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>>584692

Is this when we start Frank Yang posting?

The whole point of gluttony is not breaking 1 corinthians 6:12-13

>All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.

>Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats: but God shall destroy both it and them. Now the body is not for fornication, but for the Lord; and the Lord for the body.

matthew 6:33

>But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

So yes you can eat more, just don't be addicted and seek God first and foremost.

>>584692

>eat more to bulk so you can lift more

>lift more so you can glorify your body and temple for the Lord

>glorify your body and temple so to inspire and evangelize those who do not know Christ

it's fine.

Are you getting bigger in order to better serve God, or are you doing it to get "joocey" out of vanity?

>>584714

>caring about the carnal body inspite of romans 8:7-8

>>584715

This.

>>584715

Probably both. I really enjoy being able to lift more each week. Lifting is basically the only thing I'm good at. I don't show off my body by wearing tank tops and overly tight clothing.

>>584722

<Probably both

matthew 6:24

>No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

>>584723

I'm not trying to be vain on purpose, though I wonder if I am subconsciously.

>>584715

How is one supposed to attract a wife without getting "joocey?"

>>584739

1 corinthians 7:6-8

>But I speak this by permission, and not of commandment.

>For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that.

>I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I.

>>584716

Having a strong body naturally makes people see you as a leader. That is, if you're already charismatic you'll make yourself even more charismatic if you take up half of every room you visit.

>>584740

Forcing celibacy is gnostic, to say the least.

Most people can't handle celibacy. In fact, if you feel sexual urges at all, it's probably a bad idea.

>>584746

1 corinthians 7:9

>But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.

>>584743

Once more

>caring about feelings of the carnal body inspite of 1 corinthians 2:14

>>584748

Exactly. But you need to be fit to attract a mate.

>>584751

Why do you care so much about attracting a mate? Serve God.

>>584755

Because I, like most people, am not cut out for the celibate life. There's nothing sinful about marriage.

>>584777

Can we add "as long as it's not out of vanity" as a footnote? I used to be kinda big when I was in my 20s, now I want to regain a bit of all that, but not to show off, only to do my job better (I move furniture all day long) and to get a bit of a testosterone boost to find myself a woman in the future.

>>584780

sure

but you can still want to look beautiful/handsome and not be vain about it

>>584781

ecclesasties 9:9-11

>Live joyfully with the wife whom thou lovest all the days of the life of thy vanity, which he hath given thee under the sun, all the days of thy vanity: for that is thy portion in this life, and in thy labour which thou takest under the sun.

>Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.

>¶ I returned, and saw under the sun, that the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favour to men of skill; but time and chance happeneth to them all.

There is no such thing as (((coincidence))), but time and chance happeneth to them all.

>>584692

You may be venially sinning but then it is always unavoidable for us. I would argue that to be perfect you would engage in a productive work (like carpentry) where cultivating and honing your body is a by product and not vanity and you eat just enough (which is a lot) to keep you in perfect health.

>>584692

Your body is a temple of God. I don't see how keeping it in good shape is sinful.

>>584722

Here is an article about vanity:

https://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/dictionary/index.cfm?id=37036

From what you poated here, it doesn't seem that you are vain.

>>584692

Gluttony is when you're eating yourself to death, mutilate your body with overeating or just eat a lot while there ate still other people around you that want something (like a family dinner).

If you lift, then you need to get big, therefore you have to eat big.

If you use all the food and don't mutilate your body or health then it's fine, just look out for vanity as >>584880 pointed out.

Is it vanity to want to bench 400 lbs?

>>584899

Usually not.

>>584716

Forcing yourself to go to the gym can be penitential. It is a form of fasting, that is aligning your body and what you want to do with your will and what you ought to do.

The act of working out can help fight sloth, and maintaining control of your diet so as to not lose progress in working out can help fight gluttony. It does this in the same way that abstinence fights lust.

The spiritual benefits of working out can be doubled if one primarily does it as a penitential act like fasting. If done as almost a sort of prayer, God can give graces to help one not fall into vanity and self-depreciation that many succumb to after working out for so long.

>>584899

Would you rather have the ability to do 30 situps in a row, or would you rather be able to lift an atlas stone?

>>584932

Tell you what you're gonna do. Go to Kroger, get a gallon of milk. Gallon of milk a day.

>>584937

Very interesting read.

>>584722

Body building is vanity. Olympic weightlifting is not.

>>585364

>when the stereotype is both persistent and valid to the modern day