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>>579989

Huge difference between remaining celebate and dedicating your life to Christ and falling for Jewish genocidal tricks.

>>579991

Why can't a guy just decide that he thinks he'll live a happier life alone?

>>579992

i have no problem with this,

it's turning it into a movement/subculture/identity with its own symbols, lingo, and advertisements that creeps me out about MGTOW

why do you gotta promote it and discuss with other dudes about your lifestyle?

>>579989

Those were all priests so they had a reason for not marrying

>choosing to be single

That's fine. I know the Church recognizes not everyone participates in the sacrament of matrimony

>hating women

That's a no-no

>>580001

>>579999

>>579994

We have to promote it because it helps reaffirm that there's others like us and that we're not making a stupid decision. 99% of people are insecure and for big life decisions they need to see other people doing something before they do it themselves. This is just how people are.

I wouldn't have even known about MGTOW or considered it an option until someone else promoted it to me on /pol/. It took a few months but eventually I became convinced it's the right path for me.

But yeah the symbol and lingo is a bit over the top, I'll admit that

>>579999

A lot of MGTOW don't hate women, we just recognise that relationships and modern marriage is flawed. Even catholics have a 21% chance of divorce. And hypergamy exists even in religious circles.

>>580001

I am thoroughly convinced by looking at these paintings and will no longer be MGTOW, thankyou anon.

>>580004

There are more virtuous and wholesome women than the boys in the MGTOW movement that hate them. If you wanna Christianize your movement, keep Catholicism out of it. It doesn't take a MGTOW to be able to tell the difference between a thot or just a normal girl so your movement isn't even really necessary imo. Its like feminism for men, anti matrimony propaganda &"breaking [male] gender norms" that attaches itself to anything it can.

Going mgtow isn't christian, just be celibate instead.

>>579999

checkd

>>579989

Let me post an Anderson

>>580004

>we're not making a stupid decision

You're dooming your bloodline to extinction

Divorce rates are so high because of fornication

>>579989

Christian MGTOW requires:

No women, no Fap.

It's cheating if fap as MGTOW in Christian mode.

Better to marry than burn with passion.

Only someone who truly transcends the needs for women and transmutes his energy into a higher goal can be christian mgtow.

Fappers don't count.

WEW LAD, THOSE /pol/ CHARACTER MINIMUMS MAKE SENSE DON'T THEY?

>>580004

>We have to promote it because it helps reaffirm that there's others like us and that we're not making a stupid decision. 99% of people are insecure and for big life decisions they need to see other people doing something before they do it themselves. This is just how people are.

>I wouldn't have even known about sexual reassignment surgery or considered it an option until someone else promoted it to me on reddit. It took a few months but eventually I became convinced it's the right path for me.

>too ugly and socially awkward to have a gf let alone and I'm in my 20's

I'm going MGTOW whether I had a choice in it or not so this doesn't matter much to me.

>>580019

>being attached to your bloodline

>caring what happens after you die

>>580040

>caring what happens after you die

What did he meme by this?

Eh, MGTOW is all about materialism and detaching yourself from the problems of the world rather than facing them. It's essentially companion piece to waifuism, where instead of trying to improve yourself and educating yourself in the ways of women, you descend into frivolities and imagination. I can understand taking a monastic lifestyle if that's your calling; even monks try to fix both themselves and the world to better fit God's plans. MGTOW is no such means of that.

>>579989

>going your own way

>not going God's way

You are like a little pagan

Go read 1 Timothy 3 and 4 again.

>>580004

>21%

>but modern marriage

>scared of things uncertain that hasnt happened to you yet

Be brave, MGTOW is a cowards way out because they are scared of relationship and intimacy and love. Also 21% means, theres a whopping 79% of you not getting screwed over. Why fret over a measly 21 when 79 is on your side.

Want that number to increase? Be the change you want to see in this world. Dont behave like a bloody typical liberal who wants to change everything except themselves. You are better than those bunch.

When our Christian brothers become more in tune with natural law, MGTOW will just be known as that movement hat spearheaded an awakening to the rudiments of biblical Christianity.

