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c035ce No.578849

Ok, so this topic came up during discussion amongst family members yesterday. My grandmother believed that all the descendants of Ham had been cursed, migrated to Africa, and that's where African slavery came from. She asked what my perspective was, and I pointed out that it only says Canaan was cursed in the Bible, which ties into their conquering later on. Now I have seen at least one perspective in which every non-European/Semetic race is a "Hamite," but I doubt that's the consensus.

So which is it? Was she wrong, I wrong, or were we both dead wrong?

46dc42 No.578884

>>578849

So, Noah had one black son? How progressive of him to be race-mixing!


ba1f6e No.578886

>>578884

Ham blackened with a curse.

when the Jews do race mixing they want bloodline was cursed.


cc7205 No.578889

>>578849

Check the Table of Nations. Only some of his descendants migrated to Africa, others spread throughout the Middle East. The African Hamites are nearly entirely descended from Hams son Cush. The curse laid upon him by Noah was "Cursed be Ham and cursed be *Canaan*", not Hams other sons. The Canaanites were cursed, not the Cushites. Your grandmother might be a crypto-Mormon, I'm sorry to say.


22cdec No.578890

To my knowledge, Japheth fathered the peoples of Europe and Asia, Shem fathered the Semites, and Ham fathered the rest.


cc7205 No.578891

>>578886

>Current year

>Being Mormon


72475c No.578918

>>578891

Mormon or not there is some truth to what he’s saying. When the jews push for race mixing it’s because they want to “curse” you.


cc7205 No.578919

>>578918

Yes, but black Africans bearing the curse of Canaan/mark of Cain/what-have-you comes from extrabiblical autistic fan fiction.


71fc0d No.578977

>>578849

This theory never made sense. Egypt is repeatedly called the land of Ham in the OT. Egypt however wasn't populated with negroes in the earliest times. There are steles depicting Asiatics distinct from Egyptians in Beni Hasan around the twelfth dynasty in Egypt, and in the tomb of Sethos I are found Egyptian and negroid Nubian types together (labelled as such in the heiroglyphics above). The 25th dynasty itself was an invasion of Egypt by those same people from the south. And the Egyptians are consistently shown with a different appearance and facial features from these groups when they are shown, very similar to how they appear today.

With this fact in mind, how much sense does it make to suggest that, within just a few hundred years of Noah's flood, that each of these people groups emerged from his three sons? And furthermore that their immediate offspring kept their bloodlines fully separate while all this happened, despite the further relation that the people remained together until Babel. The only coherent explanation is that these other races being depicted on ancient Egyptian steles, weren't descended from Noah. Now as for whether it's the mark of Cain, that would certainly explain a lot more, considering that Cain was driven into exile back in Genesis 4:14.

>Now I have seen at least one perspective in which every non-European/Semetic race is a "Hamite," but I doubt that's the consensus.

Nowadays, most people don't know what to think. That's why you usually don't hear too much about this subject. There are a few preconceived notions upon which people will usually agree on with some amount of uneasiness toward either the Biblical account, or toward some of the early evidence and questions that necessarily arise from this.


cf61e1 No.578990

>>578849

It's not PC, but negroids are Hamites (cursed with slavery), Indo-European caucasoids are Japhethites (dwelling in the tent of Shem = grafted in to Israel as the Jews were cast off), and Jews and Arabs are Shemites. Not sure about asian Mongoloids, there seems to be differing opinions on them. Look up "Table of Nations" for more information.


e06787 No.579071

>>578886

>Ham blackened with a curse.

I feel like lactose intolerance is the real curse here.


c035ce No.579465

File: 8604bc8d8da7806⋯.jpg (569.57 KB, 892x1539, 892:1539, Possible Hamites.jpg)

File: fae9be8e5713d52⋯.jpg (202.45 KB, 506x676, 253:338, Tukana Hamites.jpg)

Should also mention that she probably got onto this discussion after thumbing through some of my hominid books I got for Christmas. I think she also suggested that some of the beings depicted within might've been descended from Ham, with their primitive features being the result of the curse. How heretical would that be?

She's a Baptist by the way.


71fc0d No.579489

>>579465

>How heretical would that be?

I'll be honest with you fam, because I think you want to know. I go to a Baptist church as well and most people don't want to talk about this stuff except when we go over it in Genesis, because most people are personally against implying anything that might be construed as racist. So we usually don't take the time go into this much detail or dispense opinions on it. Which is ok, because this is known as doubtful disputations. Just don't question what is said in the word of God. I don't, but I probably wouldn't take the chance to bring this up in person with anyone, and I don't expect to be asked anytime soon. Because why even give an occasion for striving.


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c035ce No.579553

>>579489

>because most people are personally against implying anything that might be construed as racist

That seems like a good idea, considering the last guy that tried it:

>The descendants of Ham were marked especially for secular service to mankind. Indeed they were to be 'servants of servants,' that is 'servants extraordinary!' Although only Canaan is mentioned specifically (possibly because the branch of Ham's family through Canaan would later come into most direct contact with Israel), the whole family of Ham is in view. The prophecy is worldwide in scope and, since Shem and Japheth are covered, all Ham's descendants must be also. These include all nations which are neither Semitic nor Japhetic. Thus, all of the earth's 'colored' races,–yellow, red, brown, and black–essentially the Afro-Asian group of peoples, including the American Indians–are possibly Hamitic in origin and included within the scope of the Canaanitic prophecy, as well as the Egyptians, Sumerians, Hittites, and Phoenicians of antiquity.

Now it goes on about their "purpose" in society, but I feel like that strays on the side of a caste system.


02876b No.580549

File: f43496d09595d9c⋯.jpg (48.9 KB, 960x558, 160:93, 14494790_10207366002129758….jpg)

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I still don't get what these are meant to be in the Biblical worldview. So many conflicting accounts, each with their own arbitrary criteria to fill.


71fc0d No.580563

>>580549

Those are either cheaply manufactured shaped skulls meant to fit a tiny bone fragment or they are beasts of the field. And going a step further, why do you keep bothering people to give you an answer instead of just weighing the evidence that you consider the most valid for yourself and coming to a conclusion? You clearly have a lot of trust in whoever is making these displays, so then why are you not likewise satisfied with their provided explanations for them as well?

Anything that the Bible isn't directly talking about won't always have a uniform answer, and this is probably because it's not actually important. Well, fossil displays might become important in life for someone if you are fishing for a reason to reject the Biblical worldview. That's the only explanation I can think of.


71fc0d No.580566

>>580563

And just for reference, he's created several threads on this not too long ago. His posts are pretty distinctive


d230fd No.580581

>>580566

>>580563

>just for reference

if you've been lurking for longer than a week you know the guy, it's about as distinctive as a tripfag.




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