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>>586437

turks

>>586446

>"On that occasion I said this: If a person is gay and seeks out the Lord and is willing, who am I to judge that person?" the pope says. "I was paraphrasing by heart the Catechism of the Catholic Church where it says that these people should be treated with delicacy and not be marginalized."

>=="I prefer that homosexuals come to confession, that they stay close to the Lord==, and that we pray all together," says Francis. "You can advise them to pray, show goodwill, show them the way, and accompany them along it."

https://www.ncronline.org/news/vatican/francis-explains-who-am-i-judge

>>586447

Accompany them along with it doesn't mean repent. Pope Francis seems to love being opaque.

"How do we Catholics, teach morality? You cannot teach it with precepts such as: “You can’t do that, you have to do that, have to, can’t, have to, can’t.” Morality is a consequence of the encounter with Jesus Christ".

https://cruxnow.com/vatican/2017/09/01/consulted-psychoanalyst-pope-francis-reveals-new-book/

😂

Pope Francis is leading people to hell.

>>586447

>I prefer that homosexuals come to confession, that they stay close to the Lord==, and that we pray all together

Wow, deliberately drawing Jude 4-8 types into his church

pretty sickening

>>586452

>How do we Catholics, teach morality? You cannot teach it with precepts such as: “You can’t do that, you have to do that, have to, can’t […]"

so disregard the catechism then? i don't get what he's saying here.

>>586452

>Accompany them along with it doesn't mean repent. Pope Francis seems to love being opaque.

He has already said that there is some definite "way" they must go and mentioned Confession in the very previous sentence. You have to intentionally try to find any interpretation other than the obvious one, because there isn't any. And Francis has condemned homosexual sins numerous times already.

>>586452

Again, if you've read anything by Francis other than carefully selected bits, you would see that he very clearly believes in objective morality, with objective rules and precepts. He seems to be speaking about the way morality is to be taught -

not merely as dry, arbitrary rules; the focus not on "rules", but on "dry, arbitrary".

>>586499

He teaches that morality cannot be taught with prohibitions. That would include homosexual sex. He has public friendship with practicing homosexuals.

Pope Francis is the most liberal pope in history. But some people will continue to defend him at all costs. What impresses me is how many Catholics actually acknowledge his failings. Respect to those Catholics.

>>586505

>He teaches that morality cannot be taught with prohibitions.

Again: "dry, arbitrary", which wouls be very clear if you regularly read what he says and writes, in context, and not just stop at few isolated bits.

>That would include homosexual sex.

And that is why he condemns it?

>>586509

"The most minor sins are the sins of the flesh," Pope Francis said, because the flesh is weak.

http://www.catholicnews.com/services/englishnews/2017/in-new-book-pope-upholds-traditional-marriage-need-to-help-sinners.cfm

He believes lustful, fleshy sins are minor. I'm not even sure if he has even expressly condemned sodomy.

>>586512

>The most minor sins are the sins of the flesh," Pope Francis said, because the flesh is weak

This is indeed weird, but he condemns them and points out their evil impact on society too often (including in the book this was taken from) for this to mean that they are not important. Perhaps he is referring to how addiction can greatly lessen the culpability, or how a lustful Christian usually hates the fact that he sins and so is much more willing to repent than one prone to other sins. Either way, the rest of the book this was takne from makes it certain that he was not speaking about them being unimportant.

Now I don't have time to give you some of his anti-lust quotes, but tomorrow I can post them.

https://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/articles/item/3636-a-new-year-preditction-vatican-will-greenlight-gay-unions-in-2018

I think it's going to happen tbh. There's a few Cardinals who support it and Francis hasn't corrected them.

>>586521

One tactic of Pope Francis is to say something traditional and then throw out something "weird". It's a common slippery slope strategy.

>>586522

No one could have predicted he would have moved this fast from 2013. One of his appointees has come out with pro contraception statements

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/new-academy-for-life-member-uses-amoris-to-say-some-circumstances-require-c

The St Gallen group had a lot of time to consider their strategy.

>>586527

PF promotes the most heretical priests he can find. I see Fr. James Martin spewing heresy on a daily basis on Twitter.