The civil government is destroying marriage. If the appeal that women who initiate the majority of divorces via extortion is removed, then he problem will correct itself.

If you make passive resistance impossible, you make violent revolution inevitable.

>>579992

without Christ that usually just means he'll binge himself on pornography until death

>>579990

fpbp

>>580121

It's easy to accuse people of materialism. Tell me, have you ever gone hungry because you had no money? I did, I ate onion soup and rice for days, I ate raw oats and 2 day old bread with water. So when people tell me stuff like 'money isn't everything' I immediately know they haven't missed a single meal in their life.

And yes, materialism plays a big role in a marriage, women won't tolerate poverty for too long when they can just go and find a man who will give them a comfortable life. You want to prove me wrong? Go hit on girls, say you don't have a car and work a minimum wage job, see how you do.

>>579994

I try once to convince them MGTOW is stupid, if they don't listen I just let them do it. Women are already hard to get, less competition is only a plus for the rest of us. It's sad, but most won't listen to us.

>>580244

He is absolutely right. MGTOW is hedonistic faggotry. They don't want to avoid women. They want to dodge the responsibility of marriage, because they're prolly massive fags.

And your virtue signalling doesn't bring anyone further here. I can assure you're not the only one here having been ass poor at one point or the other.

But that is exactly the point. MGTOW is obsessing with materialism. They aren't interested in improving society. Because if they would, they would start to advocate marriage as it was mean to be by God. To become one flesh in a mysterious bond amongst each other and God. Which you don't do after 3 months.

And what you're referring to in your second paragraph is as shallow.

>And yes, materialism plays a big role in a marriage, women won't tolerate poverty for too long when they can just go and find a man who will give them a comfortable life. You want to prove me wrong? Go hit on girls, say you don't have a car and work a minimum wage job, see how you do.

Do you think you will find a decent woman "out there" prolly in clubs and shit when you brag with materialistic shit ? No, you will find a woman that digs for some gold in exchange for genitals.

Stop obsessing with materialistic needs. Yes you need money. But no, you don't need to eat 1kg caviar every day. Yes you need to work to buy a flat. But no, you don't have to live in a 100m² flat on your own or with a spouse.

Once you put your worldly delusions aside, you will see what I mean.

>>580292

This anon gets it… Better the stability of a small house than a McMansion and stress.

A guy I work with just dropped 19k on an engagement ring, and he'll be paying for that trinket for a long time. No doubt it'll be the tinder to quite a few fights.

>>580292

First off, you're projecting really, really hard, showing mgtows as some caviar eating slobs. I'm not mgtow, however, I can't support a family, I can barely support myself and my unemployed mom. No woman would have me even if I wanted to bring her into this quite pathetic situation I'm in.

Secondly, I don't believe you've experienced real hunger, you can sing about the 'non important worldly things' until the cows come home but when you haven't eaten in 5 days those worldly things become very, very important. Thus, my priority is not allowing that to happen to me ever again. If you want to call me materialistic because of that, I don't care.

I don't think you've had much contact with the average woman. If you did, you'd know that the vast and I mean vast majority of them go to clubs. And please, spare me of some anecdotal example of some girl you know who totally doesn't care how much you earn. Furthermore, their 'materialism' is very much justified because why marry a guy who can't afford to buy school textbooks for her kids?

Also, your virtue signaling is much worse. I truly, truly doubt you're in a situation where your livelihood is in danger, you wouldn't be saying the things you said if it was. Anyway, this is a stupid discussion, think what you will.

>>579989

MGTOW actually sees me as less of a man because I'm married and have children. Crazy.

>>580308

So this is your answer ?

>muh projecting

>more virtue signalling

>more clinging to secular fugshiet

>more virtue signalling

Great job there, you didn't bother to read and comprehend what I wrote, right ? Moreover you're like "hey n-no u are virtue signalling ok? think what you will, it doesn't matter anyway". Then why even bother to answer ?

You will not find a good girl in a club. You will not need to rent 200m² to live on your own. You don't even need 30.

