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What is your country?

>>588558

colombia

>>588550

Why Orthodoxy?

>>588561

This may help you.

http://sacroarzobispadoortodoxo.blogspot.com/2011/10/iglesia-ortodoxa-griega-en-colombia.html

I don't know where in Colombia you're from but I'd get in contact with the priest, tell him you're interested in converting, and see if he knows of any churches near you.

>>588550

Begom Brodesdand

email a priest who speaks your language they will help you

good question. Not My situation, but I'm wondering what a Catholic would do in the same one.

Semi-related, how do Catholics generally feel about the Orthodoxy?

>>588573

will do, thanks anon. although both parishes listed on the site are like 12 hours away

>>588568

i am trying to decide whether the RCC or EOC has the most orthodox theology

>>588582

they don't know what orthodoxy is lol. most hispanics aren't pracicing catholics -most are just cultural catholics or are just generally hedonistic/act like americans.

>>588596

what's wrong with orthodoxy? don't bother replying if protestant

>>588592

I didn't mean Hispanics specifically, just Catholics in general. How triggered is your average, reasonably educated Papist by the Schism? Obviously less so than the protestant bullshit but that goes without saying.

I'm asking as an Orthodoxer who is relatively uneducated on religious matters

>>588617

I don't know, I know people hate Catholics other than that I don't know much

>>588605

Gee I don't know how about being so divided that they can't even gather for a council for one

If there turns out to be no churches nearby, then pray at home. Get an orthodox calendar and try to come to Liturgy on important feast days.

>>588632

>>588582

>>588617

Catholics generally have a very positive view of Orthodoxy, actually with some very specific regulations an Orthodox Christian can receive Communion at a Catholic Mass, but the Orthodox don't offer that to Catholics. The focus on liturgy and Church tradition, apostolic succession, and so on helps bring the two far closer to each other than Protestants are to either. For however triggered a strong feeling Catholic is about the Schism they're probably 10x more triggered about Protestant reformation or things going on within their own Church. Honestly the only way I could see you getting a strong reaction out of a Catholic in real life is if you converted to Orthodoxy from Catholicism,

>>592538

>Catholics generally have a very positive view of Orthodox

Kinda sad, since the Orthodox hate us. I am learning to despise them no problem.

>>592588

>Compared that to Eastern Orthodoxy which hasn't had a single schism after the big one.

I love Orthodoxy but that just isn't true. There was a schism in 17th-century Russia which created the sect known as the 'Old Believers.'

>>592590

>Kinda sad, since the Orthodox hate us

No. Its more of a Russian thing.

>>592592

it wasn't a schism, just some heretics larping in the woods

there's always heretics everywhere

>>592596

>No. Its more of a Russian thing.

Or a Romania thing, or a Serbia thing, or a Greece thing, hmmm…

There's no love for Papists from any believing (Orthodox) Christian, trust me.

>>592597

That was literally a schism, and they are semi-recognized now.

>>592599

First of all, there should be love from us for even enemies, not to mention fellow Christians.

And assuming monopoly on what "believing CHristian" should act based on your prejudice, is a douch thing

And lastly, I and other Orthodox on this board as well are getting annoyed by your endless shitposts and posting that """icon""" that defies all canon of iconwriting (assuming you are one that posts all of them).

>>592599

Catholics seem to think that the only areas of dispute between the East and West are ecclesiology and a clause in the Creed while Orthodox maintain that Roman Catholicism is total apostasy. Sure there are ecumenist influences in the Church that will say otherwise but they have an obvious agenda.

Catholics will accuse me of memeing or being an Ortholarp, yet all of the central 20th century Orthodox theologians (Lossky, Staniloae, et al.) are all quite clear about this.

>>592606

which icon? I've seen an Steven Anderson and a Spurdo/Gondola icon here is that it?

>>592588

>Compared that to Eastern Orthodoxy which hasn't had a single schism after the big one.

Nice try, LARPer.

>>592590

I only meet Orthodox who hate Catholicism on 8chan. Strange, huh?

>>592596

Last time I checked, only Greeks and Serbs were autistic about Rome.

>>592597

You don't get to say "there has been no schism since then" then immediately redefine what "schism" means.

>>592599

>There's no love for Papists from any believing (Orthodox) Christian, trust me.

Nice try, LARPer.

>>592612

Catholics think Orthodoxy is apostasy too.

>>592599

I'm glad you are being upfront and not trying to be a "sneaky Hebrew" about all this.