Pope Francis want to rewrite the Lord's prayer, so it can fit into his synergistic theology.

Pope Francis has done nothing wrong tbh.

>>586558

Nothing. I don't like or agree with his political statements, but whatever.

>>586452

>Accompany them along with it doesn't mean repent

Not all people who consider themselves "homosexual" actually practice homosexuality.

>>586554

without authentic freewill christianity, salvation and the fall are a joke and makes no sense

>>586468

In all honesty, he actually is.

He allowed for 'remarried' couples to taker communion.

He has made the seat sedevacant himself.

That said, not much has and will change for now.

>>586565

While I agree with free will because of Amos, a verse in Matthew, and Hebrews (essentially I think irresistible grace is incompatible with the bible), Calvinism is consistent once I realized that they believe that Adam had free will but lost it after the fall, so the only way to have the capability to independently do the will of God is by the grace of God.

>>586452

Unless you're an atheist moral relatavist then there is only one way and that is towards God and away from corruption so obviously repentance is implied here.

He's right about morality. It's pointless to try and tell people not to do things unless they understand why they can't do things and that can only be done through Christ. God conforms us to his will, we can't earn salvation by ourselves

>>586512

Well the church Fathers agree that lust is the least of the 7 deadly sins

>>586728

The Catholic Church teaches faith and good works. The Pope has said lust is minor, atheists can go to heaven, that teaching morality does not involve precepts of self-denial, and endorsed communion for the divorced and remarried. He has also publicly met with homosexuals who are not repentant along with a transgender couple. What other advice would Pope Francis give in confession and would it be sound?

>>586729

He says they are minor sins. In fact, as you say they are mortal sins. He doesn't say they are minor mortal sins.

>>586592

>look at picture

>>anime pic

>>borderline sede fag

>>reddit spacing

If it wasn't so pathetic, I would laugh. Most of the points in that picture are bullshit and you know it. Neither is Francis bad nor is he modernist or liberal. You're making that up, because you're obviously some kind of "muh TLM" retard. I tell you what, Pope Francis is one of the most radical Popes we had, ever. In representing what Christ stood for. Did Christ dine with the rich and pious ? No. He cared for the sinners, the outcasts, the degenerates. You might not like it, because you think Catholicism is some kind of cool club where you stroll around with a cool badge and show everyone how super traditional you are, but it isn't.

The accusations in that picture reek of pride and self-worship and that is worse than anything Francis might or might've not been pulling. He tries to make the Church a Church or the poor again. A Church that ultimately cares for the Gospel - the afflicted and the outcasts, the sinners and the wrongdoers. Because it is THEM that need us most. People say he's a modernist for stating things like not judging repentant homos and that he gave his blessing to a transfag couple. But know what ? That were acts of charity. Who are these people to give up these sinners for the sake of mental masturbation on theology ? Francis did not break any teaching, let alone Dogma, he did not committ heresy, which the pic is accusing him of, and he is not accepting of any degeneracy more or less than any other Pope before him.

Infact, he called transgenderism and lgbt-ideology a nuclear bomb for society.

So before you spout more shit, you might want to read the New Testament again and then see what Pope Francis does as a whole and don't just cherrypick shit out of context like some protestants love to do.

>>586735

It is not charity to bless sinners. It is charity to rebuke sinners.

>>586736

No, you're limiting the Gospel. Infact, you're limiting what Christ said, if you say it is only charity to correct the sinner. The Pope is very right when he says that it is senseless to correct sinners as long as they did not understand why their sin was bad. All of that doesn't mean that you shouldn't correct a sinner. But it means that you first and foremost ought to show him the way and why he is wrong, before you throw thunderstorms of accusations and borderline insults.

>>>As a virtue, charity is that habit or power which disposes us to love God above all creatures for Himself, and to love ourselves and our neighbors for the sake of God. When this power or habit is directly infused into the soul by God, the virtue is supernatural; when it is acquired through repeated personal acts, it is natural. If, in the last sentence but one, for the words, "power or habit which disposes us to" we substitute the words, "act by which we", the definition will fit the act of charity.

