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3d7fee No.586754

my friend got me to go to church again and made me interested in the faith but I was surprised to hear him say he thinks he's gonna go to hell…at first I thought he was joking but he keeps saying it and I think he means it.

I'm not sure what he did when he was younger, ive only known him for a few years but how do I convince him that he's probably not going to hell. From the outside he seems like a decent family guy

0e8224 No.586757

i don't think it is uncommon to think you are going to hell, most of us betray Christ all the time even if it is in private i did a few hours ago


f7733c No.586766

>>586754

If you really believe, probably you know with certainty that you deserve hell, and this is fair and just. Knowing this is essential for any "real Christian". I do not think there is another way of living than knowing this.

But we must not fall into discouragement because we have His sacrifice. And through Him, we will be cleansed.


3d7fee No.586770

>>586757

>>586766

what's the point of being christian if you think you're going to hell?


fc3f64 No.586771

>>586766

>probably you know with certainty that you deserve hell

I don't think anybody can tell but the Lord.


0e8224 No.586773

>>586770

i`m assuming you are new to the faith but being a Christians nominally isn't a ticket from hell. Jesus can pull us out but we have to rake his hand, Jesus had warned Judas that he would betray him but he let his guard down and so his love of money ended in his betrayal of Christ, this isn't something Judus or any of us ever intended to do.


3d7fee No.586776

>>586773

> but being a Christians nominally

i didn't say being a christian nominally…


f7733c No.586781

>>586770

Knowing that you deserve Hell it's different than actually going to it. This actually puts the Father and the Son in their place. As I say, I do not think there is another way to understand the faith.


0e8224 No.586782

>>586776

tbh non nominal Christians are more likely to think they are going to hell since they are more aware of their own sins. Many of the saints believed they will be the only person in hell. all i'm saying is the path is hard, unless of course you are pastor Anderson then you are already saved.


f7733c No.586783

>>586781

*

Also, that the sentence would be just.


3d7fee No.586785

>>586783

well then salvation is unjust and thus immoral

God's mercy has to be just itself and his justice merciful, you can't have unjust mercy


60f972 No.586790

>>586785

God's mercy is just because He made His wrath on Christ instead of us


f7733c No.586791

>>586785

Do you accuse God of injustice? After sending his Son to earth?

It must be a misunderstanding, I think so.


2ec139 No.586792

>>586754

This is dangerous as this leads towards blasphemy against the holy spirit and not having faith in Christ's sacrifice and apostasy and/or protestantism. Two people spring to mind who believed they could not be forgiven: Judas and Luther. Judas ending up hanging himself and probably is in hell and Luther denied the need to sin no more and created a new religion because of his scrupulousness and unwillingness to overcome his lust. Tell your friend that if he does not have faith in Christ's ability to forgive any sin then he is committing the one unforgivable sin. Yes we all have sinned and deserve death but the grace of God gives us hope for forgiveness which is the greatest virtue.

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60f972 No.586794

>>586792

No one will be forgiven so long as they rely on works of the law. The only way to be forgiven is to trust in Christ alone.


8c03dc No.586801

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>tfw OSAS so I don't have to worry about that


2ec139 No.586814

>>586794

Indeed


60f972 No.586816

>>586814

That means doing nothing to be saved


3d7fee No.586858

>>586791

>Do you accuse God of injustice?

no because I don't claim that all humans deserve hell as if that is the morally just default position, if I did then salvation would be unjust

>>586790

>God was angry so he took it out on his Son/Himself

No.


60f972 No.586877

>>586858

>The bible is wrong

No.


998d82 No.586880

>>586877

>My interpretation of the bible holds the same weight as the Bible

No.


60f972 No.586882

>>586880

>Yea, hath God said?


e864dc No.586884

>>586790

Except God judges everyone impartially. The reason a person goes into heaven is because they have been made worthy of it, not because God ignores that they are unworthy of it.


3d7fee No.586888

>>586877

your reading of the bible is flawed, go talk to a priest or someone learned

>>586884

this is right, that's why becoming christian/having faith makes you worthy of salvation.

if all believing christians 'deserve' hell then it would be unjust to save them from it


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60f972 No.586895

>>586884

>Except God judges everyone impartially

Right, so it doesn't matter if you've done more good works or not, only if you are counted as Christ.

>>586884

>The reason a person goes into heaven is because they have been made worthy of it

>>586888

>if all believing christians 'deserve' hell then it would be unjust to save them from it

Have you never read the bible or something? Read Romans, both of you

>>586888

>>586889

see >>586882


e864dc No.586898

>>586895

>Right, so it doesn't matter if you've done more good works or not,

Matthew 25:31-46 completely demolishes your entire argument.


