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Deo Gratias!

With Respect, though, you actually have to have a bit more doctrinal conviction than that. You have to believe that it's the True Church, not because it's less bad than what you have now.

>What do I need to do to get ready for mass?

A proper spiritual comportment, for a start. From now on you will be in the physical presence of the Lord. Never forget that. The dress is less important than the attitude.

In the meantime try this:

http://www.vatican.va/archive/compendium_ccc/documents/archive_2005_compendium-ccc_en.html

It's the official compendial version of the larger CCC but hits all of the points of doctrine nonetheless, which you can probably get through in under a week.

I will pray for you anon. I hope you find what you are looking for!

there are plenty of protestants denominations that don't have any of those things listed, and you'll find the interpretative dance and charismatic tongue weirdness happening in some catholic circles.

I would suggest this as your first catechism

http://www.ewtn.com/library/catechsm/piusxcat.htm

it's shorter and easier than the compendium, touches the necessary points

>>586078

We know but this is a jesuit conversion thread. Keep your thoughts to yourself

>>586078

> interpretative dance and charismatic tongue weirdness happening in some catholic circles.

I sincerely doubt it.

>>586089

this is a valid roman catholic mass.

>>586092

>Call to Action, a proscribed lay organisation or which being a member gets you automatically exommunicated

>valid mass

Pick one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Call_to_Action

>>586073

How do you guys view a inner splinter group like "The Priestly Fraternity of Saint Peter"?

>>586073

>A proper spiritual comportment

A love for Jesus isn't a denominational thing though?

Thanks for the link as well

>>586082

Also thank you

>>586097

>How do you guys view a inner splinter group like "The Priestly Fraternity of Saint Peter"?

Do you mean the Society of St Pius X? Because the Preistly Fraternity of St Peter (FSSP) is in full communion with Rome.

Most Catholics who know anything about them are sympathetic and would really like them to return to communion, even thouhg there is still a lot of ground to cover before this can happen, since neither the Vatican nor the society are keen to compromise over VII. A few olive branches have in recent times been extended to them (preists of the society can sometimes witness marriages, and legitimately perform the sacrament of penance, and being able to attend on a Sunday if it's the only parish that is reasonably near you in order to fulfil your Sunday obligation), but there is still a lot of work to do.

The "fringe of the fringe" can ruin it a lot, though. The SSPX aren't officially sedevacantist, although there is a good element of this in those who attend their masses. In my city, for instance, there is a SSPX parish, but this is in part attended by a group of very forthright and aggressive radtrads, for which reason the archdiocese as a whole has keeps the Society at arm's length, because they have now largely got this association that "traditionalist = crazy rad trad". Even the priest of this SSPX parish has tried to disown them but to no avail.

For reference, the FSSP are former SSPX members who came back to Rome after Lefebvre ordained those bishops, deciding that this was a step too far for them.

As a potentially new catholic, you should just steer clear to be safe. IF you are interested in the latin mass, look elsewhere.

>A love for Jesus isn't a denominational thing though?

No, but you are coming from the kind of protestant background that just views Jesus as your best buddy, then it can warp the relationship a bit.

>>586095

there was a validly ordained priest saying the words of consecration, it was valid.

i forgot the other things necessary for a mass to be valid (intent was one i think,) i'm sure it has those too though.

>Diocese of Lincoln, Nebraska issued, under certain conditions, an automatic interdict (which escalates after one month to an automatic excommunication) on members of several organizations within his diocese, including Call to Action.

what does this nebraska thing have to do with the west coast call to action (WCCTA?)

>>586103

>Do you mean the Society of St Pius X?

Exactly that yes.

>protestant background

I have only been a Christian for 3.5 years. So I don't really have a background at all.

>>586071

So you're throwing off all of Protestantism just because the specific denom you've attended doesn't understand 1 Timothy 2:9-14?

You know that there are plenty of conservative traditional protestant denominations right?

>>586104

Yeah, intent, and the celebrant also has to be validly ordained. I think that's it.

>>Diocese of Lincoln, Nebraska issued, under certain conditions, an automatic interdict (which escalates after one month to an automatic excommunication) on members of several organizations within his diocese, including Call to Action.

Because the whole group is condemned by the Church.