Blessing a transfag couple is an act of charity. Because they rejected God for once and only through the help of others and through grace can they recognize their ways as they are - sinful. If you forbid a blessing to the sinner, you damn him, because it is not very likely that he or she will see their errors by themselves. Matter of fact, only through God can we endure and recognize the sinful doings that we are committing, and ultimately repent.

Before you criticize the Pope and "muh ebin sinners", it might be a good idea that you start with yourself and reflect your own intentions and ways.

John 8:7

>>7 When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let anyone among you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.”

>>586446

I agree. Impure acts, effeminate men are not going to be part of the Kingdom.

We don't know the causes of homosexuality. If they live a celibate, virtuous life in faith, they will surely go to Heaven.

>>586738

Jesus was stopping an execution and said go and sin no more. Different to a transgender couple being blessed with no intention of stopping their sinful lifestyles.

The sinner is damned with or without a blessing. The sinner is only not damned when he is in a state of grace which means not committing sin and being repentant.

True charity means saving souls from hell, which means telling them to stop sinning clearly.

We should not play dice with souls. Eternal damnation is at stake. People must be taught to avoid sin ASAP.

The pope says not to teach precepts of "do not" and "do". How can you teach people to avoid sin without telling them not to do sin?

>>586735

Are you denying the Dubia?

>>586743

Teaching children that divorce and remarriage is acceptable is a greater harm to children by endangering their souls. Attenuated culpability sounds like an excuse to commit serious sin. Where is the heroic virtue? Catholics used to pride themselves on their ability to suffer for their faith.

>>586735

>Most of the points in that picture are bullshit and you know it.

Actually, no, I don't. Go into detail with it.

>Pope Francis is one of the most radical Popes we had, ever. In representing what Christ stood for.

>Layman strutting in and claiming the other popes we've had were wrong and the current pope is right

Sides lost.

>>586767

>Layman strutting in and claiming the other popes we've had were wrong and the current pope is right

Where did he do this?

>>586767

Stop putting words in my mouth. I did not say all other Popes were wrong, I said Francis is one of the most radical with regards to the Gospel. I know you don't like that and think it not be like it, but it do.

On charity, straight outta Catechism:

Entry 162

>>>Faith is an entirely free gift that God makes to man. We can lose this priceless gift, as St. Paul indicated to St. Timothy: "Wage the good warfare, holding faith and a good conscience. By rejecting conscience, certain persons have made shipwreck of their faith."44 To live, grow and persevere in the faith until the end we must nourish it with the word of God; we must beg the Lord to increase our faith;45 it must be "working through charity," abounding in hope, and rooted in the faith of the Church.46

Entry 361

>>>"This law of human solidarity and charity",228 without excluding the rich variety of persons, cultures and peoples, assures us that all men are truly brethren.

Entry 735

>>>He, then, gives us the "pledge" or "first fruits" of our inheritance: the very life of the Holy Trinity, which is to love as "God (has) loved us."127 This love (the "charity" of ⇒ 1 Cor 13) is the source of the new life in Christ, made possible because we have received "power" from the Holy Spirit.128

Entry 953

>>>Communion in charity. In the sanctorum communio, "None of us lives to himself, and none of us dies to himself."487 "If one member suffers, all suffer together; if one member is honored, all rejoice together. Now you are the body of Christ and individually members of it."488 "Charity does not insist on its own way."489 In this solidarity with all men, living or dead, which is founded on the communion of saints, the least of our acts done in charity redounds to the profit of all. Every sin harms this communion.

Entry 1070

>>>In the New Testament the word "liturgy" refers not only to the celebration of divine worship but also to the proclamation of the Gospel and to active charity.6 In all of these situations it is a question of the service of God and neighbor. […]

Entry 1109

>>>The epiclesis is also a prayer for the full effect of the assembly's communion with the mystery of Christ. "The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit"28 have to remain with us always and bear fruit beyond the Eucharistic celebration. the Church therefore asks the Father to send the Holy Spirit to make the lives of the faithful a living sacrifice to God by their piritual transformation into the image of Christ, by concern for the Church's unity, and by taking part in her mission through the witness and service of charity.

