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>>571081

Learn everything about everything, from the maker of everything.

heaven is one thing and paradise is another

I think that being in heaven is living in the presence of God so you don't need or want anything else. I know it sounds boring but it's not.

The early paradise will be reconstructed with elevated bodies and better spiritual natures. Doesn't mean you cant suffer or die.

>>571084

*earthly

>>571081

Talking to Hitler-sama~!

>>571082

This too.

>>571084

> I know it sounds boring but it's not.

ya

we're already in God's presence since he's omnipresent and the kingdom of heaven is already here since it's in us.

>>571084

>Doesn't mean you cant suffer or die.

Please explain?

>>571089

>we're already in God's presence since he's omnipresent and the kingdom of heaven is already here since it's in us.

Anon, please.

If God is everywhere how come there can be items that are "blessed"? God is equally in each one of them!

The answer is that God's omnipresence doesn't do what you think it does, otherwise people in earth and hell would not even suffer.

>>571081

Know everything about God

Create things with God

Debate God

Worship God

There are infinite things to do since God is infinite

>>571091

well, the paradise or the garden is a idealized state of nature where everything behaves as the Creator wanted in the first place. And it was good. To me it doesn't discard the necessities of a corporeal body (food, shelter, etc).

But, the Lord says that you can't die after the second reincarnation so in reality I'm not sure.

>>571084

Wrong. No suffering or death.

>>571098

*first resurrection

The second dead may be referred only to the gehenna. So you can die physically but not spirituall. I'm not sure at all.

>>571100

second death comes after the judgement at the end of the world for those who reject God and his Son and Holy Spirit. It refers to gehenna in the sense that the eternal fire of it annihilates the soul (your being/existence), so you do die spiritually, too.

>>571105

Weeping and gnashing of teeth, where the worm dieth not. Reality is terrifying, my friend.

>>571106

reality is terrifying indeed, including the prospect of annihilation when one considers the alternative. Eternal concious torment, however, is even more terrifying I agree, having spent nights weeping contemplating and fearing that it is a possibility that any soul would have to bear it. But from what I've seen so far ECT is neither biblical nor does it make sense. Annihilationism on the other hand fits the opposite of that. I am not saying I 100% know for sure what's on the otherside for the unrepentant, I don't think scripture is says enough about it clearly for anyone to, but I tell you I'm going with what is both biblical and makes sense in what I've come across so far.

polite sage for off topic

>>571108

If suffering is the product of death then it only makes sense that eternal death would result in eternal suffering, my reply to you was no less off-topic than your reply to these posts:

>>571100

>>571098

However I think I came off as preachy and holier-than-thou in my posts perhaps and I apologise for it. Believe me, this very night I have already failed to resist temptation and I'll leave it at that rather than elucidate and provoke impure actions in others. Unless you want me to clarify that is. Though, more to the point of the thread, I would say that I have no idea what I would do if I were in Heaven, I'm far more concerned with the fear of not making into the gates than how I would share in eternity. I should think that God knows what is best for us and will direct us in every aspect.

"The hidden wisdom of God which we teach in our mysteries is the wisdom that God predestined to be for our glory before the ages began. It is a wisdom that none of the masters of this age have ever known, or they would not have crucified the Lord of Glory. We teach what Scripture calls: The things that no eye has seen and no ear has heard, things beyond the mind of man, all that God has prepared for those who love Him."

1st Corinthians 2:7-9 TJB

>>571118

nah dw anon I didn't take it as a holier than thau attitude, and point on the non-saged posts. No doubt half the reason I replied other anon was to bait a response like yours though, having posted in the relevant threads about this issue before but not getting any replies for discussion. But this ain't the thread for that discussion either, alas.

If the Bible is true, I'll probably be burning in Hell for eternity.

>>571295

You still have time to escape the fire

>>571081

>how are you gonna spend your eternal time in heaven?

I'm going to start by creating Tamriel in full scale.

>>571318

>even in heaven one cannot escape shit taste

I weep but I know my tears are meaningless

Actually we probably will spend eternity on new earth and new jerusalem. Not in Heaven.

>>571081

Common misconception is that we spend eternity in heaven.

The resurrection would be on the New Earth after the everything is purified with fire.

>how are you gonna spend your eternal time in heaven Paradise?

First, I think we should understand the type of bodies we will possess in the post-judgement resurrection.

Paul gives us an idea of this in 1 Corinthians 15.42-44

<So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown a perishable body, it is raised an imperishable body

>>571091

We wont be able to suffer pain because we will possess impassibility we physically wont be able to feel pain.

The "God-mode" cheat code will be enabled.

<it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power;

We also won't be able to fatigue and have agility.

Basically a "99999+" stamina boost on your character. Go anywhere you want superhero stuff.

< it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body

Out go the laws of the natural world.

Gravity and physics is utterly BTFO'd and i guess faster-than light travel. on our bodies.

>how are you gonna spend your eternal time in heaven?

Hopefully exploring the infinite universe.

>>571318

^ basically this

Find a planet that looks like Nirn and you'll see me in The Cloud District.

>>571095

>The answer is that God's omnipresence doesn't do what you think it does, otherwise people in earth and hell would not even suffer.

suffering is very transient, not a big deal

>>571097

>debate God

do you think we could convince him to let us play video games in heaven? Cause that would be fun

>>571318

But Todd, there isn't going to be money in Heaven

Seriously, skyrim is trash are you a normalfag?

>>571344

>faster-than light travel

That's already a possibility.

>>571373

<faster-than light travel

>That's already a possibility.

You miss-quoted me.

I said, "faster-than light travel on our bodies."

Not in a spaceship, but spiritually traveling anywhere in an instant using our bodies

im a sound guy so i'd probably sperg out about all the new things to hear, as well as try to wrap my head around the fact that i made it in

I don't think there is a sense of time in Heaven. You turn towards God and you see the Beauty of Beauties and gaze into it wonderfully for all eternity, your soul having reached the same wavelength as God's. I don't think it's like anything we could possibly conceive of.

>>571320

>>571367

What's your problem?

>>571318

I'm going to create coldharbour and invade your work called """realm"""

>>571500

*So called

I despise autocorrect

>>571500

That's demonic. We're talking about creation, which means making infinite beautiful world. I don't know why you want to spite me.