/christian/ - Christian Discussion and Fellowship

>>582453

what is wrong with that statement

>>582454

Because the Bible is a religious book

>>582481

no it's a history book

>>582482

It's both. Talking about Heaven and future events isn't history.

>>582454

Certain Prots/Evangelicals think religion = man-made and what they practice is Christianity 100% from Christ and God with 0 intermediaries.

Prot Christianity = God made Christianity

Apolostic Christianity = man-made religion

>>582501

Pretty much this. One of the many problems that Protestantism has spawned in recent years.

That's the point. Religion is not about an institution, it's about your personal relationship with God.

>>584125

What alternate history books have you been reading lately? Because that part about the ancient Jews is pure fiction: they've been a house divided unto themselves more often than not, held together only by God's merciful hand

>>584143

>they've been a house divided unto themselves more often than not, held together only by God's merciful hand

> held together only by God's merciful hand

Is that what they call gullible goyim nowadays?

>>584125

All of that is great, but it goes back to salvation through faith alone. Too often today's Christian gets lost in the modern day equivalent to what you were describing and lose track of the one thing that matters most.

Daily reminder that the jesus sacrament is literal spirit cooking and should be avoided at all costs

>>584179

No, retard, I was talking about the ancient Jews, not the synagogue of satan

>>582551

it was bad from the start, come back home.

>>584190

daily reminder THERE IS NO SALVATION without the Eucharist

>>582501

Jesus - Apostles - Priests/Church - "man-made"

so they're really forsaking Christ's divinity every time they call it "man-made".

>>584189

> Too often today's Christian gets lost in the modern day equivalent to what you were describing

they were doing it for 2,000 years! this is what the apostles passed down! by denying them, you deny the Holy Spirit, that Christ gave them authority.

Isn't God is separate from religion? Of course there are vital institutions that are used to worship God, however, the bible should be the ultimate path to God. The obvious false religions are example of this, Mormonism is a religion yet, it's false because they don't fallow the bible. I know i sound like an atheist to some, but following/trusting a religion is way too dangerous, especially when the religions supersede or takes over the bible.

Before Jesus there were no one calling themselves Christians, and the bible doesn't say to follow such denomination and call yourself a christian.

>>582501

>false denominational blaming

I wouldn't bring this up if it was clear that it was prots fault, however the idea of choosing the bible over religion comes from a lot of different Christians (including non-denominational Christians). To lump everyone whos is against the church or even the catholic church as protestants isn't accurate. Lots of different people don't agree with the pope or the/certain churches.

>>584214

Where in the bible does it say that?

>>584770

At this, the Jews began to argue among themselves, “How can this man give us His flesh to eat?” 53So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I tell you, unless you eat the flesh and drink the blood of the Son of Man, you have no life in you. 54Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day

>>584785

John 6:63!++

>>584216

if they could meet the priests who wrote large sections of the bible (transmitted by oral tradition btw), would them call it also man-made?

>>584822

Pray for Sweden. Satan's coming against Europe on all sides.

>>584770

>the bible doesn't say to follow such denomination and call yourself a christian

Yes it does, Acts 11:26 is the first mention:

>and when he found him, he brought him to Antioch. So for a whole year Barnabas and Saul met with the church and taught great numbers of people. The disciples were called Christians first at Antioch.

So if the disciples at Antioch were called Christians, why shouldn't we call ourselves Christians?

>>593171

Jesus didn't have long hair. Stop attacking the Lord Jesus Christ.

1 Corinthians 11:14

Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?

>>593171

But the keys were given to every apostle

>>584826

the Apostles were literally breathed on with the Holy Spirit, so probably not

>>582454

<what is wrong with that statement

Revelation

Revelation 22:9

>Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.

Matthew 23

>Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift?

>Whoso therefore shall swear by the altar, sweareth by it, and by all things thereon.

>And whoso shall swear by the temple, sweareth by it, and by him that dwelleth therein.

>And he that shall swear by heaven, sweareth by the throne of God, and by him that sitteth thereon.

God's word is above His own name in psalms 138:2 and thusly should be treated as very holy and the such. But God's word is not God Himself, just like God's many names are not Himself.