Entry 2447

>>>The works of mercy are charitable actions by which we come to the aid of our neighbor in his spiritual and bodily necessities.241 Instructing, advising, consoling, comforting are spiritual works of mercy, as are forgiving and bearing wrongs patiently. the corporal works of mercy consist especially in feeding the hungry, sheltering the homeless, clothing the naked, visiting the sick and imprisoned, and burying the dead.242 Among all these, giving alms to the poor is one of the chief witnesses to fraternal charity: it is also a work of justice pleasing to God:243 He who has two coats, let him share with him who has none and he who has food must do likewise.244 But give for alms those things which are within; and behold, everything is clean for you.245 If a brother or sister is ill-clad and in lack of daily food, and one of you says to them, "Go in peace, be warmed and filled," without giving them the things needed for the body, what does it profit?246

Entry 2459

>>>Man is himself the author, center, and goal of all economic and social life. the decisive point of the social question is that goods created by God for everyone should in fact reach everyone in accordance with justice and with the help of charity.

And so on and so forth. Charity is not just "correcting the sinner" with whatever measure you think is alright. Charity includes also comforting them, showing them the way by appropriate measure and so on and so forth. And most importantly does it mean that charity is not only for members of the Body. It is for everyone, because Christ died for everyone.

In the Fatima prayer we say "Oh my Jesus, forgive us our sins. Save us from the fires of hell. And lead all souls into Heaven, especially those most in need of Thy Mercy." It doesn't say "fuck all the non-Catholics". It's a bidding for each and every soul.

Furthermore regarding the statement of the Pope

>>586452

Great attempt at slander. Post the whole quote.

Regarding: When asked why people do not listen to this message even though it has been clearly condemned by the church since the time of the Gospels, the pope said it is because some people prefer to speak only about morality.

>>>Pope criticizes preachers who only condemn morality ‘under the belt’ “How do we Catholics, teach morality? You cannot teach it with precepts such as: ‘You can’t do that, you have to do that, have to, can’t, have to, can’t.’ Morality is a consequence of the encounter with Jesus Christ. It’s a consequence of faith, for us Catholics. And for others, morality is the consequence of an encounter with an ideal, or with God, or with oneself, but with the better part of oneself. Morality is always a consequence… there is a great danger for preachers, that of falling into mediocrity. Condemning only morality - forgive the expression - ‘under the belt.’ But no one talks of the other sins like hate, envy, pride, vanity, killing another, taking a life. Entering the mafia, making illegal agreements… ‘Are you a good Catholic? Then give me the check’.”

>>586747

The Dubia is pure insolence. Moreover, it is criticizing the Pope in a manner that is highly inappropriate - namely in public and for everyone to witness. In times where the Church takes blow after blow from heretics, satanists and simplpy unknowing people, this is the worst that could've happened.

It is furthermore a blatant misinterpretation and misrepresentation of Amoris Laetitia. If the Pope really f'ed up there and spread heresy and whatnot, don't you think more than 4 Cardinals out of the 216 would've raised their voices in some way ? But surprise surprise, they didn't.

Amoris Laetitia is very clear and the Pope is very clear regarding his explanations to it. A literal note in that letter is that in the media it was received faulty and therefore they were concerned. This is not a matter of Church or teaching. It is a matter of "mimimi" that could've been resolved with Instead of publicly throwing dirt on His Holiness, they could've made the effort and lay it out to the media in a digestible and understandable manner.

The Pope does very good in not answering to the Dubia, because there is nothing to answer.

>>586788

forgot: Regarding serving two masters (that is: God or money)

>>586778

>>586787

You realize that what you say has side implications, right? I can't say, for example, "Plato was a atheist" without implying other historians were wrong in his interpretation of Plato. You can't say, "This pope is right", without directly implying other Popes that didn't follow his example are wrong.

I'm still not sure how the claims at >>586592 are wrong.

>>586788

The whole quote doesn't change the part about teaching.