>>592606

This chan is what made me hate the Orthodox people around me, all the Protestants and even most of my "fellow" Catholics. This place poisoned me with hatred…I come here just to harm myself.

As for that icon, those Ustaše were a disagrace; and it's not like Serbia and Bosnia fare any better: those three Countries hated one another so much they picked different religions.

>>592617

>I only meet Orthodox who hate Catholicism on 8chan. Strange, huh?

At least they are being honest; I have Orthodox friends in real life, yet the more I stay here the more I want to burn bridges and tell them to sod off. What a place, innit? Spreading the love of Christ to these levels…

>>592621

I didn't even state my own thoughts about Catholicism, why do you call me an ec*menist?

There exist other Orthodox perspectives on Catholicism than "they deserve nothing but hate" and "they're basically Orthodox."

And nice try, but I'm not an American.

>>592622

If the words of complete strangers, who may not even be truthful about the confession of faith they belong to, affect you more than your own acquaintances' words, you do you. But then you're better off not going on here anymore, or else you'll hate the whole world by the end of the year, and then you cannot be saved.

>>592625

Honestly, I'm just drunk and shouldn't be shitposting here. Forgive me.

>>592628

I came here hoping to find help, this place made the grave of my soul even shallower. There was potential for something better, and as usual we squandered it…I hate myself and others so much, it gives me a funny feeling down my guts.

And about being saved, I care less and less; I am a sinner, no matter how much I try I'll keep on sinning. Better have fun with this hatred boiling inside of me and lashing out at those who love me, like a foolish teenager.

>>592630

Kyrie eleison! God bless you.

It's dangerous to try to talk online without being sober, you should take a break, my friend.

Do not forget to confess your abuse of alcohol when you can.

>>592631

There are two thoughts that often come to us and that come from the devil. One is "I will not be saved." The other is "I will surely be saved."

In reality, what we must think is "I do not merit to be saved, but God is loving and merciful."

Frankly, I'm not a spiritual father, but I'd still suggest that you don't spend too much time on here. It's not a place very conductive to prayer. Myself, I come out of here with anger in my heart half of the time.

>>592635

We are like moths, crashing our fluffy hollow heads against the same false light over and over again…humans and especially myself fill me with sorrow, pity and a sense of utter disgust.

>>592636

Do you like icons?

>>592637

Only when in Catholic churches. Your art I care little to nothing.

>>592640

…and anyway 99% of the RCC is doomed to Hell anyway.

>>592640

Icons are inherently holy, because they represent that which is holy - the saints, the Theotokos, and most importantly, Christ our God.

Do you agree?

>>588550

I want to begome one too. But in my country (France) Orthodox churches seem mostly frequented by foreigners (Greeks, Russian, Romanian)… Since I'm kinda the introverted type, I'm afraid I'll won't fit in or stand out…

>>592636

Presumption is a false light too, indeed one of the worst.

>>592648

You shouldn't. Churches are on the last place where you should expect this. I am a bit autistic and had serious issues with socialization. But after I began attending the church (and eventually became…whatever you call the guys who help priest at the altar) helped me to overcome this issue. And no matter the country of origin.

Not to mention that at least what I've heard most of the Orthodox churchrs have services in native languages of the host country, and percentage of native converts increase rapidly in the churches.

Anywho, wish you luck

>>592648

I'm in France too, and seriously introverted.

Everybody's too focused on the liturgy to care about you, and those who aren't focused will simply spend most of the time outside to smoke anyway.

As for language… Most parishes I've gone to in France had the liturgy either in French or in a mix of French and Slavonic. There's only one example - I know of one parish that does the service entirely in Romanian, and the priest himself doesn't know a word of French (sadly, it didn't use to be like that).

>>592656

There's only one exception*

je suis fatigué

>>592642

rather than be friend with you I'd rather kill myself.

>>588605

there is no use arguing with him. this board is not a good place for catholics or orthodox to be anymore.

>>592659

Then let's not be friends. Let's be enemies, even.

Can you answer my question now? Are icons inherently holy?

>>588596

The guy in the video is Jewish.

>>592620

>This chan is what made me hate the Orthodox people around me

I pity the Papist laity around me, they don't know any better, the only ones I hate are the Papist clergy for they willfully pervert faith.

>>592635

>Myself, I come out of here with anger in my heart half of the time.

Read Proverbs.

I love this board safe for the Papist shills. I think without the Papist mods it would have 10 times the traffic.