>>593194

They are all false, save for the followers of Christ, christianity. Plus they all use the word "religion" wrong. See james 1:26-27

>If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man’s religion is vain.

>Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

>>593202

>They are all false, save for the followers of Christ

The ones that pretend to be followers of Christ don't display their falsehood as easily

For example Mormonism, of course we know it's false but someone who starts with the foundation in Mormonism and not in the original bible instead of Freemasonic Joseph Smith's version. Others will accept that it's another testimony of Jesus and take any questioning as blasphemy. That Christian characteristic of rightfully protecting what is sacred is used against itself to silence lost people in search for the truth.

Protestants on SUICIDE WATCH

>>593175

>Jesus didn't have long hair

What's next, he didn't drink wine and didn't wear tunics either?

>>593229

<muh bibble

>>593237

also an argument against yourself

>>593142

>Satan

THE JEWS

>>584192

Please don't refer to them as "ancient Jews" and just "(ancient) Israelites" because Jews - as in nation - are those who descended from Judah. Every Jew was an Israelite, but not every Isrealite was a Jew. The tribe of Judah was only one of the 12 tribes of Israel. Jews - as in Judaism - are the Pharisees that did not acknowledge Christ and created the Talmud to discredit Christianity; those of the tribe of Juda, who practice Judaism, as we know it, is the Synagoge of Satan and contributed to a lot of atrocities throughout histroy you wouldn't believe me even if I told you in a perfectly adequate and elaborate manner.

>>593227

Anderson says Jesus wore pants

>>593249

>Also just cause a jew is from some other tribe doesn't mean you should relax around him…

You didn't understand anything, do you? Jews are from the tribe of Judah, they cannot be of another one. The Judaic tribe was usually the malicious and treacherous one. It doesn't make everyone from the tribe of Judah evil and untrustworthy, but the tribe in general always had a key role of fucking things up for their own power hungry gain.

Religion is not required to have faith in Christ. Although it is not inherently evil, today's standards may change how religion is conducted, especially now that you have institutional churches, government funding (thus government churches), and leaders that are carefully selected and set to infiltrate communities. These words are not based on conspiracy either, but on solid account from witnessing what is spoken, what is shown, and what is reflected by it.

Bible belt states are largely afflicted currently, and some churches have manipulated the Bible into manuscripts that are to be followed in service. This is not to paint religion as the problem, no. The core is to remain uncorrupted, but it is the several entrances (denominations) that are taken which ultimately do not lead to the core of the matter. Part of this is how Jesus is not directly connected to the religion, instead he is influenced by the religion. His death is focused on more than anything, even to the point of salvation. What ever happened to preaching about the life Jesus lived? Remember, it is of the living God that we speak upon scripture and life lessons. That living God is directly represented within us, which is to to say that we are God. It is the adverse, for the Kingdom of God is within you, as well as Jesus. The spirit dwells within us, and to be found through it is our Lord, Christ Jesus.

I hold no quarrel towards religion itself, however, one can clearly observe with enough sense on their shoulders how modernization (rather, "institutionalization") has decentralized Christianity away from the spirit.

I love Jesus, and as long as I draw breath, he is there with me. The Bible is a book of legends, lessons and truths, the key is to not oppress what it has to teach with literal interpretations. Seek Jesus along the way, and the allegories will appear as the truth - hidden in plain sight.

>>594755

>Religion is not required to have faith in Christ.

anon please

>>594755

You cannot have Christ while willingly rejecting His church.

>>593194

>that whole webm

I think the problem is that you americans are too uneducated to understand anything at all. I don't know if it's merely due to your education system or substances they put in your big macs, but it's honestly discomforting.

>>594769

>>594774

It doesn't take a physical church to be close to Him. Meditation and Prayer together are powerful components when connecting to God through Jesus. He works in mysteries, so for some of His church may lead different lives, but ultimately have faith in him through good deeds, good words, and good actions. Keep in mind that this should not venerate the ego, but the spirit through Christ's teachings.

This is the same hellfire and brimstone collection of jargon that severs the tie between connecting with Christ and being with Him. Yes, church is a place to hold communion with a group of followers, and through that communion discovers the realm of knowledge and wisdom from His Word. Try the proposition of sitting at home, meditating in darkness or with sunlight, and working prayer into it. Go to church within thyself and ask Him yourself. Many do not have the patience or perseverance to go through with it, but it is beautiful.

