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>>588075

>Chris

Basically Idolatry

thanks for the info, keep us updated.

I assume you mean Eastern Europe when you say old world?

>>588075

This. And also, take this with a grain of salt because they are hearsays. But I have heard that our brothers and sisters in Christ who remain true to our Lord in Europe (read: non-pozzed church), they faith are as strong and unflinching in their times of duress and suffering. May our Lord keep them in His grace and guard them from the corruption of the enemy, as they are about to be neck deep in trouble in the near future as our enemy double down on their destruction.

What's with your atrocious formatting?

>>588102

I mean east Europe, Russia, Middle East and Asia

indeed…in Italy we'll be a minority soon. Christianity is dying, especially the Catholic faith from what I saw: we grew lazy and entitled, we rather believe "light Christianity with adulterants" to fit our lapsed styles of life rather than the true scarred and strong Christianity, which seems so demanding and yet gives so much more.

I truly wish death and despair over my people, always cussing and coursing taking His name in vain: maybe then, when sorrow and hardship strikes, they'd turn to God, even if just for fear of their puny mortal lives rather than the immortal treasure of their souls.

I want to flee Europe…

>>588103

Pray that Mother Mary intercedes on behalf of Europe's faithful

>>588146

Religious? yeah, most Italians still identify as Catholic, I used to believe that…then I realized how hollow my faith was, fell from grace for almost 10 years and now, after I've moved out of Italy, I'm starting to find Him again. Maybe I'm too negative (I tried my best to show people around my age how necessary faith and tradition is not only for a Nation but for the individual person and they spouted back with post-Communist indoctrination, I tried to join the Army and serve God and Country just to be left out because I had not enough "recommendations" to enter it) and there's still hope for the faith in Italy, but Italians are having so little children and we're being replaced by people who care nothing for the Christian faith and our traditions and culture (and I mean, I'm not against immigration: I just want limited "slots" and assimilation to ensure people here stay at least Italian in the way of living and thinking, but apparently such positions make me a "fascist"…); I come here to vent out my frustration, sorry…I got no friends and I am really tired of trying to salvage what little is left of "Italian identity" in me.

>>588153

the heck is wrong with me…sorry, I am drunk with rage lately, and bashing myself and my Country/people has become something of a bad habit. Italy is not lost, but I see too many young people leaving the faith because our clergy and ourselves have become soft and lack the desire to care for what we inherited from our forefathers; sure, there are a lot of flaws and bad things coming from the past, but also good values and traditions which flowed from the ancient world and were took and refined through Christian faith and hard work of very devout people in the past centuries. But like I wrote, Italians are being replaced and they lost their faith: many keep the external "coating" of faith, but deep inside there's a syncretistic vision of faith. I was in that place too, when I respected and admired the Orthodox Church (I only later found out how much they despise and hate us, and indeed we have but God here on Earth to help us) and even believed one can find a way to live in harmony with Muslim communities growing inside one's Nation.

What is going to happen I cannot tell, all I can hope is that one day God will send us a great pope and bring forth through him a revival of the true faith.

Until then, tho, I want to stay away from Italy: when I go back to it to see my family, my heart cracks a bit more…churches with only old folks in it, no children, immigrants filling our schools and playgrounds, more and more mosques. And I put the blame square on ourselves: we left those gaping holes, and these people did the only reasonable thing, they came and filled them. We have but ourselves to blame for all this.

Again, sorry for how I answered: may God teach me to stop hating with such violence the people I belong to.

>However, when faced with persecution or suffering, faith in Christ grows exponentially. While the West may be degenerate and sliding into decadence, the Old World will be the hope for Christianity.

There is a limit to growth, a kid will double in size in a year but that does not mean they will become a 16foot giant. - This is the statistical equivalent of your Indonesia example.

Mormons, Muslims and JWs experiance persecution (although the latter moreso) and have huge growth rates but seem to plateu quiet early on without immigration.

>I personally believe that when people become lax, lazy, and comfortable, they forget Christ

And do you think the East and South are not becoming more comfortable and lax? What makes you think they will not experiance the same thing the West did.

Im not saying this to be a killjoy but to help open your eyes to the serious and structural challenges that face the faith.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/china-christianity-religion-crackdown-megachurch-chinaaid-golden-lampstand-church-linfen-communist-a8156031.html?amp

They're going to need more than prayer at this rate.

Add India and Nigeria to the list:

>India

The rise of right-wing Hindu nationalism in India lies behind increasing attacks against Christians there.

>Nigeria

In the north of the country, Fulani herdsman are driving Christians from their farms, displacing, and killing hundreds, if not thousands. This is coupled with the IS linked Boko Haram threat in the same region

Pray for our brothers and sisters in Christ.

>>588069

Only nominally. Church attendance is abysmal, people aren't living according to Christian principals, etc. People identify as Christian, but in reality it's a whole another story because today the standard of what it takes to be qualified as a Christian is super low.

>inb4 you only have to believe

If you believe in something, you act according to your belief.

>>588157

Don't worry brother, I understand. We're all fed up with how our people can let go or fall to decadence. Most Lebanese are Christian but they're all diaspora. If they just came home, they'd make it Christian majority again, and far wealthier too. I pray Italy comes to its senses..

>>588244

< Church attendance

Do you think Europe had stellar church attendance the instant it became Christian? No, it took some time for Christ to truly become sealed in the hearts and lives of the people of Europe, and it may take time in Asia, but it will occur. If people just wanted to escape Islam or atheism, they could easily become Buddhists. But no, they chose Christ for a reason. China and Indonesia will become Christian eventually. I pray Iran does too for the sake of the Middle East. If Iran gains in Christianity, other nations could follow.