>>592617

>LARPer.

>LARPer.

cool

>>592763

>I pity the Papist laity around me, they don't know any better, the only ones I hate are the Papist clergy for they willfully pervert faith.

There's always been a chasm between the high theology of the Roman Catholic theologian and the folk theology of the laity. In Orthodoxy, the high theology is the folk theology. This is part of the reason why a lot of Tradcats are in so much denial about the state of the Church. They think everything is fine just because the rot hasn't worked its way all the way down through the Magesterium just yet. I predict a massive exodus of Tradcats to Eastern Orthodoxy over the next couple of decades.

>>592590

Nah, we just have an issue with your organization structure and some other minor qualms. Part of the reason for this is because we talk on equal grounds of apostolic succession have a good number of amazing scholars.

Tbh, I hope one day we will mend the schism. No more Orthodox or Catholics, just one church like it should be. I think if we did that then we could focus on getting the most relative Protestants back. Baptists are basically lost because of our efforts to increase the literacy rate and copying books in monasteries.

>>592538

>>588582

>Catholics generally have a very positive view of Orthodoxy

Yeah, sure. Except we genocided each others multiple times last hundred years and they made commanders known for purging Catholics into saints.

>>592767

>This is part of the reason why a lot of Tradcats are in so much denial about the state of the Church

if it was up[ to me, I'd make such a massacre of priests, bishops and even laymen that Rome would drown ankle deep into blood by the end of the first hour. I am Catholic, but I hate most of my Church.

>>592661

They are a beautiful reminder of men and women who gave their lives for Christ (be it by having it taken away or spending it in His glory) or a memento of God's love, be it in the representation of Jesus's life or of His blessed mother. Holy as in themselves? Probably not, but they can be blessed and, in rare cases, God can work incredible things through them.

>>592786

>Tbh, I hope one day we will mend the schism.

All I wish is to be able to enter Heaven one day. But dreams never come true.

>>592837

>All I wish is to be able to enter Heaven one day.

not with this attitude you wont

>if it was up[ to me, I'd make such a massacre of priests, bishops and even laymen that Rome would drown ankle deep into blood by the end of the first hour. I am Catholic, but I hate most of my Church.

>>592837

>They are a beautiful reminder of men and women who gave their lives for Christ (be it by having it taken away or spending it in His glory) or a memento of God's love, be it in the representation of Jesus's life or of His blessed mother. Holy as in themselves? Probably not, but they can be blessed and, in rare cases, God can work incredible things through them.

You have no clue about icons - check out the second council of Nicaea and John Damascene's defense of sacred images. Icons are inherently holy because what they represent is holy (and even more so because of the deep theological meaning of the icon, which is a physical prayer also).

My point was - icons are inherently holy because they depict that which is holy. How much more holy is every human person, carrying the very image of the only Holy one, God?

An icon remains holy and precious even if it was dragged through the mud and burned in half, and in the same way, the human person remains holy and necessary to love even if the image of God within us has been sullied by the Fall.

>>592845

"I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. So then, because thou art luke-warm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit thee out of my mouth." Revelation 3:15-16

>>592865

I once was way better, then I tripped, fell and since there I am a mess. I hate myself for my fall, and I rather rot at the bottom of this frozen hole in my own feces than look at God…I'd fall over and over, what's the point? goes on the voice in my head. And at every fall, the grave of my soul becomes deeper, shallower, more and more grotesque.

>>592879

>I'd fall over and over, what's the point?

NEVER SUBMIT

DON'T LET THAT PISSHEAD SERPENT BREAK YOU

RISE AGAIN

>>592652

>>592656

Ok thanks a lot, I will try!

I found theses : https://www.eof.fr/eglise/eglise-orthodoxe-fran%C3%A7aise/historique-de-l-eglise-orthodoxe-fran%C3%A7aise/

http://www.eoc-coc.org/accueil/accueil/ Never heard of the Celtic orthodox Church to be honest..

http://www.eglise-orthodoxe.eu/orthodoxe_gaules_1.htm

Are they "Larper", or are they considered valid ?

Can I have a basic explanation on how the structure of Orthodoxy is as a whole ?

>>592879

The only thing that can cut you away from God is the suggestion of the demons. Doesn't matter if you're a cocaine addict, an active murderer, or just a serial masturbator. The light of salvation is always available, and God's yoke is easy and light.

>>592883

They're schismatics.

