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c0527b No.584381

I have a question: since abortion is viewed as murder in the eyes of the Lord, why do Christians tolerate the clinics at all? Do they tolerate because the American law tells them to? If so, do they follow America before they follow God's law?

Just food for thought

de835c No.584398

>Do they tolerate because the American law tells them to?

We don't tolerate it, there's just nothing we can do about it. Peacefully, at least.


7dad24 No.584403

>>584381

Remaining firm in our beliefs doesn't necessarily mean we tolerate the existence of things that run against it. I'd love to close all abortion clinics and make it illegal barring the most extreme of circumstances where the mother's life would be in jeopardy, but I'm only one man.


3256a3 No.584405

>pagens killing dogs in their womb

Who cares what pagens do? Serve God.


fa35af No.584412

>>584405

>But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

>Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.


0bf54f No.584417

>>584405

>toleration abortion in any capacity

>>>/leftypol/


778d50 No.584425

File: 2f4d680e90abf02⋯.png (49.18 KB, 1258x698, 629:349, wew.png)

>5 days into 2018

>already 11,000 murdered children in my country this year


c51245 No.584522

>Tfw Canadian

>Tfw any politician who criticizes abortion is viewed as a fascist.


4c7eb1 No.584529

>>584381

They can be protested or opposed through legislation. What else do you suppose we do, OP?


3256a3 No.584533

>>584412

Thine enemies will be of thine own household psalms 74 and psalms 139:20 and luke 20:41-44, hath ye not read luke 11:17?


3256a3 No.584535

>>584529

Do romans 13 and don't rebel nor riot.


c22bfa No.584578

>there will soon be homicide clinics in my country


3256a3 No.584579

>>584533

I forget to mention

Matthew 10:36

>And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.


2643dd No.584630

Would it be defending the life of the innocent if you killed a doctor that performs abortions or burned the clinics down? Not going to actually do that.


3256a3 No.584637

>>584630

Yes it technically would, but who cares about pagens? Go ye unto the lost sheep of the tribe of israel as said in matthew 10:6.

Also

>what is romans 13


3256a3 No.584638

>>584637

>tribe

should be

>house


ee0455 No.584639

>>584381

>Just food for thought

Bullshit. Obviously Christians do not tolerate abortion clinics. But what do you think should we do ? Plant bombs ? Or kill the doctors ? Yeah right, let's just become terrorists and the same type of murderers which we "fight" ? Stupidity. We pray, we convert and we try to convince people that their deeds are satanic. If they refuse, then we obey the law and protest and take measure the way we are able to. Because God gave us free will, thus also will to committ satanic deeds and reject God, sadly.

That is one of the pillars of the Gospel. Do not retaliate against evil with evil. If we did it, we wouldn't be better than the Pharisees and other heathens. Because THE ENDS DO NOT JUSTIFY THE MEANS.


ee0455 No.584650

>>584405

>>584637

Do you call yourself Christian ? Because if you do, then YOU should care about pagans, because they're misguided at best or straight-out rejecting God. You should care about the people that risk never knowing God, because of who knows which factors.

How can you be so indifferent ? Children die in abortion clinics, future mother committ the gravest sin of all, together with the doctors and nurses. And you say "f' that, they're just heathens" ?

I have no words for that.

And no, there can never be a justification to committ murder or arson, because you think it's "ok". There's no saying that goes "keep the commandments but only if it's convenient". No, God says: "Do this shit or I'll smack you right in the gabber m8".


2643dd No.584656

>>584639

>>584650

>And no, there can never be a justification to committ murder or arson, because you think it's "ok".

I don't know if it could really be considered murder to kill a serial killer in defense of his future victims though.


ee0455 No.584659

>>584656

This is not self-defense and also not defense of the future victims. It is an act of evil which you committ, because you put yourself above the law - not only state but also God's law.

There is no grey-zone. Imagine your reasoning would be right, then we could go out and genocide the half of a city, because they could potentially kill a pregnant mother in a car accident.

I beg you, stop with the mental gymnastics, because there can be no justification to committ evil, just because you "feel it's the right thing to do".


3256a3 No.584660

>>584650

>You should care about the people that risk never knowing God, because of who knows which factors.

Well this I care about because of the wording of mark 16:15

>And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

>Do you call yourself Christian?

Yes.

>Because if you do, then YOU should care about pagans

No, confirmed pagens who don't have the 1 corinthians 15:44 fall under romans 8:8 and the specific wording of 1 corinthians 2:14

>But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

>How can you be so indifferent ?

Because I love the Lord my God with all my heart and soul and mind. So I do as mark 16:15 says while seeking those that fall under matthew 10:6.

>And no, there can never be a justification to committ murder or arson,

Wrong, read Genesis 14, Joshua 10, 1 samuel 14, and 1 samuel 18 amongst many others. Have a sample from Numbers 31:1-18

>AND the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,

>Avenge the children of Israel of the Midianites: afterward shalt thou be gathered unto thy people.

>And Moses spake unto the people, saying, Arm some of yourselves unto the war, and let them go against the Midianites, and avenge the LORD of Midian.

>Of every tribe a thousand, throughout all the tribes of Israel, shall ye send to the war.

>So there were delivered out of the thousands of Israel, a thousand of every tribe, twelve thousand armed for war.

