/christian/ - Christian Discussion and Fellowship

He doesn't force you, he didn't made this world at all I mean he made the energy all the energy but not life as humans are experiencing it now

His mission is to save the souls of those who trust him, not to save the world or his ruler satan

>>587182

> God allows anon to exist

> God does not allow anon to cease to exist (not without going to hell)

I feel like a prisoner against my will

>>587181

>My physical state prevents my soul from liberation

Be gone, gnostic!

>>587185

Not gnostic, just depressed. I've want to kms for years, but the thought of how much pain it would cause my family has always prevented me. I've consoled myself with the thought of an heroing at some point, and now I learn that I'll get sent to hell if I do.

>>587186

You might feel better if you have good relations with your church members. They might help you as well.

>>587188

So why doesn't God allow me to escape, then? He demands that i continue to exist in what YOU call a prison, for what? So that I can continue to be miserable and want to kms?

>>587181

>blaming God when you should be blaming your parents yet obeying the fourth commandment

Someone put on a pot of coffee.

>>587192

>He demands

He who? Satan is demanding your existence on earth, God uplifts our miserable existence of prisoners

If God would do things as satan does, he would burn everything down and kill his enemies including the demiurge

>>587193

your parents didn't create you or even know what sort of kid they were getting, they were merely conduits or mediums God used to structure you, parents don't choose their kids. anyway OP is right to put responsibility for his existence on God, but he shouldn't blame him as if it was a mistake or problem.

>>587194

See >>587195

Even from an Aristotelian point of view, God is the one who ultimately keeps me in existence, and I resent Him for that. Threatening me with hell if it becomes too much- seriously?

>>587197

God is the one that is keeping into existence even satan and the demiurge, if he didn't have mercy on his enemy he would be satan

He is not threatening you, he is warning you of the malevolent rulers that would like to torture you forever

>>587182

What the fuck?

>>587198

I want to hear from an Orthodox/Catholic, not whatever sect you are from.

>>587197

>, God is the one who ultimately keeps me in existence, and I resent Him for that

this mode of existence is only temporary, it's so short it's almost unreal, like a dream. All the problems you think you have will vanish into thin air very soon.

What follows after is reality everlasting, and that is what you should consider your "true form" and what you should prepare yourself for.

>hell is a threat

hell will be a hospital for your soul if you squander this life, I don't think it will be some pointless place of eternal pain, i think you can even have some sort of redemption while in hell tbh it's just going to be very strange and probably unpleasant, heaven and hell are on a spectrum imo

>>587200

You are called for God's work. Whatever emptiness, whatever meaninglessness there is in your life can and will be filled by letting him work through you, and the dryness of your soul attests to the necessity of that. I regret that I cannot put it more poetically and that you may not be able to see it, yet it is truly the Gospel. Bear the cross of this broken world faithfully and die to sin, and you will truly be born again to eternal life. Pray that God will grant you peace, and I will pray for you anon.

This life is a trial and a test. God put you on earth so that you may be tested, like an athlete who goes through an obstacle course and receives a great reward. You were made to be happy. Literally, the purpose of your existence is to be happy and to live forever.

However, there is diversity in the world, just as many colors in the rainbow come from the color white, and some souls have different dispositions than others. For whatever reason, your soul is disposed to live through a life like this, and although you might think you suffer now, your suffering in this world is to prepare you for great joy in the afterworld. Everyone has to suffer. Those who are happy and full of food today will probably perish in hellfire tomorrow.

You were meant to be happy, so bear your burden, as Christ bore His cross for your sake, and remember that we all have the same end, which is death for the earthly and eternal life for the believer.

>>587181

As he spake these words, many believed on him.

Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;

And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?

Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.

If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

>>587211

> hi welcome to existence, no you CANNOT leave, your uniform is over here

I don't like this game, anon.

>>587215

>I don't like this game, anon.

No one does, read Ecclesiastes to learn more. But we can leave through faith and patience, for what is a hundred or even a thousand years in comparison to the eternal life we are offered?

>>587215

Secret PRO TIPS on how to be happy:

1. stop jacking off

2. if you're fat, stop eating for 24 hours. if you're skinny, then eat healthy food.

3. go outside into the sun every day

4. take cold showers for 3 minutes

5. stop using internet

follow these tips and u will be HAPPY

>>587212

> you were made to be happy

> except you, seems like you were made to be unhappy

> gary ur gross X-D

I want off this ride. O wait, I can't. >>587216

So if nobody enjoys this "game"

a) why continue playing it

b) why force others to play it (kids etc)

Seriously, this is starting to sound like a bad joke, or a horrible prank, or an ingenious method of enslavi of people

>>587219

Do not bear false witness against me. No matter what cause you have, if you are hard of heart, you will never inherit the eternal life of peace that God made Adam and you for. I do not want to say this, because it may hurt you even more than you are, but you are to abandon the pride you have in your dismal view and need to hear it and accept it. Even if you don't want too, try, and as one who was in your position I promise you will be rewarded with what you seek.

