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00500a No.581381

Is it wrong for me to have a interest in reading occult and esoteric traditions?

161c8e No.581384

>>581381

It reeeeeeaaaally depends on what you mean by “interest”


161c8e No.581385

>>581384

>I know this is all nonsense, but it’s fascinating to read about learn

That’s fine

>yeah man, the Catholic Church removed the gospel of Thomas from scripture to hide the true faith of Christ. Jesus was actually a teacher of western Buddhism. Evola and Hitler are personifications of the Kali Yuga, and I believe this despite being Christian

No, no, that’s not okay


04da56 No.581386

TBQH no, some occultists are charismatic and they might convience you if you read them

>t. Guy who fell for the astral world meme and ended up with sleepleaa nights


accea6 No.581387

1 John 4

>1Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

>2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

>3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

>>581385

What this guy says. You're on /christian/ so there's little doubt you've been exposed to some occult and esoteric traditions.

Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.


accea6 No.581388

>>581386

>astral world

Is that the one where we're an aliens video game bubblegum machine simulation


1c32b7 No.581444

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'This man, as became apparent from his stories, had friends among the magi and astrologers. Since he was stopping for a rest, he sat for a while with the two old ascetics, a civil and loquacious guest. He talked long, learnedly, and eloquently about the stars and about the pilgrimage which man as well as all his gods must

make through all the signs of the zodiac from the beginning to the end of every aeon. He spoke of Adam, the first man, maintaining that he was one and the same as the crucified Jesus, and he called the Redemption Adam's passage from the Tree of Knowledge to the Tree of Life. The serpent of Paradise, he contended, was the guardian of the Sacred Fount, of the dark depths from whose night-black waters all forms, all men and gods, arose.

Dion listened attentively to this man, whose Syrian was heavily sprinkled with Greek, and Joseph wondered at his patience. It bothered him, in fact, that Dion did not lash out

against these heathen errors. On the contrary, the clever monologues seemed to entertain Dion and engage his sympathy, for he not only listened with keen attention, but also smiled and nodded at certain phrases, as though he were highly pleased.After the man had left, Joseph asked, in a zealot's tone, with something bordering on rebuke: "How could you have listened so calmly to the false doctrines of this unbelieving heathen? It seemed to me that you listened not only with patience, but actually with sympathy and a certain amount of appreciation. How could you fail to oppose him? Why didn't you try to refute this man, to strike down his errors and convert him to faith in our Lord?"

Dion's head swayed on his thin, wrinkled neck. "I did not refute him because it would have been useless, or rather, because I would not have been able to. In eloquence and in making

associations, in knowledge of mythology and the stars, this man is far ahead of me. I would not have prevailed against him. And furthermore, my son, it is neither my business nor yours to attack a man's beliefs and tell him these are lies and errors. I admit that I listened to this clever man with a good measure of appreciation. I enjoyed him because he spoke so well and knew a great deal, but above all because he reminded me of my youth. For in my younger days I devoted a great deal of my time to just such studies. Those stories from mythology, which the stranger charted about so gracefully, are by no means benighted. They are the ideas and parables of a religion which we no longer need because we have

acquired faith in Jesus, the sole Redeemer. But for those who have not yet found our faith, perhaps never can find it, their own faith, deriving from the ancient wisdom of their fathers, is rightly deserving of respect. Of course our faith is different, entirely different. But because our faith does not need the doctrine of constellations and aeons, of the primal waters and universal mothers and similar symbols, that does not mean that such doctrines are lies and deception."


1c32b7 No.581445

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"But our faith is superior," Joseph exclaimed. "And Jesus died for all men. Therefore those who know Him must oppose those outmoded doctrines and put the new, right teaching in their place."

"We have done so long ago, you and I and so many others," Dion said calmly. "We are believers because the faith, the power of the Redeemer and His death for the salvation of all men, has overwhelmed us. But those others, those who construct mythologies and theologies of the zodiac and out of ancient doctrines, have not been overwhelmed by that power, not yet, and it is not for us to compel them. Didn't you notice, Joseph, how gracefully and skillfully this mythologist could talk and compose his metaphors, and how comfortable he was in doing so, how serenely he lives in his wisdom of images and symbols? That is a token that this man is not oppressed by suffering, that he is content, that all is well with him. Such as we have nothing to say to men for whom all goes well. Before a man needs redemption and the faith that redeems, before his old faith departs from him and he stakes all he has on the gamble of belief in the miracle of salvation, things must go ill for him, very ill indeed. He must have experienced sorrow and disappointment, bitterness and despair. The waters must rise up to his neck. No, Joseph, let us leave this learned pagan in the happiness of his philosophy, his ideas, and his eloquence. Tomorrow perhaps, or perhaps in a year or in ten years something may happen that will shatter his arts and his philosophy; perhaps the woman he loves will die or his only son will be killed, or he will fall into sickness and poverty. Should that occur and we meet him again, we will try to help him; we will tell him how we have tried to master suffering. And if he then asks us: 'Why didn't you tell me that yesterday or ten years ago?' we will

reply: 'You were too fortunate at the time.'' -The Glass Bead Game

I certainly agree with Joseph in this story in regards to his fear of idolatrous paganism, for who knows the hour in which the Lord may come? Nonetheless, from the position of someone who was once interested in occult spirituality and came to the faith I agree with Dion's insights wholeheartedly, with the caveat that I was not content then and I am now. There is power in symbols, that is why the prophets used them in their preaching and Christ used them in his parables, certainly the creation story would be gibberish could we not grasp symbols, but they cannot save you, idolatry will damn you, and Christian tradition is so rich that you don't really need them anyways. A detached interest is fine but I can tell you from personal experience occult symbols/philosophy can worm their way into your worldview whether you want them too or not, simply because they reflect a higher truth. But Christ is the ultimate truth, and that is all that you need to know.