Also, this guy was the celebrant, by the way

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remi_De_Roo

>De Roo attended all four sessions of Vatican II. This experience deeply affected him and he still refers to himself as "a pilgrim of the Second Vatican Council".[4] He describes attending the sessions as "a voyage of discovery that would radically alter my whole outlook on reality" and "it was indeed a time of euphoria".[5] Since his retirement, De Roo has continued to travel and lecture about Vatican II and gave the keynote address, Rebuild my church – a Vatican Council Father Shares an Inspired Vision, at a Call to Action conference in 2008.[6]

>During his tenure as diocesan bishop, De Roo was known as a strong proponent of social action and liberation theology and was a critic of capitalism. He was the main force behind the 1983 Canadian bishops' statement Ethical Reflections on the Economic Crisis. That document stated that the "goal of serving the human needs of all people in our society must take precedence over the maximization of profits and growth."[7]

You may think I am judging him, but I find it really easy to believe that a Liberation Theologist doesn't have the Sacrifice at Calvary as the axis of his worldview.

>>586108

Sorry, forgive my presumption.

>>586103

Not him, but where I'm from, the FSSP are the only ones who conduct the Latin mass (aside from the SSPX).

Should I continue, or just attend NO to be absolutely sure? I'm too late for RCIA, don't really want to wait until August tbh

>>586116

No, do continue to attend the FSSP. The FSSP are totally legitimate and in full communion with the Holy See, and therefore they are licit and valid.

>women preaching

>that talking in tongues weirdness

>forcing me to listen to alternative Christian rock

>one women at a church I went to started interpretative dancing during a sermon(?) and everyone acted like nothing was happening

>women preachers going off on stupid tangents

>their obsession with Israel

If you’re going to decide to become Catholic, you probably seriously weigh up the Catholic vs. Protestant debate on the serious issues that define those denominations. All of your complaints are about things that aren’t essential to Protestantism. You could find a denomination where none of those things happen. However, if you have a problem with Sola Fide or Sola Scriptura, then that is a much more significant reason to become Catholic.

Pagan Christianity

>>586128

It's both. The Diocese is the only one which actually decided to excommunicate them, by which standard, is a fair metric to use to gauge the whole Church's reaction to them. It's like saying that because not every diocese condemned Vassula Ryden then it's ok for the faithful to hear and take on board what trash she has to say.

For the record, the celebrant's intent is not accounted for, so even though he is validly ordained, if his intent is lacking it means nothing. Since he is a liberation theologist and liberal reformer, my money is on the fact that his intent is lacking.

But sure, be my guest and chalk up that notch on internet arguments won.

Hi guys not OP but I'm a protestant going through RCIA and want to start going to latin mass:

1. Do I have to speak in latin mass if I don't know latin? Do most people not speak and instead just pray silently?

2. Do I just stay in my pew when other go up for the eucharist?

I have trouble with the English mass because I can never remember the words and I just feel like a fool. I also like the idea of going to a mass that is more traditional. Is it a bad idea to go to latin mass?

>>586151

>1. Do I have to speak in latin mass if I don't know latin? Do most people not speak and instead just pray silently?

No, you don't need to know latin. It can help, but it's not essential. Most latin mass parishes will usually have little flyers with the common of the mass on them so you can follow along with, and you can also offer your own prayers in silence. The laity in the Extraordinary Form mass, unlike the Ordinary Form, has next to nothing to say except "Et cum spiritu tuo", which you don't even need to say as the server fills in for all of the responsory parts.

Usually at the end of the mass there are prayers in English which were instituted by Pope St Leo XIII and retained in the 1962 missal, which are 3 Hail Marys, Salve Regina, a collect prayer, and the "St Michael" Prayer, which in my experience the priest and the whole congregation say together (except the collect prayer, which the priest alone says).

>2. Do I just stay in my pew when other go up for the eucharist?

Yes. Unlike in the OF where you can still get a blessing from the priest, if you are a catechumen/non-Catholic, you just have to stay put.

>I have trouble with the English mass because I can never remember the words and I just feel like a fool.

Don't worry about this. It will come to you naturally. You can find the common of the mass online which will tell you when and with what to respond. As I say, in the Latin mass, this is pretty much eliminated.

>I also like the idea of going to a mass that is more traditional. Is it a bad idea to go to latin mass?

Not at all. For me, going to a EF mass for the first time was a real shock to the system, but in a good way.

>>586103

>The SSPX aren't officially sedevacantist, although there is a good element of this in those who attend their masses

The SSPX are officially against it and no priest in the society is allowed to hold that position.

http://sspx.ca/en/faq-page/what-about-the-sedevacantists-faq15

>I am thinking of switching to the Catholic Church.

>I will be attending my first mass this Sunday.