>>586795

The interpretation allowing communion for the divorced and remarried has been approved by Francis.

https://cruxnow.com/vatican/2017/12/05/popes-letter-argentine-bishops-amoris-laetitia-part-official-record/

More clerics are speaking out https://www.cnsnews.com/blog/michael-w-chapman/7th-bishop-signs-letter-challenging-pope-francis-communion-adulterers

>>586797

But the thing is, Francis isn't contradicting previous popes. It's calumny.

>>586808

"The most obvious example of a rupture with traditional teaching concerns Communion for the divorced and remarried. John Paul II, in the Apostolic Exhortation Familiaris Consortio (FC) issued in 1982, upheld the Church’s perennial practice of “not admitting to Eucharistic Communion divorced persons who have remarried,” unless they “take upon themselves the duty to live in complete continence.” Emphasizing the permanence of the discipline, the Pope insisted that it is “based on Sacred Scripture” (84). In 1994, after a number of bishops and theologians had put forward certain pastoral proposals, strikingly similar to those found in AL, allowing for exceptions to the discipline in specific cases, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith under the auspices of John Paul II intervened and reaffirmed the traditional discipline, which it called “the constant and universal practice” of the Church: “This practice, which is presented as binding, cannot be modified because of different situations” (5)".

https://onepeterfive.com/amoris-laetitia-john-paul-ii/

Pope Francis' approval of the Bueno Aires guidelines removes complete celibacy as being mandatory, and only requires it when it is "feasible".

>>586808

Okay so the other popes are less right. Got it.

Also, I'm seriously not going to repent for "false witness" or whatever shit you're throwing at me. I am making those posts because that's how I legitimately see the situation: You're being wishy washy just like Pope Francis so nobody can actually pin anything on you.

>>586813

>because that's how I legitimately see the situation

Exactly. How YOU see it. Not how it is. You're purposefully misinterpreting what I have said, because it seems to benefit some kind of "Francis is a heretic" you're having.

>>586806

Wrong.

>>586807

Great sources you have there. Read. The. Document. https://w2.vatican.va/content/francesco/en/apost_exhortations/documents/papa-francesco_esortazione-ap_20160319_amoris-laetitia.html

>>586821

>Exactly. How YOU see it.

>You're purposefully misinterpreting what I have said

Might as well just try to convince me that one plus three equals five.

Do you think I am saying things as I see it, or that I'm lying and not saying what I see? Its one or the other.

>>586763

See also this. All of you are interpreting interpretations. Read. The. Documents. Read the letters. Read the Catechism. Then you can come back and criticize the Pope. protip: There won't be anything to criticize that is not "muh taste" and "muh traditionalism" related.

>>586821

agenda*

>>586838

>(Unless they are murderers or rapists/pedos)

What, you have to be good enough to deserve grace now?

Francis rejects extra ecclesiam nulla salus

>>586903

He doesn't, at least in the traditional understanding in the term.

>>586903

Great source you got there

>>586468

Pope Francis is leading people to Hell. He is, because his words are poison and used to justify every single degeneracy on Earth.

Don't forget: for him, young people who like traditional mass are sick and need to "dig" to find their mental issues.

How disgusting this place has become, how terrible, how ruined.

>>586821

Here is the letter on the Vatican website.

http://m.vatican.va/content/francescomobile/es/letters/2016/documents/papa-francesco_20160905_regione-pastorale-buenos-aires.html

If that doesn't work, the Vatican acknowledged the fact below

http://en.radiovaticana.va/news/2016/09/12/pope_endorses_argentine_bishops_document_on_amoris_laetitia/1257635

>>586939

People have three options. Accept the pope is changing things and embrace it, accept the pope is changing things and reject it, or ignore the fact the pope is changing things. Most people fall into the first two categories, but on /Christian/ there is a group who fall into the last category. It's quite unusual.

>>586939

>for him, young people who like traditional mass are sick and need to "dig" to find their mental issues.

Source?

>>586522

>implying you can change a dogma of the church.

Google first lad.

>>586554

Shut up retard.

He wants to change the English translation faggot.

Its not the churchs fault that English is a piece of shit.