04da56 No.581461

>>581388

Its the dream world


7d6c8f No.581465

>>581388

>>581461

>astral world

its this same world we live

but in a different density


35e749 No.581466

>>581465

>This world is just the dream world but more directly influenced by the wavelengths fed to our senses that our brain interprets

You just gaslighted me. Excuse me while I go take a nap and try to process this without losing my mind.


b31788 No.581469

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>>581466

dumb Goy


f05c6b No.581480

>>581381

>Is it wrong for me to have a interest in reading occult and esoteric traditions?

No, but the more you study the vast interconnections, parallels and meanings of unrealized significance underlying throughout the word of God and realize the mind behind it is far greater and far more original and profound than any man that ever was, you may start to lose interest in them.


7d6c8f No.581502

Its not wrong until you do not practice this

I dont seen nothing bad if you read about this stuff I read too

but I remind everyone that occult practics are sin

and If you want act like God then sooner or later

you will be punished for this especially when you have weak psychic ,your own fears will punish

you

there is one question for everyone who is interested in this type of knowledge

Ask yourself what you want to get from this?


cb2005 No.581511

>>581381

As long as you know that they will appeal to your lust for power. So watch out for that.


dc6bb2 No.581512

>>581465

Thank you, Smiley.


35e749 No.581517

>>581469

I might be dumb but I’m not a beast, just too bored this break for my own good, so I’m making CIA archives on an Alaskan sushi chatroom.


b493c4 No.581521

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No, though one should always read such things with Christ in mind; He is the missing piece of the perennial puzzle and all things must be seen in light of Him, similar to how the Old Testament must be read in light of the new.


558d74 No.581585

>>581381

bump for interest

i used to look in to (((kabbalah))) and other (((chaldean mysticisms))) and currently look at i ching type feng shui stuff because it seems interesting for conlang concepts, i honestly don't know… ._.


bbfcb3 No.581601

>>581381

Have you read on the problems with gnostics and syncretistics? If not, then probably shouldn't. Read Irenaeus instead.


421fd8 No.581610

I got into Christianity because of Rene Guenon and Julius Evola. So I can give a qualified yes to either of them.

They're more useful if you want to wake up a twentysomething atheist and demonstrate the flaws of philosophical materialism and scientism. Maybe less useful to someone already committed to Christ.


1041ca No.581669

>>581610

same

Evola and the Traditionalists are great to get someone out of current yearism and to red pill people on the fundamental necessity of religion, but after you come to Christ there's not much need to go back there anymore. Orthodoxy completes their system imho.


9ed349 No.581924

>>581669

>>581610

Surprised to see so many others were into Evola's works before converting to Christianity, although I begomed Reformed Baptist instead of Orthodox (I get why a lot of people would probably go to EO after perennialism, though, it has that same ancient and mystical aesthetic appeal that drew me into esotericism in the first place). Tbh it's remarkable that Evola was so critical of Christianity; I first starting reading the New Testament after having read The Hermetic Tradition and I didn't even have to finish Matthew before it was made clear to me by the Grace of God that the Gospels are a better and perfect fulfillment of anything worth while in that book. Either Evola never actually read the Bible himself or was so consumed by his pride that he refused to believe that the transformation he longed for could only be accomplished in him by the Grace of the Perfect God through the atoning work of Jesus Christ rather than by his own feeble means.

That being said, it took awhile to throw the corpse of all that esoteric nonsense off of me even after I started calling myself a Christian, and I didn't truly experience New Life and miraculous deliverance from sin until after God called me to consciously and deliberately reject everything that wasn't Christ and His Word and to begin to try and rebuild from scratch. There are shadows of the truths that have been revealed to the hearts of men in some esoteric works, but they have been distorted and perverted greatly, and once you get sucked into it it is easy to unconsciously bring over residue from that framework into your readings of the Bible because of some shared symbols, but it is rare that they are used in the exact same way even when their usage is somewhat comparable.

I say it's better to avoid it, OP.


e3610c No.581937

>>581444

But they are lies and deceptions, anon.


e3610c No.581941

>>581937

Posted that too quickly, sorry.


421fd8 No.582185

>>581924

Evola and Guenon fell into the "Christianity is Catholic" trap. They assumed that because Catholicism was flawed, Christianity was flawed. Tragically, that left Evola to delve into Eastern woo while Guenon ended up a Sufi. What shocks me about that is both were at least somewhat familiar with Orthodoxy's existence (Evola even met Codreanu and thought more highly of him than any other contemporary leader), yet still ended up outside of Christianity.

It's strange. I left Catholicism for atheism as a teenager, and could not understand how one could believe in God. Over a decade later, I read some books by a Sicilian esotericist and a Sufi and could finally see the absolute necessity of God. It's something no proof text, apologetic, or rational argument could do and I thank God for it.

That neither of them found the perfect expression of truth in Christ is a tragedy. And you are probably right that it was out of pride. Both trusted their scholarship and knowledge more than God.


ecdd07 No.582918

>>581610

>>581669

I never got why Guenon didn't convert to Orthodoxy. It's literally Traditions: the religion. Did he ever write about Orthodoxy?


5b4649 No.582919

>>581381

Yes, that sort of thing is crypto-paganism.




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