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931317 No.573122

Do you think this man's assessment of the fossil record of man was accurate and/or well-constructed, or was he off in quite a few places?

a6ea19 No.573154

File: 425fb7c06310387⋯.jpg (69.5 KB, 960x720, 4:3, human-variation.jpg)

>>573122

Very good video, quite enjoyed it. My only concern is whether there was enough time/populace to create enough genetic diversity since Noah to account for the record.

If all members of the homo genus can be considered descendants of Adam, then it lines up nicely with the traces of interbreeding found in non-Africans with neanderthals.


931317 No.573161

File: adb0270d84a0fa5⋯.png (634.67 KB, 863x1031, 863:1031, NalSed.png)

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File: 0479de58549c130⋯.jpg (46.32 KB, 576x569, 576:569, 6 hab.jpg)

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>>573154

Any concerns over sediba and the other small-brained forms being grouped with man? I've seen quite a bit of the opposition he was talking about, and I can see where it comes from.


ccdc07 No.573166

Beasts of the field


a6ea19 No.573169

>>573161

Small brains? I don't find that concerning. Take for instance that a Chihuahua is considered the same species as a Great Dane, yet massively differ in size.


931317 No.573171

File: 0c482ed3ee4cb42⋯.jpg (557.26 KB, 1571x692, 1571:692, Which are Which.jpg)

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>>573169

But couldn't one use that argue that genus pan is human as well?


931317 No.573174

File: b43590333dfb4c7⋯.jpg (55.77 KB, 685x282, 685:282, 1-s2.0-S0047248416301385-g….jpg)

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Just found some supplemental material from a (non-creationist) paper claiming that sediba's humanlike features are actually the result of its immaturity (it's an adolescent after all). Unfortunately, only the abstract's available. So this is all I could get.


a6ea19 No.573175

>>573171

You could since there's no hard boundaries here.

In the scope of the video it showed clusters of related specimens, ordered by similarity of characteristics. If a specimen falls outside of a certain cluster, it is *unlikely* it is closely related to the specimens in that cluster. Since pan falls outside the cluster which belongs to homo sapiens, it is unlikely that they are closely related to us.

In the christian worldview as you know, human has a rigorous definition of being in the bloodline of Adam. The question remaining then is could chimpanzees have descended from Adam and therefore be considered human? I would say no (and the clusters highly suggest as such), but proving this definitively without conventional dating techniques is no easy task.


931317 No.573177

>>573175

Well the amount of variability present in his model seems to present the possibility of such, at least to me. Then there's the issue of what Adam and Eve more resembled. Were they more like us, the robust humans, or the small-brained forms that keep cropping up?




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