>>587220

Now this is infuriating. So if I'm

understanding you, you're saying that not only does God

> force me to continue existing

> refuse to allow me to an hero

He wants me to THANK Him for the pleasure of being forced to be alive? What kind of sick joke is this?

> 'Oh thank you Lord, for allowing me to experience this misery, thank you!'

God is a tyrant

>>587223

Find purpose in your creator.

>>587223

If you view life as a curse then of course he who gives you that gift will be cursed too. God is a completely self sufficient being, the Absolute of Aristotle, he has no need for thanks or anything of us, and to say that God has needs, much less the needs of a tyrant, is simply illogical. Everything God does, all of creation, is for us.

>>587223

>>587219

>>587197

Job 34:10-12

Far be it from God, that he should do wickedness; and from the Almighty, that he should commit iniquity.

For the work of a man shall he render unto him, and cause every man to find according to his ways.

Yea, surely God will not do wickedly, neither will the Almighty pervert judgment.

>>587223

Your beliefs are a delusion. Just fix them. There's nothing permanent about such knee-jerk opinions, just like how there's nothing permanent in a child's disdain for broccoli. The fact is, you need to love life. Just fix it.

>>587229

Just fix it is not how suicidal depression works anon. I don't like to reprove you for giving advise, but I would be remiss not to give advise you on the basics of how to deal with mental illness.

>>587224

Yeah, or else He'll probably damn me to Hell, right? This isn't love, this is abuse.

>>587229

Lol, and here i thought the whole God giving free will was supposed to be about actually giving people a choice about what to do. Turns out theres only one right answer, and God will send you to hell for disagreeing. Nice. Real fucking nice.

>>587241

> find a way to learn to love

Yeah, no thanks, I've been disappointed enough.

It's called talk to a therapist not a priest. Religion isn't going to help you. I haven't seen a single person here suggest talking to a psychologist. You're dealing with depression. Whether it's because of something that was done to you or some medical condition there's something altering the chemistry of your brain. Talk to a doctor not 8chan.

>>587247

Good idea, doesn't work.

>>587247

Of course not, psychologists are just priests for atheists. Did you not know that?

>>587188

fuck off with your gn*stic garbage

>>587255

This, man. If they get you taking the right pills, (((they))) don't have to worry about the questions.

>>587247

> Psychologists: maybe you should talk to a priest

> Priest: maybe you should talk to a psychologist

This literally happened to me. Priest seemed confused about why someone wouldn't want to live, as if the thought had never occurred to him. All he told me was "thats not normal. You should enjoy being alive."

And the psychologists are a joke too. All three (or was it four?) of them told me basically the same thing

> yeah, I don't really have any answers for you, but suicide is bad mmmmmm'kay?

> but i don't want to be here. I don't want to play this game. I want out. Finito. Done. Wrap it up etc.

> Yeahhhhhh, lots of people feel like that. Maybe some more worksheets would help you feel better?

This is horseshit. I feel like kms just out of spite. And then they can all gasp and moan and wring their hands and pout about "how could this happen" and all the other stupid platitudes stupid people say when they come across something they don't understand. Fuck. Maybe i'll take some out with me, hey? Feels like i understand why people do it. The disgust towards life. The disgust towards this whole damn system. This whole stupid game that nobody wants to play but are forced into playing.

>>587264

I understand you. I'm going through a similar stage now (though to a far lesser degree) and i think it's just a part of growing up. You become disenchanted with the world and you fall into cynicism.

But neither you, nor i, nor anyone in this world knows the mind of God and what he has in store for us on this world. It's cheap, i know, but the phase will pass.

>>587186

Some people want to kill themselves for the exact opposite reason; to bring pain and sadness to relatives and family members.

I would presume that almost all man-made artifacts were constructed by people who had their own history of sadness and/or depression. This can be said for every form of media you watch, whether it may be comedy or horror. Those who'm already murdered themselves will have judgement day to say whether they regretted doing it or not.

BTW, you don't own your body or your soul. It is God's, and he decides what happens to both. An analogy would be to have my car self-destruct because it had depression. My car had a purpose and had no right to destroy itself because I owned it and it was bought at a price.

>>587297

To be fair it's some biblical bias, but it's of clear biblical inspiration

Satan being ruler of Earth I supose is inferred by some when Devil tempts Jesus in the Desert.

>>587303

No, it because "god of this world" and "prince of this world" meme, which merely means his influence on fallen world (via its rulers, mankind, for whom everything was made and have divine mandate by God himself, since genesis) by corrupting ideas and negative influence and temptation. It was never about rulership and domination, as gn*stics want to represent it, but about negative influence on mankind by sin.

>>587189

but just try not to follow the rules

and you are sent to hell for eternity.