I'm sorry to hear that

>I am a Protestant

Protesting what? Do you understand what it means to be Protestant?

>I have been getting closer to God in this past little while.

Really? Keep your progress and do a 180 away from Rome.

> have found that I am not OK with a lot of Protestant stuff like:

You were never Protestant to begin with, as those things do not come from the essence of Protestantism. Female preachers are from feminism, which affects Catholicism as well, but not officially. Nothing to do with Protestantism. Pentecostals and other extreme charismatics produce the tongue talking, By the way, why be discomforted from talking in tongues which has some Biblical validity, but not things which have none, like appearances of Mary or supposed miracles from the eucharist and icons? not the other Protestants. Lutherans, conservative Anglicans, non-NY Reformed practice the Regulative principle, aka no strange fire. Dispensationalists obsess over political Israel, not even a core Protestant belief. Have you researched who practices such things and why?

Jesus and the Apostles have written over and over again that many false sheep would pop up with strange, evil doctrines and practices? Why are you bothered about these churches, but not appreciating the good? Have you not researched the many abuses and errors of Rome? The fabricated documents, relics, sayings, histories; botching the Crusades, the best chance to defeat Islam early; the Pornacracy; botching Church discipline especially almost Martin Luther, which helped exasperate the Reformation they so despise; exploiting the poor with indulgences which have never been truly and completely banned; the severe and still continuing child abuse cases; the corruption within the magistrate; Liberation theology, capitulating to the Chinese government's rules for churches; Vatican II's ambiguity with non-Christians; Vatican II's allowing an ambiguous relationship with Protestants without reversing Trent among others.

Let me ask you this, have you researched the best arguments from Protestants against Rome? Have you talking with your church leaders at all, let alone addressing your concerns? Have you talked with any other Protestant before this? Have you tried written to a a trusted scholar, minister, or apologist?

Finally, let me say this: unlike what serious Roman Catholics think about people moving to Protestantism, we Protestants don't think you are going to hell for "converting" to Rome. You go to hell for not believing in God alone as your Redeemer and King. At least make sure you're faith is in God alone and not in anything else. What we do believe is that Rome will hinder your spiritual growth if you are growing; and if you have fooled yourself believing yourself saved, then Rome will exasperated that lie endangering your soul. This is still no small decision. I plead that you pray heavily on this before doing anything.

May God help you and save you no matter where you go, like Lot in Sodom or Daniel in Babylon.

If you are still open, watch and read these:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QS9OwHoVnH4

Testimony of Former Roman Priest

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJwa5FVo-fs

For your consideration. Keith Thompson's documentary on Roman Catholicism is good too, something you can watch in bites.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/rogereolson/2018/01/4992/

https://triablogue.blogspot.com/2017/12/romes-house-of-cards.html

Rome will not solve problems with interpretation. In fact, you ought to quit right now as Pope Francis' 'Amoris Laetitia' has made a mockery of even Rome's own teachings. One teaching wrong, you must reject them all. You're joining a zero sum interpretive game which has already been lost.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dy2mpT9EM44

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwyY7BvN62s

These guys went from Rome to Geneva/Wittenburg because Roman Catholics is false, not because of a few bad eggs. Though Rome has more than a dozen bad eggs.

>>586156

Yes, sorry, I should have clarified that.

What I meant was that they seem to attract individuals who seem to think that they are.

>>586153

Thanks a lot! I'm excited to go to TLM

>>586123

>>586159

Jesuits make these threads sometimes as a way of astroturfing, it's not a serious thread mate

>>586185

>Jesuits concerned about a random funposting Christian-themed board on a snail mail congregator for French characitures

Aren't they busy subverting the Papacy or something?

>>586183

>Forgetting the (PBuH)

You're gonna get banned lol

>>586188

>Aren't they busy subverting the Papacy or something?

You can always identify them by their "dialogues" they act out in front of people with one pretending to be something other than a catholic (in this case, converting to one) and saying beautifully retarded things as an unironic argument.

Have a read my dude

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/

>>586071

Pax! God is certainly calling you to full union with him. Do not let anything dissuade you, even doctrinal considerations for faith is a grace that comes from God not from yourself. There is nothing you can do to prepare for mass other than surrender your will to God and let him conform your will to his. Do not worry about anything for as St Paul says to worry is to doubt that God will provide us with our daily bread. Just turn up and enjoy the physical presence of the Lord.

God bless you.

>>586186

Well technically he is since he preaches the right gospel. Pope francis is a false prophet