>>586954

Pope Francis: Young people who like the Latin Mass are rigid and need to "dig, dig" to find their underlying mental problem (insecurity, something else).

http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=29904

Pope Francis: Rigid people are sick.

http://en.radiovaticana.va/news/2016/10/24/pope_god_calls_us_to_be_merciful_and_good,_not_rigid_/1267391

More at http://popefrancisbookofinsults.blogspot.com

>>586946

You still didn't read Amoris Laetitia, we have nothing to talk about.

>>586964

And how do you know?

Every single word out of the pope's mouth can be interpreted however you want since it's not scripture. Have fun with that.

>>586962

He is talking about hypocrites who go full traditional but sometimes forget the main teachings of christ in their obsession with "rigidity".

Specially young people who think they're better because we wuz traditional and you're not.

Still I myself prefer TLM.

>>586962

>>>Pope Francis told Father Spadaro he wonders why some young people, who were not raised with the old Latin Mass, nevertheless prefer it. “And I ask myself: Why so much rigidity? Dig, dig, this rigidity always hides something, insecurity or even something else. Rigidity is defensive. True love is not rigid.”

>>>In many cases, the Pope continued, rigidity conceals the leading of a double life; but, he pointed out, there can also be something pathological. Commenting on the difficulties and suffering that afflict a person who is both rigid and sincere, the Pope said this is because they lack the freedom of God's children: “they do not know how to walk in the path indicated by God’s Law”.

“They appear good because they follow the Law; but they are concealing something else: either they are hypocritical or they are sick. And they suffer!” he said.

He precisely says that radtrads that never saw the OG TLM but prefer it - are militant about it - spouting shit (not that you did, but that is what we always hear): "TLM or bust", "NO is inferior to TLM, because TLM is more excellent [in which way ever]", "NO is litrugical abuse" etc. etc. have an underlying problem. Because people like that literally don't care about worshiping God, but aesthetics, personal taste and "muh traditionalism". I wrote in a post way above that Catholicism is not a label. You don't wear it to be cool and show everyone how traditional you are. You are Catholic, because it's the Truth. Because that is what God wants us to do and where he wants us to be. And can you imagine that "sickness" does not necessarily mean "mentally ill" ?

You borderline sedes are ridiculous. He doesn't state something 100% clear and media misquotes it: "OMFG POPE FRANCIS IS A FUCKING HERETIC", now he's very direct, you suddenly are like: "OMFG POPE FRANCIS JUST CALLED ME SICK AND ILL WTF HOW DARE HE BEING THAT DIRECT". Jokes on you brother.

>>586965

Because you still aren't addressing points of it, you're just throwing links and quotes and you literally don't know what he is talking about there.

>>586974

Do you think he should rather address people like that as "retarded radtrad fags" ? I'm sure that Christ Himself would have one or the other objection here.

>>586974

>>586977

*And what would that be ?

>>586973

Go to paragraph 305 of AL. Read footnote 351. There is a reference to giving the sacraments to those in irregular situations. The Buenos Aires guidelines interpreted AL to allow communion for the divorced and remarried without complete celibacy (only where feasible). Pope Francis endorsed that interpretation in a letter published on the Vatican website.

>>586962

As for the traditionalist rigidity, I so far found only that he said this before he became the Pope. I couldn't find the book with the context though.

As for rigidity, it's very clear what he is talking about - the pharisaical, prideful rigidity, as he explicitly explains.

>>586977

I'm sure Christ himself would have a objection to setting up a hundred different little derogatory terms and insults, and then object more if you said it was out of love.

Maybe if you weren't such a, wait let me see my little Bergoglio-book here.

Maybe if you weren't such a Pastry Shop Christian you'd be able to see the problem.

>>586979

It says there that he is talking about the ones that, through different mitigating circumstances, sinned venially or even purely materially. Since such people are in the state of grace, what's the problem?

>>586971

He is talking about young people who like the Latin Mass even though they haven't lived it before V2. That's it. That is being rigid and with mental problems. The rest, you have added as damage control out of nowhere.

It is YET ANOTHER attack towards tradition.