3d7fee No.586905

>>586895

>Have you never read the bible or something? Read Romans, both of you

that's a letter to the romans, not "the christians"

do you know what justification implies?


60f972 No.586907

>>586905

>the Epistle to Titus is only for Titus, no Christian but Titus may use it

>>586898

here, lemme help you

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+1

enjoy


3d7fee No.586911

>>586907

>>the Epistle to Titus is only for Titus, no Christian but Titus may use it

romans is useful for all readers, but not in regards to the point we are discussing, which seems to have flown over your head


e864dc No.586922

>>586907

>Therefore you have no excuse, O man, whoever you are, when you judge another; for in passing judgment upon him you condemn yourself, because you, the judge, are doing the very same things. 2 We know that the judgment of God rightly falls upon those who do such things. 3 Do you suppose, O man, that when you judge those who do such things and yet do them yourself, you will escape the judgment of God? 4 Or do you presume upon the riches of his kindness and forbearance and patience? Do you not know that God’s kindness is meant to lead you to repentance? 5 But by your hard and impenitent heart you are storing up wrath for yourself on the day of wrath when God’s righteous judgment will be revealed. 6 For he will render to every man according to his works: 7 to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life; 8 but for those who are factious and do not obey the truth, but obey wickedness, there will be wrath and fury. 9 There will be tribulation and distress for every human being who does evil, the Jew first and also the Greek, 10 but glory and honor and peace for every one who does good, the Jew first and also the Greek. 11 For God shows no partiality.

12 All who have sinned without the law will also perish without the law, and all who have sinned under the law will be judged by the law. 13 For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the law who will be justified. 14 When Gentiles who have not the law do by nature what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that what the law requires is written on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness and their conflicting thoughts accuse or perhaps excuse them 16 on that day when, according to my gospel, God judges the secrets of men by Christ Jesus.

It would be more productive if you could form your argument rather than cite 16 chapters of Romans as your argument. I've cited 16 verses of Romans to illustrate my point. I think it is fairly straight forward.


f7733c No.586941

>>586922

I was going to post this. Is not as simple as "Hell by default". I will not judge my brothers. But God is perfect and only the perfect can please Him. After all, this is not the same God of the OT?

>>586858

I do not pretend to win over you, brother. God can see our hearts and see our faults. There is not a single righteous man, although men may call him good man. This is enough? From what I can see, no.

peace


e864dc No.586949

>>586941

>There is not a single righteous man,

By nature. By grace, the one who does good is righteous, just as He is righteous (1 John 3:7).


92ae93 No.586950

I don't know the exact situation with your friend, but the main thing is to not despair. God wants each of us to strive for righteousness and receive his salvation.

While it's important to be aware of your failings and weakness, it's sinful to give up on yourself and submit to those failings.

When you fall, you should show contrition, strengthen your resolve, and stand again.


164a2a No.586951

>>586790

>God's mercy is just because He made His wrath on Christ instead of us

Dear Lord, I hate "debt to satan" meme, but I couldn't Imagen to find theory worse then that until I read your post


ec2e3f No.586963

>>586816

Indeed. All we can do is accept God's grace and let him conform us to his will


8c44e3 No.586966

>>586951

>Dear Lord, I hate "debt to satan" meme, but I couldn't Imagen to find theory worse then that until I read your post

What on earth is the alternative reading to this that you apparently subscribe to? I've never come across it before, unless I have and the way you've put it a rods in this thread is too subtle for me to recognise


8c44e3 No.586969

>>586966

> put it a rods in

*put across

phoneposting


eb0abd No.586997

>>586963

>Indeed

Oh cool I'll go call up a few hookers and snort some coke, I'm saved anyway.


256847 No.586999

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ec2e3f No.587002

>>586997

That's potentially a mortal sin anon where you are rejecting God's grace and not allowing the gifts of faith and works to manifest through you. Better get to your confessor if you do


60f972 No.587003

>>587002

>That's potentially a mortal sin anon where you are rejecting God's grace and not allowing the gifts of faith and works to manifest through you

So much for doing nothing to be saved


ec2e3f No.587005

>>587003

All you do is accept God's grace and cooperate with it. All faith and works come from God not from man


60f972 No.587046

>>587005

>All you do is accept God's grace and cooperate with it

And that is something, which is why you'll receive no forgiveness so long as you try to be saved that way.


d5821f No.587279

>>587046

So you don't believe in free will?


2c79c7 No.587322

>>586754

Uhh, did he do something illegal?


43a72c No.587357

>>586790

…for 3 days.




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