One sentence responses reflect trivial growth, given the care it takes to read a worded post.

>>593200

>posting this image with this flag

When you think maybe the Christians won't shitpost you into oblivion but then

>>594984

Anon, you're attempting to cloak a sort of Quakerism behind a veil of pretty phrases. Diction does not a faith make.

To get to my point, a five minute search of the current state of Quaker belief is more than enough evidence to refute this sort of ideology; misguided interpretation of Scripture and prelest are constant and powerful dangers for the individual believer. Even miracle-working saints like St. Theophan the Recluse (who as his name might imply, lived alone) nevertheless conducted the Liturgy everyday in his isolation. And look at the state this man achieved! By the power of God he'd answer letters to people he'd never met with incredible details about their lives that he could not possibly know. Do you consider yourself greater than this man?

>One sentence responses reflect trivial growth

You can't at once criticize egoism, glorify your own beliefs as the true and enlightened way, and put down every church on Earth as somehow misguided (or lacking the knowledge that you're implying you've obtained).

>>594984

>>595034

>Brothers and Sisters! The all-merciful God desires happiness for us both in this life and in the life to come. To this end He established His Holy Church, so that she might cleanse us from sin, sanctify us, reconcile us with Him and give us a heavenly blessing. The embrace of the Church is always open to us. Let us all hasten their more quickly, we whose consciences are burdened. Let us hasten, and the Church will lift the weight of our burdens, give us boldness before God, and fill our hearts with happiness and blessedness.

(St. Nectarius of Aegina, The Path to Happiness, 1).

>We know and are convinced that falling away from the Church, whether into schism, heresy, or sectarianism, is complete perdition and spiritual death. For us there is no Christianity outside of the Church. If Christ established the Church, and the Church is His Body, then to be cut of from His Body is to die.

(St. Hilarion Troitsky, On Life in the Church)

>One should not seek among others the truth that can be easily gotten from the Church. For in her, as in a rich treasury, the apostles have placed all that pertains to truth, so that everyone can drink this beverage of life. She is the door of life.

(St. Irenaeus of Lyons, Against Heresies, III.4)

>When are we living in Christ? When we live according to His Gospel and His Church. For He Himself, and not only His Gospel, is in the Church with all of His perfections and virtues. The Church is the eternally living Body of the God-man Christ. In her we find the medium of the holy mysteries. In her we find the means of holy good deeds. Our Lord Jesus Christ abides inseparable from the Church in this world. He abides with each member of the Church throughout all ages. He has His entire self for us in the Church, and continually gives Himself to us entirely, so that we might be enabled to live in this world as He lived.

(St. Justin Popovich, Explanation of I John, 4:9, 17)

>>593200

>>595025

The orthoprot meme is once again proven true.

>>595034

This is where assumptions can create distemper. Your assumption that I have put down the churches is far-reaching. The only criticism that was given on my account is the modern state of the church, which can now become a bed of nails via 501c institutions, indoctrinations, and infiltrations. Another flaw in this response is throwing the assumptive question of being greater than a saint that chose upon his goodwill to live as a hermit whilst practicing his faith. The base of your responses turn to criticizing someone for not adhering to the church. I grew up in them, have been in plenty of sermons and ceremonies, gospels ablaze with glory to the Lord, but when asking Him through prayer on how to be with Jesus (for He is with us as we draw breath), I was led to meditation and prayer in combination and found it very beneficial in connection with God. You cannot cast blasphemy towards another for what they have been blessed with on their path. This is the biggest problem with Christianity today. We all have our paths, and they will ultimately lead to Jesus given that one has made clear their foundation which rests upon his very existence.

>>595037

Wow, who would have thought that Orthodox aren't Papists? Next you're going to tell me water is wet.

>>595041

>>593200

>praying to mary with a bunch of beads

>implying this is a bad thing

>orthodox

K.

>>595044

>posting a meme means you agree with everything it says

K.

>>595041

>calls Catholics "papists" (coined by protties)

>calls praying to saints bad when orthos do it

>calls prayer beads bad when orthos use them

Pure orthoprot.

>>595045

>unironically posting something you don't agree with

lolwat