One thing you're right with is that discussing with you is pointless, because for some reason you're dodging the actual topic for the sake of virtue signalling.

Have a great day mate and God bless. Also you have to back to reddit.

>>580310

MGTOW is in its basis nothing but a thing to distract young men from becoming responsible men. That is literally everything it is. It's even worse than that, because what they're attacking is not only society but natural order as God intended it to be. From that perspective, they're just as bad as those satanic faggots (note: not mere gay people, but faggots) etc..

I'm not MGTOW, but MGTOW is a reaction to the entitlement and narcissism of the modern day women. Now I don't necessarily hate all women, in the same way I don't hate all dogs because I meet a misbehaving dog. But I definitely have a hatred for most western women.

There used to be a time when women appreciated their man and saw him as the center of their world. As their king. Now women hop from dick to dick whenever they please, simply because they can. Men no longer have control of women, and that's the problem.

>>580314

>what they're attacking is not only society but natural order as God intended it to be

this is absolutely false. western females is not how god intended women to behave. women are to submit to one man and be faithful. not be degenerate whores

>>580331

I don't think all of them are like that. If your marriage is successful then they'd be envious of your life. I think the majority of them are just young men who are so demoralized by the state of women that they've given up.

NO!

>>580292

Yeah dude.. so materialistic to not want to be taken to the cleaners by your wife who can hypothetically extort you.

There are responsibilities and privileges/rights that correspond with them. If those have been taken away, then you enjoy the same lack of them with or without civil marriage.

As marriages declines and religious communities become rarer and rarer, it's natural that more and more men will have to become "mgtow" or whatever.

I don't think this is the worst case scenario, if we treat it correcly. There is inside the mgtow movement many a bad ideas, usually regarding living a life of self-indulgence and that has to be fixed.

>>580737

>life of self indulgence that needs to be fixed

To what end?

You have a sanctimonious observation of problems sans any solutions. What's the point of your post? MGTOW is passive resistance. If you can't fight the beast in the vanguard, then the solution is to starve. When you make passive resistance impossible, you make violent revolution inevitable.

This whole #metoo thing is a violent (as a function of property rights) response to MGTOW. So it IS working.

>>580758

>be the head of your house

You're NOT the head of your house when you get a civil marriage and the state will enforce a common law marriage to the same design anyway.

Your wife is given a loaded gun when you get married. She can divorce you and steal from you whilst committing adultery using the state. If that option was available, people wouldn't be bitching about it; divorced men included.

>materialistic ideology

Stupid. How do you support a family without materialistic provisioning. Are your kids just going to subsist on platitudes? Pull your head out of your ass.

>>580769

Find a woman that feareth the Lord like from Proverbs 31, and you'll have the promise that your heart can safely trust in her.

Guns don't kill, people do. I agree that the wicked world system has made golddigger thot divorce easier, but I don't expect less from our wicked government. if retreating into a masturbatory stupor in the hopes of saving money is going your way, you can have it.

>How do you support a family

<MGTOW

<Family

I have never seen the righteous forsaken, nor his people beg bread. Work like God commands you to, and you'll be able to provide for your family.

>>580783

JUST DO IT

lol ok genius.

>>580784

Stay celibate and don't crank off until God blesses you with a wife. Didn't say it was easy, didn't say these women were common.

just do it

>>580785

Do you sincerely suspect that God is happy with us being retards about our families?

If they're not common and becoming increasingly less common, then what kind of world are you bringing your children into and what kind of example would you set for your son with capitulation?

When you say "I know the state is evil and destroying our families but" you're effectively saying "bow down to the state and let it walk over you but bee haaaaaappy anyway lol"!

Just let the state destroy the family!

just do it

No dude, that's not what God wants for the church. Jesus didn't die so you and I could be cowards and retards and you know that. Just go talk to any divorced man who sacrificed for his family to provide for it and got divorce raped anyway. They exist. A lot of them exist.

>>580798

Be celibate and watch pornography.

It's less evil than raising a child as a single father where the mother ripped your child away from his family.

