goes into the holocaust.

>If the Nazi movement was seriously at its core Christian you can bet your bottom dollar that Christians would never hear the end of it.

It shouldn't matter what certain people say about Christianity, we already never hear the end of it from all it's opposing sides, both left and right. Clearly denying criticism isn't good, but as long as it's true to God, that is what matters. There are "woke" blacks who say that the bible is racist because it supports slavery and the bible was "used" during Jim Crow law times.

>(((holohaox)))

Whatever the reason, there are a lot of holes around it.

>>592088 (lol)

I wasn't disputing what you posted at all, my point was that dealing with hardcore 1488ers is a waste of time with all the mental gymnastics the have to perform to justify their ideas. Hitler was like most contemporary American politicians as that video points out: half-hearted lip service for public approval but privately the rejection of and even contempt for Christ's teachings.

I agree that it doesn't matter whatever slander is thrown at us– we're public enemy number one as far as the media is concerned– I just don't believe anybody could meaningfully link any real Christian denomination to Nazism.

The idea that practically no Jews whatever died under Hitler is probably the most absurd position you could take but the fact that the figures jumped by at least tenfold from my memory from after the war up to the 60s is a huge warning sign that the official account that in many countries is criminal to challenge is fabricated in part.

>>590613

>I have a Pagan friend who is really into new age stuff and Wicca and Druid Paganism

Try to hide her copy of Skyrim, and the paganism should die down in a little while.

>>592105

>I wasn't disputing what you posted at all, my point was that dealing with hardcore 1488ers is a waste of time with all the mental gymnastics the have to perform to justify their ideas.

They're confident even when mistakes are made because modern statistical data re-enforces what they generally believe, the problem is this is often one sided.

>we're public enemy number one as far as the media is concerned

I wouldn't say public enemy, not yet at least. In the same way that Hitler used to pretend to be supportive of Christians to appeal to the public, the same is sort of true today. Christians are still that target audience for when politicians want to tap into, even in the state we're in right now.

> I just don't believe anybody could meaningfully link any real Christian denomination to Nazism

I kind of disagree, It depends on who's definition of Nazism you're taking, the bible supports closed borders and obeying the government. The bible says to love your neighbor but this is still possible with racial realism. Understanding the biology between men and women doesn't mean you can't have compassion for either. It is difficult though when you understand how weaponize they have become.

>The idea that practically no Jews whatever died under Hitler is probably the most absurd position you could take

>but the fact that the figures jumped by at least tenfold from my memory from after the war up to the 60s is a huge warning sign that the official account that in many countries is criminal to challenge is fabricated in part.

I agree.

She is uninformed. If you are willing to invest in reading, you may be able to point her to truth. I suggest starting with reasons.org and rzim.org. They have excellent books and website with much information that could change her perspective.

Talk to her about Jesus. Forget the organizations for a while, forget abstract debates about truth, forget everything she LARPs as, and just tell her His story.

You don't win situations like this by examining the arguments they make to you and figuring out how they're flawed (especially since we're talking about a woman here), you come at them from a different angle so you can redirect to what's important. Also, I think it's a bit of a problem that I ctrl-F "Jesus" in this thread and the only hits I get are the Hitler derail ("Christ" doesn't do much better, though it's cluttered up by the use of "Christianity" and "Christian".) It suggests that you're not thinking about this right in the first place. Being charitable, I'll say that this is probably because you've forgotten what it was like to be introduced to serious Christianity and how important it is to hear about the most basic stuff that a regular here has already internalized.

You cant. These people dont actually believe in what they say, so no amount of convincing is going to change their behaviour. They just do it because they like it; they are in the strictest sense, reprobate