>>588230

Have any numbers for India? And Nigeria I know is 50% Christian, so I pray they can pull it off.

>>588179

No matter how much the communist tries to oppress them, they keep growing. Even if they banned all church, the numbers wouldn't stop. They'll still pray in their homes until the government is toppled or must comfort the tens of millions of angered faithful

>>588069

I want your numbers to be real. Pls be real.

>>588075

So that's why the Pope is ruining everything. Move over Trump we have a new chessmaster in town.

>>588318

Europe and America are supposedly Christian, but in reality they really aren't. That kind of nominal Christianity just looks good on paper, but is utterly useless in reality.

>>588364

>Directly linking to Huffington Post.

I'll just archive this for you brother. https://archive.fo/rRaax

real faith has survived roman rule, turk rule, commie rule… i worry about the christianity lite in the west

>>588450

It'll last regardless because it's a doctrine of survival and truth.

>>588318

During those times there were no television, movies, TV shows etc. Those things have a huge influence on modern society and modern thinking, the media is too strong nowadays and their ideology is never the same as Christ's, no, they're vile and they glorify all kinds of heresy trying to portray them as normal and, what's worse, people get brainwashed into this kind of thinking, they start to believe that this is the right way to live your life, by being a complete degenerate who supports murderer.

During the times where christianity was prevailing in Europe, the Pope and the Church had much more power and influence and they kept the population in the right track and society was not as degenerate as it is now.

>>588427

Church attendance in America is pretty high and people are really really religious there. Of course, the rise of Millennials to positions of power made a huge blow on that, but it's still quite huge. Trump was only elected because of religious people, those people that will never vote for Democrats while they're holding modernists and stupid agendas like abortion, gays rights, euthanasia etc.

>>588469

that's true. and to be honest, it isn't quite as bleak as people try to make it out to be. France and Spain for example, supposedly two very liberal european countries, still have a far higher church attendance than 'muh based conservative Russia'.

No matter how liberal and insane western countries' governments and most left-wing radicals get, there will always be people who are normal and moderate, and there will always be those of faith. So even if the 'moderately religious' who only go to Church on Christmas and pray when they buy a lottery ticket, drop in attendance and identity, it matters not, because the TRULY faithful will never lose their belief in Christ.

< As long as there are those that are truly faithful, it matters not what the other degenerates are doing.

>>588465

But that's just the West. If you look at Asia and Africa, they are vehemently anti-gay, conservative, etc. even in their media platforms. So when Christianity rises in Asia, it won't have to deal with the filth and decadence of the West because they already hate the ideologies of the modern West even before they become Christian. The Chinese are repulsed by western liberalism already, we don't have to worry about any liberal media there. Same with Persia. Even when Persia becomes more Christian, it won't suddenly allow the same kind of tolerance Europe does. Persia is still an ancient land and the people are who they are despite Islam or liberalism.

>>588450

> real faith

There you go. It doesn't matter how many 'lite' or 'moderate' Christians stray from the path. Jesus already told us that the path is narrow, and most will falter from it quite easily. What matters most is that those with real faith withstand the tests of time, and they have for over 2,000 years.

>>588427

Are you on crack? America is rabidly Christian, although their obsession with protestantism leaves much to be desired for. America is far more religious than Western Europe, but the people of Europe who ARE religious, are much more serious than their American counterparts.

Go to Spain, France, Italy, Greece especially. Despite be surrounded by liberalism, you'll find true faithful people, in small villages in the mountains or valleys, and they are immune to the filth of Satan due to their love of Christ.

>>588320

I know they have a native Christian population thanks to St. Thomas and other missionaries but I'm sure a quick Google search could give you better numbers than I could. They're still very much a minority.

Nigeria is 50/50 with a Christian south and Muslim north, same with the Central African Republic, Chad, Mali, Cameroon, and formerly the Sudans.

>>588069

>Iran

Wein maktoub enno lmasi7iyye bi Iran 3am byet3arrado lal2ettahad? Fi link Bro?

Also, Bashir 7ay fina

>>588322

see the example of Indonesia

>In 1941, there were 1.7 million Protestants and 600.000 Catholics in a population of 60 million. 3.8%

today: 16.5 million protestants, 7.5 million catholics in a population of 261 million. 9.1%

5 points in 80 years, that's not a lot. Meanwhile Christianity has been bfto in Turkey. And we will see Islam at 25% in some countries of europe in this century. I of course think that finally Islam will be defeated but better no delude ourselves.

>>588608

was for

>>588364

>>588069

>>588069

Do you have a source on Indonesia numbers?

>>588608

>Christianity has been btfo in Turkey

That was over a 100 years ago, and was not achieved through conversion. Since then, all of sub Saharan Africa has been converted to Christianity, and it's spreading all over the far East. The biggest Islamic nation in the world became 10% over a few decades, by conversion. Islam is only able to spread and grow through birth rates and immigration, but it can't convert people.

>>588069

> but the rate of conversion amongst Muslims to Christianity is exponential in Iran

i think this might also have to do with Iranians wanting to distance themselves from Arabs…bascailly what is the point of being Shi'ite if you're just gonna get hated on by Arabs, whose actions in turn piss everyone off and make people hate Islam

afaik Christianity is tolerated and probably fares better in Iran than in Saudi Arabia but conversion is strictly forbidden. You can't even try to convert Muslims to Zoroastrianism.

>>589710

Most likely phone posting.

>>589710

Reddit spacing.

The devs of that site have no idea how new lines work.

But its ok, because reddit posters stick out like the sore thumbs they are.