It's sinful to watch pornography but at least it doesn't enable evil. Evil and sin are not the same thing. Your sex drive doesn't just disappear. Can't think of any other solutions at the moment but at least it's not a platitude based on ignorance of

just do it

Besides the actors in pornography are exercising their unlimited rights to contracting. Would you as a father with his authority over his own family in tact allow your daughter to participate in pornography? Would her husband?

No.

Therefore if you take women's rights away, then the institution of pornography disappears! Wow!!

But you're not going to be able to vote that away because there are more women than men, so the simple solution is to go off grid and be celibate. Do not pay taxes to enable the state to destroy us and live a minimalist lifestyle. That way the tax base is constitutively low and thus unsustainable. That's a good thing. Because that's the only bargaining chip men even have anymore.

>>580807

Talmudic loophole diving for an excuse to stay home and masturbate.

I'll remain a virgin until God provides a Proverbs 31 wife. And I'll pray you realize that you've escaped the snare of marriage to an harlot just to fall into the snare of the pornographic jew.

>>580807

>Be celibate and watch pornography.

Nigger, you just went full retard. You don't need porn.

>>580798

That image is incredible.

>most modern women are sinful and degenerate?

>that's OK, let's just ignore them and try to be even more sinful and degenerate!

When will they learn that it's not a competition?

>>580807

The same principle applies to you

>>579989

You don't really want to blend your faith or good actions with any political identity, bevause you end up excusing the bad actions of that political identity by claiming that it's holy. It happens on both the left and right.

MGTOW =/= celibacy. The former is borne of resentment, hedonism and ideology, the later love, spirituality and discipline.

>>580807

> but at least it doesn't enable evil

Mr burpeest,if NO ONE watched it,it would cease to be a profit.

watching it enables it.

>>580807

>Be celibate and watch pornography.

I need to puke really hard

By the way, I went to /mgtow/ board or something some time ago, first thread I saw was about celibacy and they had fun view of it

>no sex except masturbating violently or fucking sexdolls

wew

>>580814

>>580908

>>580916

>>580811

Not one argument. Yeah let's just pretend we don't have a mating instinct and ignore it. No wonder you think Mary was a perpetual virgin.

>>581301

the guy who said burpeees had a good point.

>It's sinful to watch pornography but at least it doesn't enable evil.

if you watch pornography, you're subsidizing the industry. either through: ad revenue, page clicks, membership fees, interest generated, helping proliferate it through torrents, etc.

and it's one fucked up industry, not only are you enabling them to pay women to fornicate on screen, but a lot of porn outfits have dealings in things like sex trafficking/slavery.

>>581308

>>581301

what this guy said. porn is evil. nobody should ever watch it

>>580822

it's not just about modern women being degenerate. men have lost control over women to the state. marriage is no longer what god intended. i don't blame these men for not wanting to play a rigged game

>>581323

hentai is also evil. stop viewing all forms of pornography.

>>581325

But it has none of the characteristics posted in >>581308

>>581338

all forms of pornography pervert your mind, make you unproductive, and make it more difficult for you to connect with your future wife. your mind is so addicted to this evil you will say anything to defend it. i will pray for you.

>>581340

add me to that prayer too, i am a hypocrite.

>>581338

>>581323

It's still evil, addictive, sinful, degenerate, and destructive. I know that first hand. Now I'm trying to get this crap out of my life. Porn is worse than opium and I wouldn't wish this addiction on my worst enemy. It's clear that you are addicted because you will defend it.

>>581341

will do. and for you >>581345 too. nobodys perfect. after quitting all porn for almost 2 months now i can honestly say i have zero desire to view it anymore. its amazing how easy it is once you clear your mind of that evil

>>581345

I don't want to condone porn but I mainly use pictures when I do the business. So does it mean pictures are evil? Are those photos girls put on instagram in mini skirts evil? Or in a bikini? You'd be surprised, it's completely normal for girls to do it.