Just go to an Orthodox church (or check out their website if they have one) and ask who they commemorate during the liturgy, then look up if the patriarch is canonical or not.

https://www.pagesorthodoxes.net/ressources/lieux.htm

http://www.france-orthodoxe.net/fr/eglise/?p=pm

These haven't been updated recently, but they could still help you out.

>>592885

They're affiliated (it might a vague term but it my own, my English isn't that good. At least at writing it.) with

Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople

? So it's good then ?

>>592956

the* I even make typos

The term "Ecumenical" scare me a little bit

>>592958

Ecumenical Patriarchate != Ecumenical Movement.

the Patriarchate of Constantinople is the "first among equals"; Ecumenical in that title refers to the cooperation between the autocephalous jurisdictions within the Eastern Orthodox Church, not anything to do with schismatics.

>>588632

They can't gather for a council unless the Byzantine emperor assembles one.

>>592808

> Except we genocided each others multiple times last hundred years and they made commanders known for purging Catholics into saints

Catholics genocided orthodox and other non-catholics and then made those criminals into saints, no idea why you are trying to portray a false image of "both sides did it"

Not many people know but the guy who helped muslims siege Constantinopole with a huge cannon was a hungarian catholic and he did it out of his free will.

>>593086

<denigrating all of Catholicism based on one guy

>>593086

>b-but you did it too

No shit Sherlock, I mentioned both sides did it. Yours is a terrible response and in actuality my point exactly. That there's a lot of bad blood between groups and unacceptable saints. Just because Americans larping that everything is fine doesn't mean it is. There's no such thing as a reunion in the near future.

>>592879

There is only 1 (one) thing that will make your salvation impossible: rejection of salvation, aka blasphemy of the holy spirit.

dont give up

>>592883

>Never heard of the Celtic orthodox Church to be honest..

they are not Orthodox, they are Miaphysites, iirc

>>593095

i was talking about catholicism in general and just using the hungarian dude as example, dont latch into that strawman and claim its just one guy while ignoring crusades against non-catholics and other sinister stuff.

>>593179

>No shit Sherlock, I mentioned both sides did it. Yours is a terrible response and in actuality my point exactly

Once again you are trying to portray like orthodox side did it too which is false, can you name 3 times when orthodox had a crusade intent on wiping out all catholics?

>>592617

lmao its this guy shitposting again with fake ortho flag

>>588582

im a catholic and i am pro-catholic and pro-orthodox. i do not support rome though. also fuck protestants.

>>593270

also i should note that polacks, greeks, russians and italians were outnumbered by german assholes so we always stuck together. if orthodox hate catholics, i've never seen it.

>>592648

they don't care, you'll only stand out because "Wow, a foreigner knows about our religion?"

>>588577

Catholics in that event are instructed to go to an eastern or oriental parish for their church obligations. You can get permissions from the eastern bishop to receive confession and Eucharist as there are agreements in place. Catholics are allowed by the papal see to receive the sacraments in eastern parishes.

I recommend op go to a catholic parish for sacraments.

>>592617

>Catholics think Orthodoxy is apostasy too.

Not according to the catechism which states apostasy is total rejection of christianity. The Catholic view is that if someone is Eastern Orthodox because of rejection of Rome then they mortally sin through schism and are no longer Catholic. However I'm sure there are plenty of Eastern Laity who were brought up Eastern Orthodox and don't reject Rome or don't think about it thus do not commit the sin of schism and are still Catholic. The responsibility I think lies with their bishop.

>Im from a catholic country and I want to join the orthodox church because its super traditional and cool looking and cute russian girls

We get a million of you coming through. I doubt many stay.

>>592956

Ecumenical Patriarch is canonical, yes.

>>592958

>>593056 is wrong. He's termed "ecumenical" because back then, Constantinople had primacy over the Greek part of the Byzantine empire, aka the "oikumene."

>>593266

>lmao its this guy shitposting again with fake ortho flag

Are you mad? Angry? Preturbed?

>>594901

By "apostasy" I obviously meant "apostasy from Catholicism." Eastern Orthodox hold onto heresies (from a Catholic perspective).

If by "apostasy" we meant "apostasy from Christianity" all along, then I've never seen an Orthodox say that Catholics aren't Christians (except polemicists on, surprise surprise, 8chan).

I want to apologise for how much I cursed and spewed horrible words here… I still regards Orthodox as enemies, but indeed we must love our enemies. So, again, I’m sorry for my bad attitude before in this thread.