>And Moses sent them to the war, a thousand of every tribe, them and Phinehas the son of Eleazar the priest, to the war, with the holy instruments, and the trumpets to blow in his hand.

>And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males.

>And they slew the kings of Midian, beside the rest of them that were slain; namely, Evi, and Rekem, and Zur, and Hur, and Reba, five kings of Midian: Balaam also the son of Beor they slew with the sword.

>And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods.

>And they burnt all their cities wherein they dwelt, and all their goodly castles, with fire.

>And they took all the spoil, and all the prey, both of men and of beasts.

>And they brought the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and unto the congregation of the children of Israel, unto the camp at the plains of Moab, which are by Jordan near Jericho.

>And Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and all the princes of the congregation, went forth to meet them without the camp.

>And Moses was wroth with the officers of the host, with the captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, which came from the battle.

>And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive?

>Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORDin the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD.

>Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.

>But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

Gee I wonder what that last one meant. Don't forget this was all sanctioned by God in numbers 31:1 save the part where they didn't slay all the males.

>There's no saying that goes "keep the commandments but only if it's convenient"

No, there is the saying of please God see 1 thesselonains 4:1

>FURTHERMORE then we beseech you, brethren, and exhort you by the Lord Jesus, that as ye have received of us how ye ought to walk and to please God, so ye would abound more and more.

Also see 1 corinthians 10:23

>All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.


3256a3 No.584661

>>584656

That's a shit defense tbh.


de9d40 No.584662

>>584659

>crusade church and inquisitionchurch

>no reason ever to kill


3256a3 No.584663

>>584659

>because there can be no justification to committ evil

Define evil. Who are you to not discern it and not let God decide what evil is? Serve and seek to please God.


2643dd No.584665

>>584662

The crusades are the main reason I was wondering about it, but I think the justification is because the authority had decided it and not the individual.


3256a3 No.584669

>>584665

You are correct also see romans 13


2643dd No.584675

>>584659

>Imagine your reasoning would be right, then we could go out and genocide the half of a city, because they could potentially kill a pregnant mother in a car accident.

I don't really think that follows since my reasoning was about intent to kill rather than possibility to kill.


b44d3a No.584729

>>584578

Ireland?


a7cc2a No.584878

>>584381

If we lived in a culture where the society genuinely cared about Christian principles and morality, I think we should physically fight against them; now I think it would bring about far more damage to the Church and scandal than can be allowed.


dba890 No.584947

>>584637

Learn to spell, please.


ab0fc2 No.584966

>>584878

This. But back when it had just been legalized abortionists should have been dealt with.


f2c905 No.585002

I'm finding it hard to see something wrong with putting these clinics on fire. If you did it in the middle of the night, as so nobody would be hurt but their facilities would be useless, how would that be bad?

Serious question.


d761dc No.585016

>>585002

>We completely detest and forbid, by the authority of God and the blessed apostles Peter and Paul, that most dreadful, devastating and malicious crime of incendiarism For this pernicious and inimical calamity surpasses all other kinds of destruction. Nobody is unaware of the extent to which it is injurious to the people of God and the damage it brings to souls and bodies. It is necessary, therefore, to oppose it and to labour with all one’s might, that so great a harm and danger be eradicated and suppressed for the sake of the people. If anyone, then, after the publication of this prohibition of ours, from some wicked design born of hate or vengeance, starts a fire or causes it to be started, or knowingly provides counsel or help to those starting one, let him be excommunicated. And when an arsonist dies, he is to be deprived of a christian burial. Nor is he to be absolved unless, having first made reparation for the loss according to his means, he swears that he will never raise a fire again. Moreover, let him be given the penance of remaining a whole year in Jerusalem or Spain in the service of God.

You're playing with fire there. I admit the idea of demolishing abortion clinics is extremely appealing, rightfully so, but we should not resort to terrorist tactics for a noble end and seek to end them legitimately.


f2c905 No.585022

>>585016

>from some wicked design born of hate or vengeance

This would be to avoid the killing of babies, tho.


94afae No.585057

>>585016

>>585002

If you look at the statistics regarding abortion, black mothers perform the most abortions out of any other race. If you look at statistics regarding black people, you can see that they are violent, and will kill, rape, and destroy. Now, it will be ignorant of me if I say all of them are like this, so I won't.


94afae No.585058

>>585057

I forgot to mention the following:

These abortions are committed by black mothers in poverty, those who live on welfare, and those in the ghettos. If they perform abortions, they are in turn reducing the number of future killers and rapists into the world.

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f2c905 No.585061

>>585057

>>585058

You can't kill blameless children just because they have a bad background, even if it's niglets we are talking about.

And I'm actually in favor of segregation.


2643dd No.585171

>>585058

People's actions are not predetermined. Children aren't killers and rapists before the fact.


dd021e No.585273

>>584729

NZ and by homicide clinics i mean actual homicide clinics where you go in and they kill you


f2c55e No.585274

>>585058

That argument doesn't even make sense because abortion clinics do business with everyone, and even one human life knowingly murdered is too much of a cost. Even if it also killed demons, it wouldn't be worth it to end one single human life.


1f7ffe No.585285

>>585058

> This is your brain on /pol/LARPism

You can't commit murder because it might have a positive effect. Utilitarianism is a meme.




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