>>586979

But are you also aware of that this is talking about people that were in a civil marriage and those that married in error, i.e. marriages that were either not valid by Church law or such ones that are to be nullified, therefore invalid, too ?

Moreover does he not say "everyone can and has to receive it". He puts emphasis on the Sacraments of Confession and Atonement and that every priest shall decide about the Eucharist ex officio pastoralis in these special cases.

>>586984

No he's not talking about people that just "like" the extraordinary form of the mass. He is talking about people as described in >>586972.

It is YET ANOTHER attack towards the Pope that made an important remark.

>>586985

*Nowhere does it imply that people validly by Church law married and then divorced should receive the Eucharist.

>>586991

Yes he does. Seriously, pro Pope Francis people need to do some research before they post.

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/10/02/us/pope-gay-washington/index.html

>>586983

It is allowing an objectively sinful activity where no one is compelled to do said sin. Living in an adulterous relationship has always been deemed sinful, right back to the 10 commandments.

>>586985

They are living in adulterous relationships.

>>586989

Please read the Buenos Aires guidelines which the Pope approved. A google search can tell you the contents if you do not wish to read it. It is in Spanish, but there are plenty of summaries online, and you can read it through Google translate well enough. Link below translating the Vatican page.

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=en&tl=es&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fm.vatican.va%2Fcontent%2Ffrancescomobile%2Fes%2Fletters%2F2016%2Fdocuments%2Fpapa-francesco_20160905_regione-pastorale-buenos-aires.html&edit-text=

Here are some parts

Pope Francis letter -

El escrito es muy bueno y explícito cabalmente el sentido del capitulo VIII de Amoris laetitia . No hay otras interpretaciones.

The writing is very good and explicitly the meaning of chapter VIII of Amoris laetitia . There are no other interpretations.

The Guidelines

Ahora nos detendremos solo en el capítulo VIII, dado que hace referencia a "orientaciones del Obispo" ( 300 ) para discernir sobre el posible acceso a los sacramentos de algunos "divorciados en nueva unión" .

We will now stop only in chapter VIII, since it refers to "Bishop's orientations" ( 300 ) in order to discern about the possible access to the sacraments of some "divorced in a new union" .

5) Cuando las circunstancias concretas de una pareja lo hacen factible, especialmente cuando ambos son cristianos con un camino de fe, se puede proponer el empeño de vivir en continencia. Amoris laetitia no ignora las dificultades de esta opción (véase nota 329 ) y deja abierta la posibilidad de acceder al sacramento de la Reconciliación cuando se falle en ese propósito (véase nota 364 , según la enseñanza de san Juan Pablo II al Cardenal W Baum, del 22/03/1996).

5) When the concrete circumstances of a couple make it feasible, especially when both are Christians with a path of faith, the commitment to LIVE IN CONTINENCE can be proposed. Amoris laetitia does not ignore the difficulties of this option (see note 329 ) and leaves open the possibility of accessing the sacrament of Reconciliation WHEN THAT PURPOSE IS FAILED (see note 364 , according to the teaching of Saint John Paul II to Cardinal W Baum, of 03/22/1996).

>>586447

>The text reads further, “(The Turks) will be destroyed. They will be eradicated because they are a nation that was built without God’s blessing. One third of the Turks will go back to where they came from, the depths of Turkey. One third will be saved because they will become Christians, and the other third will be killed in this war.” This is based on the Saint Kosmas prophecy.

I'd like to see the mental gymnastics Francis lovers will go through to defend this:

http://www.lepantoinstitute.org/pope-francis/pope-francis-awards-architect-safe-abortion-fund-pontifical-honor/

or this:

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/vatican-announces-stamp-of-martin-luther-on-500th-anniversary-of-reformatio

or the video. If the mods ban me for this than everyone should leave this board because they're just going to turn it into reddit.

>>588011

Forgot to include the one where he calls an abortionist a great person.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/abortionist-praised-by-pope-speaks-at-catholic-church-pro-life-protesters-k

>>588013

https://onepeterfive.com/pope-francis-awards-architect-safe-abortion-fund-pontifical-honor/

whyyyy