>>581345

I'm not defending anything, I'm just pointing out that jewish porn and drawn pictures have nothing in common and I advise you to not let your zeal impair your mental faculties, since outright rejection without basis only works up to a point.

>>581400

it's evil for the reasons said here >>581345

we live in dark times where this degenerate behavior is the norm for many women. it doesnt make it right

>>581404

but they do have many things in common. just stop jerking off my dude

>>581441

There was not a single argument in that post, just statements. Try harder.

>>581457

>muh argument

the bible says it wrong. enough said. why are you even on a christian board?

>>581457

>>581404

Are you serious? It doesn't matter who makes pornography (although (((them))) making it is a double whammy) it's addictive, destructive, and against the Bible. You can't justify it by saying "at least it's not jewish!" Porn is still porn and the harm it causes to an individual is well-documented and proved.

>>581468

Yes, porn made by capturing humans in the flesh is reprehensible beyond doubt, and the reasons are well known. Those reasons don't apply to the product of an artist's fantasy. I'm saying that if one wants to condemn drawn porn one must use different reasons because the regular ones just don't apply.

>>581462

>the bible says it wrong

Are you referencing Exodus 20:4?

>>581345

>>581340

>porn is bad for your mind and demotivated you

Porn is all it took to demotivated you, huh?

For me it's the state that enables our perpetual enslavement to treasonous scum of the state that are destroying our families through the public school system pushing feminism, the family court and child protective services destroying the husband's authority over the family (which includes allowing his daughter to contract with pornographers), and authority over one's self through the enslavement mechanisms of fiat currency.

>>581441

>>581468

>>581473

If only all of this indignation was channeled in the right direction, but alas the church has become a corpse. No wonder people don't give a shit. Christ in 2018 has shitty ambassadors. They complain about the symptom rather than the disease, and they're too cowardly to do anything about it.

there's no masturbating in heaven, protestants

>>581864

Because there's no need to, papist.

>25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.

Mark 12

>30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

Matthew 22

>>582097

>be founded by Jesus

>endure two millennia

>be founded by fat german heretic on the loo

>disintegrate in a cloud of hilarity after a couple of centuries

Really activates your almonds

>>580087

>When our Christian brothers become more in tune with natural law, MGTOW will just be known as that movement hat spearheaded an awakening to the rudiments of biblical Christianity.

>The civil government is destroying marriage. If the appeal that women who initiate the majority of divorces via extortion is removed, then he problem will correct itself.

It's interesting how MGTOW provokes resistance literally everywhere, regardless of where you look.

MGTOW was my way to Christianity. It started with rejecting fornication, rejecting the modern western lifestyle based on materialism. Accepting Jesus Christ is just the logical conclusion.

Interestingly avoiding or rejecting women was never needed. After choosing a lean lifestyle with low involvement in degenerate society, women avoid you anyway.

>>582324

>women avoid you anyway.

Until they try to spy out your liberty using the state #metoo

>>582267

>Papists

>endure two millennia

>The church is founded by fat german heretic on the loo

Let me guess, you think the ex-How To Be Christian YT channel had valid points, and that the RCC is a lighthouse of Christian conservationism, yet the Vatican is increasing accepting liberal theology.

>>579989

based

>>579992

Most of the MGTOW movement is not about being celibate. Instead they use porn, hookers, one night stands if they can get them, and probably sex dolls/robots soon if not already. Also they are incredibly obsessed with women and how horrible they are for people who have made the decision no to have relationships with them. It's like vegetarians spending all their time ranting about meat, lesbians ranting about men, etc. Why focus so much on what you don't like? They need to have a positive thing to focus their energy on (like Christ) instead of ranting about women.

>>581301

Scripture is the argument, man. No adultery. Not only is it in the Commandments, Christ even says himself that looking at women lustfully constitutes adultery.

>>580807

If you can't voluntarily give up masturbation and you're deadset on not marrying, at least be man enough to castrate yourself like Origen.

>>580908

Who actually pays for porn though?

>>596273

Ads help indirectly pay for porn. Also the sort of person who becomes seriously addicted to porn will pay for it directly. Trust me ;_;

Fuck the pope. Fuckin Dagon-ass mother fucker.

