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58a857 No.582147

Tell me, /christian/, if you can, what defines a Christian? What is that essential jewel in the centre of all the guff that makes a Christian?

I read an article today in which the forthcoming American princess said someone in an LA soup kitchen told her 13yo self that "life is about putting others’ needs above your own fears" and I thought to myself, well, that's an awfully Christian thing to say, isn't it? For did not God Himself say that in deed, if not in words? Christ saw in humanity the need to be saved and, above and beyond His own fears, willingly died, did He not? Does not every saint and martyr recognise the same? Perhaps the person who said that was Christian. And then I observe the world and I see this same statement being copied by the world. The world sees that this is the standard, and some are even living by it. And I see in myself my fears far outstripping my own willingness to help others.

When the world seems more Christian than you are, are you simply not-saved? If aid workers who sacrifice their middle-class lives (if not their actual lives) are more "Christian" by this quote-definition than you, that you are not "out there" changing lives for the better, you're just "in here" tapping on a computer, spreading your disgust at the world, are you not Christian, or are they more Christian than you? Is the world more Godly than we would admit? Or do I have the wrong end of the proverbial stick? Is works not the definition of "being Christian"?

You can all turn this into another Catholic/Baptist works/grace shitflinging exercise, if you so desire. Or you can burrow down further and answer me this: what defines a Christian in light of the world's ability to mimic our Lord's grace?

genuine question from a three-year veteran of this place inb4 >>>/reddit/ >>>/leftypol/ and other associated BS.

21ce36 No.582150

>>582147

Christian (krĭsˈchən)

adj.

Professing belief in Jesus as Christ or following the religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus.


8220d3 No.582151

>>582147

True faith in Christ


c0ba33 No.582168

>>582147

Belief in the trinity and belief that The Bible is the only scripture are central to Christianity. Mormons and JWs believe in The Bible, but not the trinity, so they're not Christian. Urantia Book students believe in the trinity, but believe in extra, superfluous scripture, so they are not Christian. This is the broadest definition I can think of


8220d3 No.582173

>>582168

>believe in The Bible

>but not the trinity

pick one


af8e82 No.582180

Believing that Christ Jesus is Lord.


c343d3 No.582188

>>582168

This is pretty much what I would say.

FWIW, Mormons are doubly not Christian by that standard. Non Trinitarian + believe in the Book of Mormon. Basically no different from Muslims.


eccfd4 No.582190

The minimum requirements are the following beliefs:

>God created the world and everything in it

>God made humans too, and gave them rules to follow

>All people have sinned (broken one of God's laws for humanity) somehow, at least once

>God is just, and wrongdoings need to be paid for

>God is also merciful, and understands that because we are imperfect we cannot be expected to adhere to His laws in all the time

>God took to the earth as a man named Jesus, to fairly pay the price for all of mankind's wrongdoing

>because of this, we will not die and got to hell as punishment for disobeying God, but will instead go to heaven to be with him, as long as we accept Christ's sacrifice

This is the absolute core of Christian theology.


268e38 No.582195

iirc catholic theology defines christian both in respect of ontology and in respect of beliefs

ontological Christians are anyone who has been baptized validly

holding minimally "Christian" belief means holding correct belief about the Trinity and the Incarnation.


58a857 No.582202

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Are you all sure you understood the question?

>>582190

wew lad – will we all sit an exam come the judgement?


8dd823 No.582205

Having a 1 corinthians 15:44

>>582150

Can't have belief without john 4:22 and 1 corinthians 15:44 because romans 8:8 applies.

/thread


942674 No.582261

>>582168

I skimmed the Urantia book before, doesn't it say that the Bible was only partial and/or corrupt revelation like the Muslims do?


5ada2c No.582271

>>582147

A Christian follows the teachings of Jesus (not Paul or Peter or any other fallible mortal).

>>582261

Theres some folks on /rel/ who post about Urantia


cf8258 No.582312

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>>582271

>A Christian follows the teachings of Jesus (not Paul or Peter or any other fallible mortal).

And who taught you about Jesus? Did you get a psychic email?


bd5ed5 No.582319

>>582312

>And who taught you about Jesus?

God.


c0bf24 No.582336

>>582319

How do you know?


e99453 No.582338

>>582271

1 Corinthians 11:1: You are to imitate me, just as I imitate Christ


d32874 No.582376

>>582147

>I read an article today in which the forthcoming American princess said someone in an LA soup kitchen told her 13yo self that "life is about putting others’ needs above your own fears"

I get the context, but that's not a universal truth as it encourages others to be apathetic and nihilistic. It doesn't make sense to let a child play in high speed traffic because I think that my fear of them dying shouldn't supersede their fun.

Being Christian is what's defined in the bible, not by a journalist who has a contradictory standard when it comes to "fear". The type of person who self-segregates themselves from immigrant majority areas while wanting people penalized for drawing msPaint frogs, saying incorrect pronouns, and holding tiki-torches at night isn't what I would call courageous.


da9d75 No.582822

>>582271

Jesus sent the prophets and Jesus called for Peter and Paul personally to testify for him. They are trustworthy.


18258b No.582842

Baptism


7e61e7 No.582852

>>582336

You haven't read the First, Second or Third Epistle of God? What about the First or Second Epistle of God, or any of the Divine Epistles? Not even the Gospel according to God, Gospel according to God, Gospel according to God or the Gospel according to God? What kind of Christian are you?




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