Migtoe is not Christian! If you feel called to marriage but are too anxious about gender relations to take a step towards it, you're not trusting in God and are just giving up hope!

>>596279

Hmm, they pay for the site if you're streaming it I guess. but do nothing to compensate the people actually producing the porn. Not that that makes it okay to watch.

>>580807

Absolute heresy, I sincerely hope you are trolling.

>>579992

MGTOW is extremely selfish and arrogant, as well as resentful. MGTOW is not living for God, it is living for yourself. St. Paul and those others the OP mentioned would not put a dumb label on it, they would just go with God, period.

>>579989

Peter was married.

Bible says bishops should be husband of a wife.

Jesus knew he'd die early, it wouldn't be right to marry and leave a widow behind.

Be fruitful and multiply. He who finds a good wife has treasure with the Lord.

>>596376

>Jesus knew he'd die early, it wouldn't be right to marry and leave a widow behind.

Heresy. He left no wife nor no children because this was not what He was sent by His Father to do; additionally, by virtue of Our Lord's celibacy, you cannot claim it is a sin to be celibate.

>Bible says bishops should be husband of a wife.

It was discussing trying to find gentiles they could properly induct into the priest-hood.

>Be fruitful and multiply. He who finds a good wife has treasure with the Lord.

As opposed to He whom does not? Then, did Christ sin?

I wouldnt advice mgtow on you people. Youll end up to jerking off to obscure porn and spending money lots of money to it.

>>596272

>>596338

>>596265

If there was someone worth marrying, I would do that instead of pornography. Pornography is a sin, so is lying. It would be better, I suppose, if I didn't have lust. But I do. So it is my flesh that sins, not I. One day I will have a glorified body.

This weird nofap approach is for the birds.

>>596878

>choose to sin

>it's ok, I will be in heaven

anon, I…

>>596924

>>596927

>>596910

Romans 7, 1 John 3:9.

I ought to have a wife, however Satan through the agency of the state as a function of generational capitulation stole her from me. Where's my say in it all? It's not there. You've been sold by your fathers. You can be a slave, I'm not a slave.

>>597312

>Jesus died for my sins

>so I don't need to repent for my sins xD

Anon, PLEASE

>>597312

>Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

You're assigning the blame for your personal habitual, unrepentant serious sins of sexual immorality to the government. King David was a murderer and an adulterer but was a "man after God's heart" because he was repentant. Meanwhile, Saul also did a bunch of really bad stuff but was unrepentant and prideful and got possessed by a bunch of demons.

It's one thing to struggle with repenting from a habitual sin and to ask for God's mercy, but your attitude is all wrong. Dis not de way my bruddah.

>>597324

>>597319

Oh I'm not denying that they're sins. Jesus paid for them. I'm lamenting over the greater evils that most Christians, yourselves included, see it fit to overlook. My sins are between me and God.

>>597340

>If your brother sins, go and show him his fault in private; if he listens to you, you have won your brother. But if he does not listen to you, take one or two more with you, so that by the mouth of two or three witnesses every fact may be confirmed.

Fapping makes you selfish and focused on your own pleasure, when being a Christian is about learning how to be self-giving. Self-restraint is an important virtue to learn and you're not doing yourself any favors by fapping. You're also being very prideful in being totally unrepentant, totally neglecting responsibility for your own actions, and saying things like "you can be a slave" when fapping actually makes *you* the slave to sin and animalistic lust.

>>597353

Our flesh is the slave to sin. That's why we need a savior.

>>597340

>I'm lamenting over the greater evils that most Christians, yourselves included, see it fit to overlook.

What a poor argument. You may as well ask Christ what business sin is of His.

>>597461

Please explain.

>>597529

All sin must be condemned, we must be as perfect as Our Father is perfect. But, you know as well as I do sexual immorality is one of those sins that can prevent us from inheriting the Kingdom of Heaven. You must fight it, not give in to it.

>>597535

Once we get saved our flesh stops sinning? Not biblical.